Youth soccer club

[lawpoke87]

I would anticipate Greenwood is able to fill two MLS Next teams (#1 and #2) in all age groups. No idea how many OKC kids they will ultimately draw.

Very very few of the NL girls will stay at TSC. They have been attending WSA trainings and many have been attending Energy trainings. WSA should be able to sign those TSC NL girls who don’t go to Energy. Unfortunately, it appears some of the better players are going to Energy.

 

[Honkv]

There were a TON of 10s, 11s, and 12s at the WSA open last night.

 

[lawpoke87]

There were a TON of 10s, 11s, and 12s at the WSA open last night.

Heard that as well. Besides Energy, there’s really nowhere for those girls to go if they want to play top level soccer

 

[Honkv]

Heard that as well. Besides Energy, there’s really nowhere for those girls to go if they want to play top level soccer

The reality is: being able to drive to OKC or tx to play is a privilege that many families don’t have. We couldn’t accommodate that lifestyle and it’s not even about money. Just making it work
logistically would be a nightmare.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

I hate the idea of them going to OKC or Dallas. That is just terrible.

 

[tudirk]

WSA ECNL is going to finish last in almost every age group. Parents will be pissed they are spending $$$ for poor play, poor coaching and poor facilities. The 08's, 12's and 13's will be embarrassingly bad......Not sure what TSC has left to compete in GA, but it puts Blitz playing WSA's 3rd team and TSC's 2nd. Good luck on selling that.......NL Boy's will not be competitive; MLS won't compete with the elite clubs. Watered down market......

 

[lawpoke87]

I hate the idea of them going to OKC or Dallas. That is just terrible.

WSA is going to have to develop trust in the club and Tulsa area soccer starting at the academy level. Barry did a lot of damage to Tulsa youth soccer culminating with the loss of NL at TSC. That damage is going to take some time to rebuild.

Dirk is correct in that the product is going to be really watered down on the boys side. NL boys is now basically the old ECRL teams. The boys talent pool is deeper than the girls but losing the top kids to MLS Next will have a significant effect. I don’t see much of a change on the girls side. Mostly girls just changing uniforms. On the girls side I think the 09s and 11s will be improved. The 08 year is simply devoid of talent. They will remain bad. The 10s will depend on defections to Energy. TSC 12s were bad last year. I think they could be marginally better with a few additions and better coaching.

Dirk is talking about pissed off WSA parents because the quality of the teams. I would be willing to wager the overall record of the 08s, 09s, 10s, 11s and 12s at WSA next season won’t be any worse than the record or those teams at TSC this past year. The positive is a much better run club with better leadership.

Again…it’s going to take time on the girls side. The damage has been done. It cannot be understated how negative the Texas conference ECNL’s attitude was toward TSC over the past few years. There is no quick fix. Moving to WSA was a start imo

 

[Honkv]

WSA ECNL is going to finish last in almost every age group. Parents will be pissed they are spending $$$ for poor play, poor coaching and poor facilities. The 08's, 12's and 13's will be embarrassingly bad......Not sure what TSC has left to compete in GA, but it puts Blitz playing WSA's 3rd team and TSC's 2nd. Good luck on selling that.......NL Boy's will not be competitive; MLS won't compete with the elite clubs. Watered down market......

That's a possibility.

 

[Honkv]

The 12G NL team will absolutely be better. The coaching difference, so far, is already better.

 

[tudirk]

The 12G NL team will absolutely be better. The coaching difference, so far, is already better.

Did the 2 2013's go to WSA to play with the 12's? WSA's 12's finished 9th in RL so there isn't much help from there to compete in ECNL Texas. Coaching? Who is the WSA 12's coach Preston?

 

[Honkv]

Did the 2 2013's go to WSA to play with the 12's? WSA's 12's finished 9th in RL so there isn't much help from there to compete in ECNL Texas. Coaching? Who is the WSA 12's coach Preston?

They did not go to WSA.

