Youth soccer club

[lawpoke87]

TSC has always treated the girls as an afterthought imo. We asked for more training as well and was told no. I even met with the coaching staff and director to express my opinion that the current training schedule for the girls wasn’t sufficient to compete in the Texas ECNL league. I was shut down. Never mind the boys were getting extra trainings. I was simply asking for the girls to have that same opportunity. No dice.

Playing in Texas further opened my eyes to the amount of training required to compete in one of the most difficult youth leagues in the country. The difference in the amount of training those girls playing in Dallas get compared to most of their Tulsa counterparts is vast. That needs to change at WSA

Not sure why TSC showed all the girls who signed college ships under the ECNL platform on their “GA is great” video 🤷‍♂️. Seemed like a contradiction to the rest of the presentation.

 

[Honkv]

TSC has always treated the girls as an afterthought imo. We asked for more training as well and was told no. I even met with the coaching staff and director to express my opinion that the current training schedule for the girls wasn’t sufficient to compete in the Texas ECNL league. I was shut down. Never mind the boys were getting extra trainings. I was simply asking for the girls to have that same opportunity. No dice.

Playing in Texas further opened my eyes to the amount of training required to compete in one of the most difficult youth leagues in the country. The difference in the amount of training those girls playing in Dallas get compared to most of their Tulsa counterparts is vast. That needs to change at WSA

Not sure why TSC showed all the girls who signed college ships under the ECNL platform on their “GA is great” video 🤷‍♂️. Seemed like a contradiction to the rest of the presentation.

I agree. One of my biggest beefs was how little resources it seemed that the girls side got. Unless you were the 13s, but that's a whole different thing.

So far, it seems like WSA / the 12s are taking it to heart. They're already training and scrimmaging.

 

[ScheelSC]

We weren't ECNL last year so I can't speak for what they did. Last year we practiced twice a week and TSC offered PDA (skills training) and PDL (Small sided games) so you could train 4 nights a week if you wanted. This year we are 3 nights a week and PDA and PDL if you choose. Still 4 nights but you would double up a night. Nothing but love for the other 2013's teams but all the girls love Nathan it's a close group and extremely talented. How will GA work out? TBD. How will ECNL work out for my friends at WSA (Probably really really poor). How will Blitz like playing WSA's 3rd teams? Soccer is a mess in Tulsa

 

[lawpoke87]

We weren't ECNL last year so I can't speak for what they did. Last year we practiced twice a week and TSC offered PDA (skills training) and PDL (Small sided games) so you could train 4 nights a week if you wanted. This year we are 3 nights a week and PDA and PDL if you choose. Still 4 nights but you would double up a night. Nothing but love for the other 2013's teams but all the girls love Nathan it's a close group and extremely talented. How will GA work out? TBD. How will ECNL work out for my friends at WSA (Probably really really poor). How will Blitz like playing WSA's 3rd teams? Soccer is a mess in Tulsa

Good to hear. That’s considerably more training opportunities than were available for NL girls when we were there. We even asked to attend a boys training with the coach’s permission. You can imagine how that went over. Sounds like they are heading the right direction. I do believe losing ECNL opened some eyes over there and likely forced changes within the club.

 

[ScheelSC]

I agree. One of my biggest beefs was how little resources it seemed that the girls side got. Unless you were the 13s, but that's a whole different thing.

So far, it seems like WSA / the 12s are taking it to heart. They're already training and scrimmaging.

WSA had some good 12’s when we were there that Doug Melton (who I really like) brought over when he left TSC with the other coaches.

 

[lawpoke87]

Not sure I’ve ever seen as many summer soccer programs for academy age players from the number of clubs as I’m seeing this summer. Lots of training opportunities for those players.

Speaking of…..curious what everyone is doing this summer soccer wise? We have over 20 trainings and/or games over the next three weeks heading into playoffs beginning June 24. In July we will concentrate and strength and speed training with some small groups training here in Tulsa mixed in. Then everything starts back up the first of August. Very little breaks in competitive club soccer

 

[ScheelSC]

Not sure I’ve ever seen as many summer soccer programs for academy age players from the number of clubs as I’m seeing this summer. Lots of training opportunities for those players.

