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False. You yourself said that women shouldn’t be made to compete with men because of physiology. If they can’t compete and you change the rules of the game for them to be able to play themselves…. that is literally lowering the bar.
Show me 10 women in the entire NCAA who can dunk a basketball. I can show you men on a single team who can.
What I’m saying though is more complex…. Lowering the bar isn’t always a bad thing. Especially back when very few women were able to go to college…. Sometimes lowering the bar just means more people have an opportunity to achieve to the greatest level they can. Setting the bar to incentivize people to put in maximum effort is better than making a whole bunch of people sit on the sideline because they can’t clear your stupid bar.
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The NBA and FIFA do… they subsidize the WNBA and the Women’s World Cup. Same goes for the Olympics.
Sounds like you need to write a sternly worded letter to the NCAA and Rodger Goodell that we need a lower tier Football product where women (or unathletic males) could actually compete. You can title it DEI in football.
The NFL absolutely has had one of the longest standing DEI policies in place. It's called the Rooney Rule. Why did this rule need to be enacted? Because over 53% of the players in the NFL are African American and like 10% of the head coaches. The rule ensures black coaches are given an opportunity to at least interview and be heard. So guys like Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin are all DEI hires and have great records of success. I don't know if you remember, but back in the 80s you could count on 1 finger the number of black starting QBs in the NFL. Now the percentage is more reflective of the league and it has also changed the game for the better.
In the NBA Gregg Popovich hired Becky Hammon as an assistant coach on his staff in San Antonio. Why? Because anyone who knew her and her knowledge of the game knows she is one of the brightest basketball minds on the planet. It's stupid she hasn't gotten a HC gig in the NBA when you see teams recycling guys like Doc Rivers who I am convinced couldn't coach himself out of a paper bag even with a great collection of players (even as a Celtics fan, I am more and more convinced he got lucky with the 1 title in Boston). NFL teams are hiring women coaches and analysts understanding they have valuable contributions.
The fact you instantly think a black person or women is hired over a white man is because of DEI is ludicrous and tells us more about the hate you harbor than anything else. I can assure you as someone who reviews job applications and resumes to find instructors for community college classes, nothing that identifies the individual as male/female, Black/white/Asian etc. comes through on the applications I see. Sure there are some signs and you can guess anything about the person but for what I do, if the person does not have some specific skills I'm looking for, I am on to the next person. I have never felt the push or need to hire anyone due to race, ethnicity, gender, pronouns, etc.
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Yah, that’s because collective bargaining tends to help eradicate predjudice in the workplace.
Right to work made it easier for employers to discriminate.
Are you making an analogy that asserts that black coaches are inherently less talented than white coaches?
He was asserting that teams that take black QBs take a less talented player.
JP Morgan, Microsoft, and Costco are pretty good competitors in their fields and continue to be committed to their DEI programs. 98% of Costco shareholders just voted in favor of management's continuing to do so. Since then AG's from 19 states (OK, TX, GA...the usuals) have written Costco, a private sector company, demanding that it give up its DEI program.
What this tells me that is no one knows what DEI is anymore and it's just become a knee jerk cultural divide issue. People see DEI and regardless of how it's implemented or what it consists of, or its results are,....it's WOKE, it's liberal, it needs to be killed. Smart companies know that just hiring white guys with degrees is not a successful employment strategy When I talk to my conservative, anti-DEI friends about their views, they claim that DEI operates and has a set of goals which make no sense. This country has not been well served by inflaming divisions between people based on concepts that people can't even define. Marxism, communism, socialism all get thrown around by people who can't define them other than they think it's bad and hurtful. DEI is just the latest.
The US owes a lot to a college drop out (Bill Gartes) and the son of Syrian immigrant with no college degrees (Steve Jobs) who lacked the degrees and background needed to succeed in Trump's anti-DEI world.
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Trumps DEI in action. Darren Beattie has been appointed acting undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, a senior State Department official confirmed. Beattie, who will manage the department’s messaging and relationship with foreign populations, has a history of incendiary comments, including an October 2024 tweet in which he wrote: “Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work. Unfortunately, our entire national ideology is predicated on coddling the feelings of women and minorities, and demoralizing competent white men.”