Preston is coaching both the NL and RL TX teams this year.

I am optimistic because the player pool for NL this year is larger in Tulsa. There are still some good players that won't be playing on the NL team and that sucks, but we have a more or less consolidated player group for the first time in a long time. I think there's a competitive team there, I just hope WSA finds the mix.

I've said it before: There are good, NL level, players that played at Blitz or WSA because their families could not stand TSC / would not play at TSC. Those players were mixed with players that couldn't play at the NL level.

 

[lawpoke87]

They did not go to WSA.

Preston is coaching both the NL and RL TX teams this year.

I am optimistic because the player pool for NL this year is larger in Tulsa. There are still some good players that won't be playing on the NL team and that sucks, but we have a more or less consolidated player group for the first time in a long time. I think there's a competitive team there, I just hope WSA finds the mix.

I've said it before: There are good, NL level, players that played at Blitz or WSA because their families could not stand TSC / would not play at TSC. Those players were mixed with players that couldn't play at the NL level.

Unless the kid is a freak athlete, the 12s are running out of time to play NL. It gets very difficult to train and play against Frontier conference competition and make that jump to Texas conference NL as a kid gets older. The gap continues to increase.

 

[Honkv]

Unless the kid is a freak athlete, the 12s are running out of time to play NL. It gets very difficult to train and play against Frontier conference competition and make that jump to Texas conference NL as a kid gets older. The gap continues to increase.

I agree.


I'm just saying: This year has more potential.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

They did not go to WSA.

Preston is coaching both the NL and RL TX teams this year.

I am optimistic because the player pool for NL this year is larger in Tulsa. There are still some good players that won't be playing on the NL team and that sucks, but we have a more or less consolidated player group for the first time in a long time. I think there's a competitive team there, I just hope WSA finds the mix.

I've said it before: There are good, NL level, players that played at Blitz or WSA because their families could not stand TSC / would not play at TSC. Those players were mixed with players that couldn't play at the NL level.

WSA is going to have to develop trust in the club and Tulsa area soccer starting at the academy level. Barry did a lot of damage to Tulsa youth soccer culminating with the loss of NL at TSC. That damage is going to take some time to rebuild.

Dirk is correct in that the product is going to be really watered down on the boys side. NL boys is now basically the old ECRL teams. The boys talent pool is deeper than the girls but losing the top kids to MLS Next will have a significant effect. I don’t see much of a change on the girls side. Mostly girls just changing uniforms. On the girls side I think the 09s and 11s will be improved. The 08 year is simply devoid of talent. They will remain bad. The 10s will depend on defections to Energy. TSC 12s were bad last year. I think they could be marginally better with a few additions and better coaching.

Dirk is talking about pissed off WSA parents because the quality of the teams. I would be willing to wager the overall record of the 08s, 09s, 10s, 11s and 12s at WSA next season won’t be any worse than the record or those teams at TSC this past year. The positive is a much better run club with better leadership.

Again…it’s going to take time on the girls side. The damage has been done. It cannot be understated how negative the Texas conference ECNL’s attitude was toward TSC over the past few years. There is no quick fix. Moving to WSA was a start imo

WSA has A LOT of terrible academy teams. A lot. Here and there, they have one or two good academy teams. Overall, they operate in a closed system with many players who play too much Minecraft and smash too many Frijoles. You also must charge people for nine yearly tournaments with 50-100% WSA teams. They don't want their good Hispanic players exposed to the rest of the world, or something that would suggest that there are alternatives to another kind of Jesus not brought to you by a charlatan like Oral Roberts.

#thismessagewasbroughttoyoubydrseuss

 

[lawpoke87]

WSA has A LOT of terrible academy teams. A lot. Here and there, they have one or two good academy teams. Overall, they operate in a closed system with many players who play too much Minecraft and smash too many Frijoles. You also must charge people for nine yearly tournaments with 50-100% WSA teams. They don't want their good Hispanic players exposed to the rest of the world, or something that would suggest that there are alternatives to another kind of Jesus not brought to you by a charlatan like Oral Roberts.