Speaking of…..curious what everyone is doing this summer soccer wise? We have over 20 trainings and/or games over the next three weeks heading into playoffs beginning June 24. In July we will concentrate and strength and speed training with some small groups training here in Tulsa mixed in. Then everything starts back up the first of August. Very little breaks in competitive club soccer

My daughter trains with club/team twice a week. A lot of the team is trying 2 mornings with Leo. Went to TSC's PDA yesterday (decent turnout ) Worked on "Finishing" both with feet and head. Futsal Nationals in July. Work out at Genesis.

 

[Soccer7583]

20 for your daughter individually or her team has that many sessions?

 

[Soccer7583]

Not sure I’ve ever seen as many summer soccer programs for academy age players from the number of clubs as I’m seeing this summer. Lots of training opportunities for those players.

Speaking of…..curious what everyone is doing this summer soccer wise? We have over 20 trainings and/or games over the next three weeks heading into playoffs beginning June 24. In July we will concentrate and strength and speed training with some small groups training here in Tulsa mixed in. Then everything starts back up the first of August. Very little breaks in competitive club soccer

As a team I’m not sure of the schedule but I think leading up to nationals we will start 3-4 training sessions per week for the next few weeks and I’m sure scrimmages will be sprinkled in. Individually my daughter will add 3 days per week of weight training for HS soccer and we will
add PT as time becomes available.

 

[lawpoke87]

My daughter trains with club/team twice a week. A lot of the team is trying 2 mornings with Leo. Went to TSC's PDA yesterday (decent turnout ) Worked on "Finishing" both with feet and head. Futsal Nationals in July. Work out at Genesis.

My daughter really enjoyed futsal with Leo. Went to nationals and worlds. Fun times. Leo is a rockstar in the futsal world

 

[lawpoke87]

20 for your daughter individually or her team has that many sessions?

Team trainings. It’s actually 23 beginning today now that I went back and counted. I believe it’s 19 trainings and 4 games/scrimmages. Now some of those will get rained out looking at the latest forecasts. Still a lot though

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Leo is great. I love his intensity, and he is hilarious. He coached my son’s team for a bit.

My wife thinks soccer never stops. We are essentially training all summer minimum 2 times a week. TSC offers more but she doesn't want to go more.

probably doing a 3 v3, indoor and possibly futsal. We would like it if we could get in a scrimmage or two.

In talking with the futsal peeps it sounds like they will be having only futsal for the u10s. That would be fine to play two years up if they aren't great. even the top 17 teams we could run with. We would probably lose but we could give them a game.

 

[ScheelSC]

My daughter really enjoyed futsal with Leo. Went to nationals and worlds. Fun times. Leo is a rockstar in the futsal world

Leo coaches the futsal team. He is intense and detail oriented.

 

[TU_BLA]

TSC has always treated the girls as an afterthought imo. We asked for more training as well and was told no. I even met with the coaching staff and director to express my opinion that the current training schedule for the girls wasn’t sufficient to compete in the Texas ECNL league. I was shut down. Never mind the boys were getting extra trainings. I was simply asking for the girls to have that same opportunity. No dice.

Playing in Texas further opened my eyes to the amount of training required to compete in one of the most difficult youth leagues in the country. The difference in the amount of training those girls playing in Dallas get compared to most of their Tulsa counterparts is vast. That needs to change at WSA

Not sure why TSC showed all the girls who signed college ships under the ECNL platform on their “GA is great” video 🤷‍♂️. Seemed like a contradiction to the rest of the presentation.

I thought it was interesting that TSC spun their move to GA as one they desired to make vs one they were forced to make because they were dropped from ECNL. HILARIOUS

 

[lawpoke87]

I thought it was interesting that TSC spun their move to GA as one they desired to make vs one they were forced to make because they were dropped from ECNL. HILARIOUS

They took the same path when they were dropped from ECRL to RL-Frontier. Their approach was predictable. I would assume they do something similar when they lose boys ECNL next year.