What this tells me that is no one knows what DEI is anymore and it's just become a knee jerk cultural divide issue. People see DEI and regardless of how it's implemented or what it consists of, or its results are,....it's WOKE, it's liberal, it needs to be killed. Smart companies know that just hiring white guys with degrees is not a successful employment strategy When I talk to my conservative, anti-DEI friends about their views, they claim that DEI operates and has a set of goals which make no sense. This country has not been well served by inflaming divisions between people based on concepts that people can't even define. Marxism, communism, socialism all get thrown around by people who can't define them other than they think it's bad and hurtful. DEI is just the latest.
The US owes a lot to a college drop out (Bill Gartes) and the son of Syrian immigrant with no college degrees (Steve Jobs) who lacked the degrees and background needed to succeed in Trump's anti-DEI world.
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Trumps DEI in action. Darren Beattie has been appointed acting undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, a senior State Department official confirmed. Beattie, who will manage the department’s messaging and relationship with foreign populations, has a history of incendiary comments, including an October 2024 tweet in which he wrote: “Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work. Unfortunately, our entire national ideology is predicated on coddling the feelings of women and minorities, and demoralizing competent white men.”
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Those AGs screaming about it are just wasting tax payer money. Unless they have proof that Costoc is hiring based on race or gender, it's not going anywhere. Plus, it's a private company and can set any hiring qualifications it wants. The NFL won a similar suit against Maurice Clarett when Clarett challenged the NFLs rule that a player had to be at least 3 years post high school to be eligible for the draft.
And Costco's recent stock price surge and the fact that it has seen a pretty dramatic membership growth since their announcement of keeping their DEI program indicate that the public agrees. All the while Wal Mart and Target announced they were discontinuing their DEI policies have seen their stock values drop and Target's revenue is down. Consumers know what's best way more than the government does...it's interesting how limited government and limited government regulation on business used to be a hallmark of the Republican party and they keep coming up with more and more ways to control everything.
dei is filling quotas, not getting the best.
equal opportunity does not quarentee equal result.
I think we are hurting headlong into economic disaster with the tariff bull 
e. And we have a President modeling bullying behavior to a T. Everything I have learned in life suggests bad times are coming unless the idea that "presidents have less impact than anyone thinks" is really true.
Yet he did win. Just like Biden did win. So I can only bitch so much.
e. And we have a President modeling bullying behavior to a T. Everything I have learned in life suggests bad times are coming unless the idea that "presidents have less impact than anyone thinks" is really true.Yet he did win. Just like Biden did win. So I can only bitch so much.
You really don't understand DEI. The only reason EEO and DEI were necessary is because non-white people were being judged by the color of their skin and not their qualifications or character. Dear God could you be any more ignorant and obtuse.
DEI is a very broad term and fairly innocuous term. DEI gets contentions (and racists at times) when it is used to openly discriminate and exclude people solely based on race .
www.foxbusiness.com
Consulting giant PwC discourages White, Asian students from applying to career program
Consulting and accounting firm PwC prohibits White and Asian students from applying to attend its Career Preview conference for potential future hires.
Fox is not the news source to use for the overall opinion on DEI. They use testimonial type of evidence,(PWC) which is probably the worst of the worst sample of DEI. It is scare tactic stuff that you are posting.DEI is a very broad term and fairly innocuous term. DEI gets contentions (and racists at times) when it is used to openly discriminate and exclude people solely based on race .
Consulting giant PwC discourages White, Asian students from applying to career program
Consulting and accounting firm PwC prohibits White and Asian students from applying to attend its Career Preview conference for potential future hires.
Act now, repair later tactics of Musk is usually not the best mode of action for government actions.
WTH are you talking about? They posted the damn questionnaire from PWC for applicants.