#thismessagewasbroughttoyoubydrseuss

I was talking only about the girls side. I have no knowledge or experience with the boys.

 

[ScheelSC]

Ok, TuDirk talked me into joining this group. Life long TU fan. I have 2013 girl at TSC. I'm the majority owner of Sheels Sports Complex. Let's clear up a few things first.......Barry/Eric have been great to deal with. We try to treat WSA and Blitz equally as well. Greenwood hasn't burned any bridges with us. Fields are not is great shape right now. (need about another month). The Academy league we have is great with most of the local clubs represented. We have the best food in any concessions in the state, we need real bathrooms on the South end. I will always be happy to answer any questions about the complex. I will never talk bad about a club as they all have positives and negatives.

So about the news of the day.....GA for TSC. It is going to make things very difficult for WSA. The 2013's (majority) are planning to stay. (Top 50 team) Blitz has the 2nd best 13's. WSA lost 6-0 to Sting's 4th team. They didn't win a spring game playing 3rd division in Pre ECNL league. I love those kids as my daughter played with them and her best friend still does. They are ranked about 500. It's not fair to those families to travel all over to get killed. Like or hate TSC it doesn't matter GA is a better fit for the Tulsa market. Travel year one may be difficult but both WSA and TSC played all the PRE ECNL games in Dallas so no home games. My kid isn't a great player but she loves it.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Ok, TuDirk talked me into joining this group. Life long TU fan. I have 2013 girl at TSC. I'm the majority owner of Sheels Sports Complex. Let's clear up a few things first.......Barry/Eric have been great to deal with. We try to treat WSA and Blitz equally as well. Greenwood hasn't burned any bridges with us. Fields are not is great shape right now. (need about another month). The Academy league we have is great with most of the local clubs represented. We have the best food in any concessions in the state, we need real bathrooms on the South end. I will always be happy to answer any questions about the complex. I will never talk bad about a club as they all have positives and negatives.

So about the news of the day.....GA for TSC. It is going to make things very difficult for WSA. The 2013's (majority) are planning to stay. (Top 50 team) Blitz has the 2nd best 13's. WSA lost 6-0 to Sting's 4th team. They didn't win a spring game playing 3rd division in Pre ECNL league. I love those kids as my daughter played with them and her best friend still does. They are ranked about 500. It's not fair to those families to travel all over to get killed. Like or hate TSC it doesn't matter GA is a better fit for the Tulsa market. Travel year one may be difficult but both WSA and TSC played all the PRE ECNL games in Dallas so no home games. My kid isn't a great player but she loves it.

Bro, I think it is time to get the hell out of this thread and Tulsa. You said something positive about Barry. You must be a paid shrill.

 

[lawpoke87]

Ok, TuDirk talked me into joining this group. Life long TU fan. I have 2013 girl at TSC. I'm the majority owner of Sheels Sports Complex. Let's clear up a few things first.......Barry/Eric have been great to deal with. We try to treat WSA and Blitz equally as well. Greenwood hasn't burned any bridges with us. Fields are not is great shape right now. (need about another month). The Academy league we have is great with most of the local clubs represented. We have the best food in any concessions in the state, we need real bathrooms on the South end. I will always be happy to answer any questions about the complex. I will never talk bad about a club as they all have positives and negatives.

So about the news of the day.....GA for TSC. It is going to make things very difficult for WSA. The 2013's (majority) are planning to stay. (Top 50 team) Blitz has the 2nd best 13's. WSA lost 6-0 to Sting's 4th team. They didn't win a spring game playing 3rd division in Pre ECNL league. I love those kids as my daughter played with them and her best friend still does. They are ranked about 500. It's not fair to those families to travel all over to get killed. Like or hate TSC it doesn't matter GA is a better fit for the Tulsa market. Travel year one may be difficult but both WSA and TSC played all the PRE ECNL games in Dallas so no home games. My kid isn't a great player but she loves it.