 

[TU_BLA]

Leo is great. I love his intensity, and he is hilarious. He coached my son’s team for a bit.

My wife thinks soccer never stops. We are essentially training all summer minimum 2 times a week. TSC offers more but she doesn't want to go more.

probably doing a 3 v3, indoor and possibly futsal. We would like it if we could get in a scrimmage or two.

In talking with the futsal peeps it sounds like they will be having only futsal for the u10s. That would be fine to play two years up if they aren't great. even the top 17 teams we could run with. We would probably lose but we could give them a game.

Speaking of games and things to do. Owasso has a small sided tournament that is always a lot of fun the 1st week in July. It's for charity so if you can throw a team together, I'd advise doing it.

Also, Special Olympics always hosts the soccer competition and usually also up in Owasso. If your kids school sponsors a team, they always need "partner players". Usually teams are comprised of partner players and Special Olympians termed "athletes". I refereed the event last year and as you get into the older (HS) groups, the partner players truly understand what the event is about and they push and encourage the athletes, make sure they are the ones involved and scoring, etc. Sometimes the younger groups need to be reminded. It is an event I anticipate being a part of as long as they will have me. So much fun, so inspiring. I disallowed a goal because I didn't like the partner dribbling through everyone...apparently this is a common call at this event when they lose sight...and I've been told to gently remind them why they're there.

 

[Honkv]

Not sure I’ve ever seen as many summer soccer programs for academy age players from the number of clubs as I’m seeing this summer. Lots of training opportunities for those players.

Speaking of…..curious what everyone is doing this summer soccer wise? We have over 20 trainings and/or games over the next three weeks heading into playoffs beginning June 24. In July we will concentrate and strength and speed training with some small groups training here in Tulsa mixed in. Then everything starts back up the first of August. Very little breaks in competitive club soccer

Multiple trainings per week with WSA, plus whatever individual stuff she gets up to plus track camp that’s 3 days a week for a month.

 

[bordare721]

Best luck…let us know where you guys are playing this coming season and keep us apprised of your daughter’s journey as her game continues to grow. Soccer can be so rewarding for parents and their children.

We found a good fit with WSA—Waylon’s 2014s, and we’ve been really happy with the experience.

We were hoping to find two things:

1. a positive, player-centered culture, and
2. an environment that would stretch and support her development.

Culture: Waylon sets a thoughtful tone—firm but encouraging. He seems to have a good read on the players and strikes a nice balance between accountability and care. He brings a sense of humor and perspective too, which keeps the environment positive while still challenging. The girls work hard, and the vibe among the parents has been great—supportive, open, and invested in each other’s kids.

I’ve had some great conversations with other families around things like sports psychology and team culture, which was important to us. The team regularly cross-trains with the 2013s and brings in players from other parts of the club, which has made things feel really integrated. They’ve already scrimmaged with top local teams from three different clubs since the season ended, which has been a great way to stay sharp.

One of the parents, who’s a track coach, even pulled together a summer plyos and injury-prevention plan, which we really appreciated—especially given the conversations on this board around injury risk for girls. The team welcomed our daughter right away, and the parent group helped us feel at home quickly too.

Challenging Environment: This group is pre-ECNL U12, but they’ll be playing up in the ECNL-RL Texas conference next year. They were invited to SuperCopa and will be competing against some of the strongest teams in the country next week. It’s a high-level environment, and we’re hopeful it’ll help our daughter keep growing—both by being challenged and by contributing to the team’s progress.

All in all, it’s felt like a great fit: competitive but grounded, with a strong emphasis on development and team culture. We feel lucky to be part of it.

 

[bordare721]

I remember distinctly when I started to have semi serious thoughts about college, and where I might want to go. I was 11(2nd half of the year & 12( 1st half) when those thoughts began. It might not be too early to have very basic exploratory conversations with her pointed in that direction. These weren't when people began talking to me about college, but when I began semi serious thought about the issue.

