Fire him TOMORROW!

[goldenhurricane2]

Most of them think we are all mentally ill fools.

then they may not be familiar with message boards… our board is incredibly tame (sans a few morons - who would be considered normal on most other boards). Take a look at an SEC board or even the board of the team who beat us last night: MUCH more intense:

But I get your point. There’s more to operating an athletic department, let alone a university, than what most of us consider when we’re unhappy about the results we’re seeing on the field/court. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating, but it’s good to keep in mind.

We all want to see success sustained. Maybe one day we’ll figure it out.

 

[drboobay]

then they may not be familiar with message boards… our board is incredibly tame (sans a few morons - who would be considered normal on most other boards). Take a look at an SEC board or even the board of the team who beat us last night: MUCH more intense:

But I get your point. There’s more to operating an athletic department, let alone a university, than what most of us consider when we’re unhappy about the results we’re seeing on the field/court. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating, but it’s good to keep in mind.

We all want to see success sustained. Maybe one day we’ll figure it out.

You need success before sustaining it!

Anyway, any rational person can expect and live with a bad season every now and then.

 

[TU1NNJ]

I agree about being respectful in every communication. My point about reaching out to Justin and Carson is based on a recent interaction, I heard the comment, we haven’t heard from that many fans with a concern about the football program. In the absence of hearing our/your disappointment with performance, officials will make up their own conclusions.

 

[astonmartin708]

I agree about being respectful in every communication. My point about reaching out to Justin and Carson is based on a recent interaction, I heard the comment, we haven’t heard from that many fans with a concern about the football program. In the absence of hearing our/your disappointment with performance, officials will make up their own conclusions.

Evidently they don’t pay close attention to their fan base anymore. Just the ones who think things are going swimmingly because they treat them nice during their interactions and tell them how appreciative they are of the GPA improvements.

Probably has something to do with the mediocre attendance as well.

 

[TU1NNJ]

Evidently they don’t pay that much attention to their fan base anymore. Just the ones who think things are going swimmingly because they treat them nice and tell them how appreciative they are of the GPA improvements.

I believe they do pay attention to fans, but a respectful email adds more value than anonymous posts on a message board. Some posts on message boards and X are not from our fans but those that enjoy stirring a pot.

 

[drboobay]

I have said things out loud. Respectfully I think and cognizant of my role being a fan and not a collegiate athletics expert.

But fan is short for fanatic right? If a fan does not care who else will?

Fortune favors the brave.

 

[astonmartin708]

I have said things out loud. Respectfully I think and cognizant of my role being a fan and not a collegiate athletics expert.

But fan is short for fanatic right? If a fan does not care who else will?

Fortune favors the brave.

I think the Tulsa fan base though small, is that probably more well equipped to advise on a path to success than many other fanbases. A healthy portion of folks on an OU or OSU message board never went to the University. Of those that did, fewer still were intimately involved with the athletics program.

On this board I would be willing to bet that a healthy proportion of us were inside or closely around the athletics department. Another healthy portion are donors or fans who have been around since Jesus was a pup and could probably teach classes on what worked and what didn’t work historically.

Of course we frequently disagree on perspective, but when we do occasionally reach relative consensus I think that should carry a bit of weight.

 

[aTUfan]

I think the Tulsa fan base though small, is that probably more well equipped to advise on a path to success than many other fanbases. A healthy portion of folks on an OU or OSU message board never went to the University. Of those that did, fewer still were intimately involved with the athletics program.

On this board I would be willing to bet that a healthy proportion of us were inside or closely around the athletics department. Another healthy portion are donors or fans who have been around since Jesus was a pup and could probably teach classes on what worked and what didn’t work historically.

Of course we frequently disagree on perspective, but when we do occasionally reach relative consensus I think that should carry a bit of weight.

always see lots of OU and OSU hat at our games.

 

[cmullinsTU]

Temple fires their HC after a win. Playing ECU close shouldn’t be a reason to keep KW another season

 

[TUMU]

Temple fires their HC after a win. Playing ECU close shouldn’t be a reason to keep KW another season

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Brennan Marion is from Pennsylvania.
Just saying.

 

[loca2874]

Temple fires their HC after a win. Playing ECU close shouldn’t be a reason to keep KW another season

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I hate to keep harping on this but he will be here regardless of anyones feelings. He is on year 2 of a 5 year contract that pays him about 2 Mil a year. Temple is a Public University graduating almost 9,000 a year and Tulsa is a Private University graduating about 3500 a year. Temple gets funded by the state and is in an area that can get donors a lot larger than Tulsa. So unless you got a side piece that wants to pony up about 5 million in cash to fire this guy, then you need hop on the train for at least one more year.