As I correctly stated, DEI is fairly innocuous. The concept gets dicey in its applications as does any program where the color of one’s skin is factored into hiring or acceptance decisions. Again…my issue isn’t with the concept of DEI but lies in the implementation by bad or over zealous actors. Really not sure how anyone can disagree with that statement
They stated an underrepresented minority.(which many Asians do not fit within, for example) when using this pwc form for a single job fair. Yes could have found a better way to state it. But using PWC and this single job fair is similar to using testimonial evidence which is not representative of the whole.
Sorry. Which parts of diversity, equity, or inclusion do you not support? Please be specific. Would you prefer that our workforce or our military was less diverse? Less equitable? Or Less Inclusive?DEI is a very broad term and fairly innocuous term. DEI gets contentions (and racists at times) when it is used to openly discriminate and exclude people solely based on race .
Consulting giant PwC discourages White, Asian students from applying to career program
Consulting and accounting firm PwC prohibits White and Asian students from applying to attend its Career Preview conference for potential future hires.
Which socioeconomic groups do you want to exclude and why? Maybe you think our military should go back to only letting white(ish) people in? Or maybe you’re of the opinion they should go back even further and only let rich kids buy their officer’s commissions like was the British custom… They hated DEI in those days too…
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I don’t support using race as the primary factor in hiring or college acceptance. The question then becomes how much weight, if any, do you give to a person’s skin tone when making hiring or acceptance decisions. A question which is very subjective.
Do you support using race as the primary factor in hiring and college acceptance?
I wouldn’t hire someone simply because they are part of a certain societal group especially if they weren’t meritous. But I if I’m hiring between a person of a group that I’m more comfortable with and one that I’m less familiar with, I will try to mentally acknowledge that I may have conscious or unconscious bias in favor of the one I’m more comfortable with and I will make an extra effort to judge the candidates logically and equitably.
If the candidates are truly equal in most ways or they both present roughly equal pros and cons, I may choose the more diverse party just to diversify the workplace and try to prevent homogeneity which can become recursive when the business makes future hires.
We’ve all heard about law firms that only hire from the top x number of law schools. Is that really leading to the most talented and capable law firm possible? Probably not. Theres probably a significant number of very talented lawyers who are locked out of those coveted positions because they weren’t born to the right parents.
But they don't,(whether they realize it or not) which is the reason DEI exists. Most people can't recognize their biases, and will go with homogenous non fear factor if they don't have something there to guide them the other way.
So you would support removing the race box from all college applications thus eliminating any inherent bias someone going through the applications might possess?
I believe I made my position pretty clear on DEI above. I do believe the left overstates subconscious bias in 2025 of those who do a majority of hiring in this country. But that is subjective and we will agree to disageee
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1) yes
2) You have a lot more faith in people doing the hiring than they merit, IMO. Yes, the left will always overstate subconscious bias. In turn the right will generally understate subconscious bias.
I don't believe the race box is part of the general application but like most application processes, things like race, age, gender are tracked for demographic purposes (and reporting). I know those questions exist on the employment application at my current workplace but they do not show up when you print or download the applicant's application/resume/supporting documentation.
My female Asian PCP is the best doctor I've ever had.
My wife's preferred OBGYN was a gay man.
The doctor who did my wrist surgery was an Indian immigrant.
Again, you don't understand DEI at all. You don't understand EEO/AA...you are just racist and see someone's skin color or gender and assume that they are hired because of that versus the actuality that they had an opportunity to interview because of their qualifications and not kept from interviewing because of their skin color or gender.
Stop watching Fox News or getting your info from Trump and Friends. Crack a book and read how the fascists came to power in Germany and who they targeted first (it wasn't the Jews and the Jews weren't the only people targeted and rounded up and extinguished. Start with 1930s Germany and the despair created by the Great Depression. Except right now Trump and Musk are trying to create their own Depression and crash, make people like you hate all the groups they hate to have your rage focused in those places while Trump, Musk, and their oligarch friends by up all the stock at super low prices to consolidate the wealth even more. (Play straight out of Hitler's Nazi playbook...look at how the Nazi's consolidated wealth in Germany within the party).