Thank you for the thoughtful advice. I’ve started to have some light, exploratory conversations with her along those lines. She’s mentioned that she’d like to keep playing through high school and possibly into college, so we’re beginning to consider what that path might look like—for her, and for our family. Still very early, but it’s been great to start planting those seeds.

 

[ScheelSC]

We found a good fit with WSA—Waylon’s 2014s, and we’ve been really happy with the experience.

We were hoping to find two things:

1. a positive, player-centered culture, and
2. an environment that would stretch and support her development.

Culture: Waylon sets a thoughtful tone—firm but encouraging. He seems to have a good read on the players and strikes a nice balance between accountability and care. He brings a sense of humor and perspective too, which keeps the environment positive while still challenging. The girls work hard, and the vibe among the parents has been great—supportive, open, and invested in each other’s kids.

I’ve had some great conversations with other families around things like sports psychology and team culture, which was important to us. The team regularly cross-trains with the 2013s and brings in players from other parts of the club, which has made things feel really integrated. They’ve already scrimmaged with top local teams from three different clubs since the season ended, which has been a great way to stay sharp.

One of the parents, who’s a track coach, even pulled together a summer plyos and injury-prevention plan, which we really appreciated—especially given the conversations on this board around injury risk for girls. The team welcomed our daughter right away, and the parent group helped us feel at home quickly too.

Challenging Environment: This group is pre-ECNL U12, but they’ll be playing up in the ECNL-RL Texas conference next year. They were invited to SuperCopa and will be competing against some of the strongest teams in the country next week. It’s a high-level environment, and we’re hopeful it’ll help our daughter keep growing—both by being challenged and by contributing to the team’s progress.

All in all, it’s felt like a great fit: competitive but grounded, with a strong emphasis on development and team culture. We feel lucky to be part of it.

Waylon is a good one. That team is really good and is going to benefit next year from the age group change. (hurt the 13's even more) We went to SuperCopa last year, It was awesome. Texas RL playing up a level will be tough.

 

[Honkv]

We found a good fit with WSA—Waylon’s 2014s, and we’ve been really happy with the experience.

We were hoping to find two things:

1. a positive, player-centered culture, and
2. an environment that would stretch and support her development.

Culture: Waylon sets a thoughtful tone—firm but encouraging. He seems to have a good read on the players and strikes a nice balance between accountability and care. He brings a sense of humor and perspective too, which keeps the environment positive while still challenging. The girls work hard, and the vibe among the parents has been great—supportive, open, and invested in each other’s kids.

I’ve had some great conversations with other families around things like sports psychology and team culture, which was important to us. The team regularly cross-trains with the 2013s and brings in players from other parts of the club, which has made things feel really integrated. They’ve already scrimmaged with top local teams from three different clubs since the season ended, which has been a great way to stay sharp.

One of the parents, who’s a track coach, even pulled together a summer plyos and injury-prevention plan, which we really appreciated—especially given the conversations on this board around injury risk for girls. The team welcomed our daughter right away, and the parent group helped us feel at home quickly too.

Challenging Environment: This group is pre-ECNL U12, but they’ll be playing up in the ECNL-RL Texas conference next year. They were invited to SuperCopa and will be competing against some of the strongest teams in the country next week. It’s a high-level environment, and we’re hopeful it’ll help our daughter keep growing—both by being challenged and by contributing to the team’s progress.

All in all, it’s felt like a great fit: competitive but grounded, with a strong emphasis on development and team culture. We feel lucky to be part of it.

Waylon is a great dude. He has incredible energy.

 

[lawpoke87]

We found a good fit with WSA—Waylon’s 2014s, and we’ve been really happy with the experience.

We were hoping to find two things:

1. a positive, player-centered culture, and
2. an environment that would stretch and support her development.

Culture: Waylon sets a thoughtful tone—firm but encouraging. He seems to have a good read on the players and strikes a nice balance between accountability and care. He brings a sense of humor and perspective too, which keeps the environment positive while still challenging. The girls work hard, and the vibe among the parents has been great—supportive, open, and invested in each other’s kids.