 

[dougheffking]

Temple fires their HC after a win. Playing ECU close shouldn’t be a reason to keep KW another season

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If we bring Wilson back for another season I will

I hate to keep harping on this but he will be here regardless of anyones feelings. He is on year 2 of a 5 year contract that pays him about 2 Mil a year. Temple is a Public University graduating almost 9,000 a year and Tulsa is a Private University graduating about 3500 a year. Temple gets funded by the state and is in an area that can get donors a lot larger than Tulsa. So unless you got a side piece that wants to pony up about 5 million in cash to fire this guy, then you need hop on the train for at least one more year.

false. Wilson will be gone

 

['Cane-man]

I hate to keep harping on this but he will be here regardless of anyones feelings. He is on year 2 of a 5 year contract that pays him about 2 Mil a year. Temple is a Public University graduating almost 9,000 a year and Tulsa is a Private University graduating about 3500 a year. Temple gets funded by the state and is in an area that can get donors a lot larger than Tulsa. So unless you got a side piece that wants to pony up about 5 million in cash to fire this guy, then you need hop on the train for at least one more year.

How do we know he's making 2M per year? I doubt if anyone besides TU, Wilson and his accountant know the real figure. If it is 2M, then I'm really shaking my head over such dumbassery.

 

[loca2874]

How do we know he's making 2M per year? I doubt if anyone besides TU, Wilson and his accountant know the real figure. If it is 2M, then I'm really shaking my head over such dumbassery.

That is what was reported when he was hired

 

[TulsaGrad07]

I thought I read he was making $1.6/yr
Tulsa needs to think outside the box and be the first university to offer an incentive based pay structure.
Your salary is contingent on how many wins you get each season. Why should it be any different than a commission-based job?

 

[aTUfan]

if he stays, get out of the way of the mass exedus; players, fans and credibility

 

[dougheffking]

if he stays, get out of the way of the mass exedus; players, fans and credibility

I don’t think he’s staying, but if he does I’ll be done going into games

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Temple fires their HC after a win. Playing ECU close shouldn’t be a reason to keep KW another season

I don’t think a close game guaranteed him another season, but it may have bought him a couple more weeks.

 

[drboobay]

To me the big question is whether 5 -7 might save him.

It would be an improved record. I would normally say yes. But there seem to be team morale issues and PR issues.

3-9 or 4-8 and I would bet he is gone.

 

[loca2874]

I thought I read he was making $1.6/yr
Tulsa needs to think outside the box and be the first university to offer an incentive based pay structure.
Your salary is contingent on how many wins you get each season. Why should it be any different than a commission-based job?

Kevin Wilson’s Salary and Contract in 2024​

The contract is somewhat straightforward, as he’s paid $1.9 million, a $500,000 increase from his salary as the offensive coordinator of the Ohio State Buckeyes and more than he made in all but one of his six years as the head coach of the Indiana Hoosiers.

What Is Kevin Wilson’s Buyout?​

Unfortunately, Tulsa has kept a tight lid on Wilson’s exact contract details. We can make a strong educated guess as to the approximate amount of money the Golden Hurricane would owe Wilson if he’s ultimately fired.

His initial salary was reported as $1.9 million and potentially renegotiated periodically. The industry norm for prematurely fired coaches is typically around 50-75% of their remaining base salary. That would make his buyout between $3.8 and $5.7 million if he were fired prior to the end of the 2024 season.

If he were fired after the year, that buyout number would drop to between $2.85 and $4.275 million in the next year. If the Golden Hurricane were to fire him after next season, that buyout would be between $1.9 and $2.7 million.

 

[HuffyCane]

What someone makes, what is guaranteed, what is reported as base and incentives, and what it takes to buy out/terminate can all be very very different.

 

[loca2874]

So his contract is for 1.9 mil. that translates to 2 mil as I stated earlier. lol. I am sure there is some incentives and some restructuring stuff in there but it is what it is. The school wanted to try to by a bigger name coach and just like the Minimum wage keep going up in stupid amounts so does how much it cost to buy a coach.

So again unless someone has a sugar momma or sugar daddy (I am not judging) that will pony up 5 mil, then this dude will be here next year.

Now if next year goes south as well, then I expect that buyout to be significantly lower and then they make the change. If it is true though that the school wanted the academics and the conduct cleaned up as the first priority, then he will definately be here next year.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I thought I read he was making $1.6/yr
Tulsa needs to think outside the box and be the first university to offer an incentive based pay structure.
Your salary is contingent on how many wins you get each season. Why should it be any different than a commission-based job?

Gee, I bet nobody's ever thought of that !

Let's see, I would think the field you are in can't compete if schools make their salary almost fully contingent based, or other schools would be doing so. You are showing your ignorance with this comment.

 

[AvsRick]

Comical that anyone thinks TU will fire him during the season. When have they ever done that in the modern era? In any major sport. I agree that he well may be here next year too. The only reason he may not be, to me anyway, is the attitude he seems to display publicly toward most everyone. If he wouldnt do that, he would be here next year, regardless of record. That is just the TU way.