Welcome to the board and thank you for everything you’ve done with that complex. Tulsa soccer desperately needed a quality complex and your group made it happen.

Disagree on GA. The regional GA league is a poor quality league. If you look at the team rankings it is lower than Texas league ECRL. When you add the crazy travel required in that GA league, I’m not sure why it would be an attractive option other than “our kids aren’t good enough to compete in a top league like Texas ECNL”. If Energy can compete in ECNL there is zero reason why a Tulsa based club can’t. Tulsa area soccer needs to get better rather than settle for a league like the local GA one imo. Especially those players who have D1 aspirations.

I’m glad your short experience with Barry has been positive thus far. Hopefully you will be the exception and that experience will continue.

Again…thank you for what you have done for that complex. It is a joy to play there. Good luck to your 13.

 

[ScheelSC]

Welcome to the board and thank you for everything you’ve done with that complex. Tulsa soccer desperately needed a quality complex and your group made it happen.

Disagree on GA. The regional GA league is a poor quality league. If you look at the team rankings it is lower than Texas league ECRL. When you add the crazy travel required in that GA league, I’m not sure why it would be an attractive option other than “our kids aren’t good enough to compete in a top league like Texas ECNL”. If Energy can compete in ECNL there is zero reason why a Tulsa based club can’t. Tulsa area soccer needs to get better rather than settle for a league like the local GA one imo. Especially those players who have D1 aspirations.

I’m glad your short experience with Barry has been positive thus far. Hopefully you will be the exception and that experience will continue.

Again…thank you for what you have done for that complex. It is a joy to play there. Good luck to your 13.

Thanks for the kind words. I would never compare GA to ECNL. Texas ECNL has 4 of the top 7 teams in the US. Tulsa isn't competing with them. OKC Metro is 500k people larger than Tulsa and needs the Tulsa players to compete at the top. It may have been mentioned on here in the 2013's girls Sting is 20 teams deep, Solar 11, FC Dallas 7. If you take all the teams in Tulsa from WSA, TSC and Blitz you get to 9.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Thanks for the kind words. I would never compare GA to ECNL. Texas ECNL has 4 of the top 7 teams in the US. Tulsa isn't competing with them. OKC Metro is 500k people larger than Tulsa and needs the Tulsa players to compete at the top. It may have been mentioned on here in the 2013's girls Sting is 20 teams deep, Solar 11, FC Dallas 7. If you take all the teams in Tulsa from WSA, TSC and Blitz you get to 9.

I have mentioned the size of these clubs a gazillion times, and lawpoke has acknowledged this. There is competition at the highest levels, but we don't have it here or feel it quite as much.

I come from other markets where kids would step on each other's throats to compete for the top teams. Here, that isn't always the case. Parents get pissed off about perceived grievances with the club. I got stories galore.

It seems like identities are being tossed around, though, and word of this board is spreading.

If this gets people on here to learn about the TU soccer team and other sports, great! It amazes me how some people are unaware of TU in our local market. It is even sadder how many people know more about ORU sports than Tulsa. Is it an evangelical thing? It's unfortunate because it's a fraudulent institution.

 

[lawpoke87]

A significant difference and somewhat based on market size is inner club competition.

Let’s break competitive players down into 3 categories:

Elite = US Soccer ID pool, top 250 national, high D1
High Level = lower D1 or high D2
Good = lower D2 or other small college player

In markets like Tulsa, girls in the first two categories are guaranteed NL positions and most girls in the third category are playing NL as well. There’s very little risk for current Tulsa NL players of losing their position on the top team due to the lack of high level players on other teams or clubs. This tends to build complacency among our players.

Now contrast to a market like Dallas. Even some elite players feel pressure to keep their starting NL position. Almost every high level player feels pressure if they made an NL roster. Why…because the depth of the talent pool. There is always other elite or high level players looking for greener pastures at another club. Just the nature of club soccer. Why is this important….because it pushes those players to outside trainings. It pushes those players to watch nutrition. To work on speed and strength. Which results in improving soccer players.