I’ve had some great conversations with other families around things like sports psychology and team culture, which was important to us. The team regularly cross-trains with the 2013s and brings in players from other parts of the club, which has made things feel really integrated. They’ve already scrimmaged with top local teams from three different clubs since the season ended, which has been a great way to stay sharp.

One of the parents, who’s a track coach, even pulled together a summer plyos and injury-prevention plan, which we really appreciated—especially given the conversations on this board around injury risk for girls. The team welcomed our daughter right away, and the parent group helped us feel at home quickly too.

Challenging Environment: This group is pre-ECNL U12, but they’ll be playing up in the ECNL-RL Texas conference next year. They were invited to SuperCopa and will be competing against some of the strongest teams in the country next week. It’s a high-level environment, and we’re hopeful it’ll help our daughter keep growing—both by being challenged and by contributing to the team’s progress.

All in all, it’s felt like a great fit: competitive but grounded, with a strong emphasis on development and team culture. We feel lucky to be part of it.

Congrats on Super Copa. Such a great experience for those girls. I really like your draw for pool play. Expect you to make the top bracket in the playoff.

I really like the idea of playing up a year in RL. Several of the Dallas area clubs have been doing this for years with a lot of success. Playing RL will get those girls a taste of competitive soccer without being thrown into Texas League NL.

 

[TU_BLA]

Multiple trainings per week with WSA, plus whatever individual stuff she gets up to plus track camp that’s 3 days a week for a month.

Who's she doing the track camp with?

 

[Honkv]

Who's she doing the track camp with?

Jenks

 

[TU_BLA]

Jenks

My son did a speed and sprinting camp with Joe and Shawna Dial years ago when they were still the track coaches at ORU. It was phenomenal and my son came away with some really good tips to help his speed on the soccer field. Their son is the track coach at Union now and anyone who has been following knows Union's track program has been outstanding the last 2 years since he's taken over. Didn't know if the Dial's were involved but if you see them offering a camp it really will benefit not just from a track standpoint but just an overall technique standpoint.

 

[Honkv]

My son did a speed and sprinting camp with Joe and Shawna Dial years ago when they were still the track coaches at ORU. It was phenomenal and my son came away with some really good tips to help his speed on the soccer field. Their son is the track coach at Union now and anyone who has been following knows Union's track program has been outstanding the last 2 years since he's taken over. Didn't know if the Dial's were involved but if you see them offering a camp it really will benefit not just from a track standpoint but just an overall technique standpoint.

That’s awesome! She really digs track and I like that it helps her fitness.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

I have other things about Waylon but I don't know the guy.

It's interesting how he bounced his daughter off a really, really good TSC 2014 team. It will be curious if he gets a pair and cuts more than half of his team if the TSC '14s move over to the NL group.

That team is actually better than the WSA team.

 

[lawpoke87]

I have other things about Waylon but I don't know the guy.

It's interesting how he bounced his daughter off a really, really good TSC 2014 team. It will be curious if he gets a pair and cuts more than half of his team if the TSC '14s move over to the NL group.

That team is actually better than the WSA team.

1) The TSC 14s are not better than Waylon’s group. In fact I don’t believe it’s really that close as the teams are now constructed.

2). WSA will take the best players to NL just like they did in every age group this year. Current players who didn’t make the NL teams stayed in RL. The 14s will be a bit different in that they will expand the roster now they’re playing 11v11. I would expect very few cuts if those girls should switch clubs because of roster expansion and the talent level of the WSA 14s.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

1) The TSC 14s are not better than Waylon’s group. In fact I don’t believe it’s really that close as the teams are now constructed.

2). WSA will take the best players to NL just like they did in every age group this year. Current players who didn’t make the NL teams stayed in RL. The 14s will be a bit different in that they will expand the roster now they’re playing 11v11. I would expect very few cuts if those girls should switch clubs because of roster expansion and the talent level of the WSA 14s.