 

[jimlonergan]

I hate to keep harping on this but he will be here regardless of anyones feelings. He is on year 2 of a 5 year contract that pays him about 2 Mil a year. Temple is a Public University graduating almost 9,000 a year and Tulsa is a Private University graduating about 3500 a year. Temple gets funded by the state and is in an area that can get donors a lot larger than Tulsa. So unless you got a side piece that wants to pony up about 5 million in cash to fire this guy, then you need hop on the train for at least one more year.

Agree on him staying, but Tulsa typically graduates about 750 undergraduates and approx. 350 grad and doctoral students per year

 

[I.I.]

I am one that thinks we hit a home run with our AD hire. I don’t think he will let the football program languish for very long. And I suspect he and Carson are definitely on the same page.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Comical that anyone thinks TU will fire him during the season. When have they ever done that in the modern era? In any major sport. I agree that he well may be here next year too. The only reason he may not be, to me anyway, is the attitude he seems to display publicly toward most everyone. If he wouldnt do that, he would be here next year, regardless of record. That is just the TU way.

Wasn’t Dave Rader in the modern era?

 

[Tulsafanzz]

Comical that anyone thinks TU will fire him during the season. When have they ever done that in the modern era? In any major sport. I agree that he well may be here next year too. The only reason he may not be, to me anyway, is the attitude he seems to display publicly toward most everyone. If he wouldnt do that, he would be here next year, regardless of record. That is just the TU way.

Dave Rader was fired with 4 games left in the 1999 season. I don’t know if they will do it again, but it’s happened before.

My guess is after the season ends. I really hope a change is made then.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Another conference-mate firing their coach.

 

[PiKA1000]

Another conference-mate firing their coach.

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For going 4-8 last season (including beating us) and 2-8 this season. Didn’t make it two full seasons.

Meanwhile…….crickets from our admin.

 

[HuffyCane]

Another conference-mate firing their coach.

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Good coach. Bad fit. Let’s say the same thing and move on.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Another one bites the dust

 

[TUGrad06]

And here we are not getting any interviews underway while the competition does.

 

[HuffyCane]

I wouldn’t be so quick to conclude he makes $1.9 btw. It might be that after every incentive. Maybe.

 

[TULSARISING]

I thought I read he was making $1.6/yr
Tulsa needs to think outside the box and be the first university to offer an incentive based pay structure.
Your salary is contingent on how many wins you get each season. Why should it be any different than a commission-based job?

I was talking about this with a family member the other day , it’s insane how much college coaches make and how dumb it is for universities to make such bad contracts

 

[HuffyCane]

Actually as a percentage of funds raised, some coaches are underpaid. If I’m the procuring cause of $100 million in donations, being paid $2 million is underpayment. And some coaches can do that. Graham helped raise far more than his $1million salary. I’m not sure what the policy is going forward, but one of the reasons TU sports is in the condition it’s in is that previous leadership forbade the athletic staff from raising money except when authorized.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Actually as a percentage of funds raised, some coaches are underpaid. If I’m the procuring cause of $100 million in donations, being paid $2 million is underpayment. And some coaches can do that. Graham helped raise far more than his $1million salary. I’m not sure what the policy is going forward, but one of the reasons TU sports is in the condition it’s in is that previous leadership forbade the athletic staff from raising money except when authorized.

And I'm sure that some of those people inhibiting the freedom of donations keep their mouths shut a lot more, when someone like Wilson is recrutiting a higher academic level football player.(some that got ivy league offers) It doesn't hurt that he cleaned up the performance of existing players either. That makes it a lot easier to take donations towards athletics with less grumblings from the ivory tower. That was probably the level he was truly a bridge coach, as you have stated how he might be considered.

 

[HuffyCane]

Yes. Exactly. Many of those people are gone. Substantive reform buys you time. But it’s a results oriented business. You have to win too. And you have to think about college football in terms of decades and centuries.

Carson has been in the Middle East negotiating educational exchange agreements with an alum who is building the second tallest building in the world. You think he cares right now about whether we go 5-7 and keep who we want on the roster? Probably but it’s not a huge focus. But I would think, I don’t know, that he cares more about TU football being stronger than today 10 years from now and finding and funding people to handle that.

 

[TU4ever2]

Yes. Exactly. Many of those people are gone. Substantive reform buys you time. But it’s a results oriented business. You have to win too. And you have to think about college football in terms of decades and centuries.

Carson has been in the Middle East negotiating educational exchange agreements with an alum who is building the second tallest building in the world. You think he cares right now about whether we go 5-7 and keep who we want on the roster? Probably but it’s not a huge focus. But I would think, I don’t know, that he cares more about TU football being stronger than today 10 years from now and finding and funding people to handle that.

Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

Go back to the conference boards.