That means they won't combine and the 14s will suck.


That team is better. Since Leo took over they have lost virtually zero games in Texas and OEFC and them trade games

 

[lawpoke87]

That means they won't combine and the 14s will suck.


That team is better. Since Leo took over they have lost virtually zero games in Texas and OEFC and them trade games

Waylon beat them twice this past March. I watched one of those games and I didn’t think the teams were particularly close. That TSC team isn’t ranked in the top 150 nationally. I believe WSA is around 60. Fairly large gap there.

As I said above, WSA is going to take the best girls and put them on NL. They only kept 2 of the WSA girls who were on their 2010 RL team this past season. The rest were sent back to RL. WSA needs to win and they know it. I think they will struggle across the board (the 09s have a chance to finish above .500) this upcoming season but they did take the steps to put the best girls on the pitch imo.

I am a big Leo fan fwiw

 

[Honkv]

Leo is great.

 

[bordare721]

Waylon is a good one. That team is really good and is going to benefit next year from the age group change. (hurt the 13's even more) We went to SuperCopa last year, It was awesome. Texas RL playing up a level will be tough.

My daughter loves to travel, spend time with her friends, and, of course, play soccer—so we’re really looking forward to the SuperCopa experience. We feel incredibly grateful for the timing and the opportunity.

I’m also glad we’re playing up a level in Texas RL, even knowing it’ll be a challenging path. I was proud (and honestly a bit surprised) by how my daughter held her own last year against strong competition. Even in tough losses, she never got discouraged. If anything, the pressure brought her growth areas into sharper focus and motivated her to level up. As long as the team culture stays positive, I’m confident she’ll continue to grow and enjoy the journey.

She previously played with two of the girls on your daughter’s team—we’ll definitely be cheering for y’all from the sidelines. They’re both great players and come from wonderful families.

 

[bordare721]

Waylon is a great dude. He has incredible energy.

100% agree. My daughter may leave practice tired physically, but she is mentally and emotionally filled up every time.

 

[bordare721]

Congrats on Super Copa. Such a great experience for those girls. I really like your draw for pool play. Expect you to make the top bracket in the playoff.

I really like the idea of playing up a year in RL. Several of the Dallas area clubs have been doing this for years with a lot of success. Playing RL will get those girls a taste of competitive soccer without being thrown into Texas League NL.

Thanks for the well wishes--we’re new to all of this and absolutely loving the experience. Neither my wife nor I grew up playing sports, so it’s been a whole new world for us. Honestly, I’ve learned a lot just by reading this board. I can see why people are so passionate about it--the highs and lows really do make for a compelling story and a meaningful learning journey.

I also really appreciate the chance to get a feel for the competition level in Texas RL before making the jump to Texas NL. I don’t take the insights shared here lightly, and I understand there are strong opinions about whether a Tulsa team can truly compete. I’m not experienced enough in the sport to weigh in on that debate, but I do believe the effort to build--and/or rebuild--the Tulsa youth soccer community is worthwhile, regardless of the outcome.

 

[bordare721]

I have other things about Waylon but I don't know the guy.

It's interesting how he bounced his daughter off a really, really good TSC 2014 team. It will be curious if he gets a pair and cuts more than half of his team if the TSC '14s move over to the NL group.

That team is actually better than the WSA team.

I had a great conversation with Leo while we were exploring options for where my daughter might play. We talked about sports psychology--specifically the concept of the zone of proximal development. I had been thinking more about the qualitative side, and he helped me consider some of the quantitative dimensions as I thought through where her development could be best supported. I really appreciated his passion for youth development, and I share the hope that we can help re-energize the Tulsa soccer community--especially for those leaders like him who may have grown a bit cynical or discouraged over time.

Unfortunately, due to weather and the timing of tryouts, we weren’t able to attend the TSC ’14 training sessions. We did, however, join one of the ’13 sessions and really enjoyed getting to see Nathan coach. Since we haven’t had a chance to scrimmage with the ’14s directly, I can’t speak firsthand about their level of competition--but I’d definitely welcome the opportunity for a match-up.

 

[bordare721]

As I said above, WSA is going to take the best girls and put them on NL. They only kept 2 of the WSA girls who were on their 2010 RL team this past season. The rest were sent back to RL. WSA needs to win and they know it.

Your comments align with our experience. This group doesn’t seem driven by politics or ego--rather, they genuinely welcome players who are curious about the team and what it has to offer. The standard in both training and games is high, however it’s matched by an incredibly supportive and encouraging culture.

I say that from firsthand experience: we didn’t know a single player or parent before tryouts, and we’ve felt welcomed from day one.

 

[ScheelSC]

Waylon beat them twice this past March. I watched one of those games and I didn’t think the teams were particularly close. That TSC team isn’t ranked in the top 150 nationally. I believe WSA is around 60. Fairly large gap there.

As I said above, WSA is going to take the best girls and put them on NL. They only kept 2 of the WSA girls who were on their 2010 RL team this past season. The rest were sent back to RL. WSA needs to win and they know it. I think they will struggle across the board (the 09s have a chance to finish above .500) this upcoming season but they did take the steps to put the best girls on the pitch imo.

I am a big Leo fan fwiw

I think you missed some facts here. Those 2 games that WSA won was TSC tournament last Nov. (not March). After that tournament Leo took over as coach of the TSC 14's. That said WSA is still rated way above TSC's but they have only lost 1 game to Energy in PK's since Leo took that team. Also you said WSA took top girls in every age group. They got zero TSC 2013's. and those rating's are TSC #31, WSA #481.

 

[Honkv]

I think you missed some facts here. Those 2 games that WSA won was TSC tournament last Nov. (not March). After that tournament Leo took over as coach of the TSC 14's. That said WSA is still rated way above TSC's but they have only lost 1 game to Energy in PK's since Leo took that team. Also you said WSA took top girls in every age group. They got zero TSC 2013's. and those rating's are TSC #31, WSA #481.

I think the 13s may be the only group that retained all their players.

 

[lawpoke87]

I think you missed some facts here. Those 2 games that WSA won was TSC tournament last Nov. (not March). After that tournament Leo took over as coach of the TSC 14's. That said WSA is still rated way above TSC's but they have only lost 1 game to Energy in PK's since Leo took that team. Also you said WSA took top girls in every age group. They got zero TSC 2013's. and those rating's are TSC #31, WSA #481.

I was referring to current competitive teams only. 2008 to 2012. I wasn’t sure when Leo took over the 2014 group. Hopefully we get a rematch this upcoming season. Like I stated, that TSC 2014 is currently #169. Looking forward to seeing if Leo can improve in that ranking.

TSC’s 2013s are very good. Didn’t mean to imply they weren’t. Hopefully they can make some noise in GA this season. I know Cyps kid is playing for Sting ECNL as a discovery player. Are there others doing the same ?

 

[ScheelSC]

I was referring to current competitive teams only. 2008 to 2012. I wasn’t sure when Leo took over the 2014 group. Hopefully we get a rematch this upcoming season. Like I stated, that TSC 2014 is currently #169. Looking forward to seeing if Leo can improve in that ranking.

TSC’s 2013s are very good. Didn’t mean to imply they weren’t. Hopefully they can make some noise in GA this season. I know Cyps kid is playing for Sting ECNL as a discovery player. Are there others doing the same ?

I believe Rachel is also. WSA’s 14’s are legit. And I’m a big Waylon fan. I don't really consider 06/07 because they are graduating. now it's 13's and up.

Here will be a good judge of Tulsa girls soccer teams. Between ECNL, GA and ECRL how many will have a winning record in league play? Last year WSA RL had 3 teams and TSC NL had 1. Obviously GA is new. The 2 worst TSC 12's 2 wins -55 GD and 08's 0 wins -73 GD. Can WSA improve on these? Did they get enough of the top players? How will GA look? How about facilities? Travel for GA? Oh and age group change coming..... Can you say $hit $how?