One advantage Energy has received over the past years is Tulsa area soccer players not only increasing their talent pool but pushing the current players there to get better. You become complacent at Energy and a Tulsa player very well might come in and take your place in the starting 11. Fear and competition can do wonders when it comes to pushing an athlete to be their best.

I bring this up because for Tulsa to be successful their kids need to train like their counterparts in other markets. I’ve seen far too many Tulsa area NL players do nothing outside of their 2 or 3 weekly team trainings because their role with team isn’t at risk. I truly believe most local parents (and even coaches) don’t realize the training and emphasis on things like nutrition the players in the bigger markets are doing. We need coaches who push their players to be great and tell them what it takes to get there. Unfortunately, those coaches can at times be somewhat abrasive and run parents the wrong way. Something which doesn’t always go over well in Tulsa.

Keeping the best girls at home in Tulsa would also greatly help as well.

Ok…off my soap box. Good luck to all those kids going through tryouts even though we all know tryouts at the competitive level are a farce

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

A significant difference and somewhat based on market size is inner club competition.

Let’s break competitive players down into 3 categories:

Elite = US Soccer ID pool, top 250 national, high D1
High Level = lower D1 or high D2
Good = lower D2 or other small college player

In markets like Tulsa, girls in the first two categories are guaranteed NL positions and most girls in the third category are playing NL as well. There’s very little risk for current Tulsa NL players of losing their position on the top team due to the lack of high level players on other teams or clubs. This tends to build complacency among our players.

Now contrast to a market like Dallas. Even some elite players feel pressure to keep their starting NL position. Almost every high level player feels pressure if they made an NL roster. Why…because the depth of the talent pool. There is always other elite or high level players looking for greener pastures at another club. Just the nature of club soccer. Why is this important….because it pushes those players to outside trainings. It pushes those players to watch nutrition. To work on speed and strength. Which results in improving soccer players.

One advantage Energy has received over the past years is Tulsa area soccer players not only increasing their talent pool but pushing the current players there to get better. You become complacent at Energy and a Tulsa player very well might come in and take your place in the starting 11. Fear and competition can do wonders when it comes to pushing an athlete to be their best.

I bring this up because for Tulsa to be successful their kids need to train like their counterparts in other markets. I’ve seen far too many Tulsa area NL players do nothing outside of their 2 or 3 weekly team trainings because their role with team isn’t at risk. I truly believe most local parents (and even coaches) don’t realize the training and emphasis on things like nutrition the players in the bigger markets are doing. We need coaches who push their players to be great and tell them what it takes to get there. Unfortunately, those coaches can at times be somewhat abrasive and run parents the wrong way. Something which doesn’t always go over well in Tulsa.

Keeping the best girls at home in Tulsa would also greatly help as well.

Ok…off my soap box. Good luck to all those kids going through tryouts even though we all know tryouts at the competitive level are a farce

From my experience, I could probably say you aren't way off from your assessment of Tulsa.

Can't speak to Dallas but I know 8,000,000 people make things really, really competitive. I have been around many teams a lot, both at the DA and ECNL-NL level for boys and girls. They are good. Tulsa can compete if they are focused and have the talent in the age group. I fundamentally believe that.

 

[lawpoke87]

. Tulsa can compete if they are focused and have the talent in the age group. I fundamentally believe that.

I do as well. Tulsa had three 2010 girls in the initial US Soccer ID pool. All are nationally ranked in the top 175 players in the country. None of them will play in Tulsa this upcoming season. The 2010 group is very talented. Five of the best play in Kansas City, OKC and Dallas. Take those five and add what is here and you’re damn right they could compete. The 07s showed well last year btw.

 

[ScheelSC]

You are talking about the top .5% of the kids going D1. I'm saying there is zero D1 kids on some of these age groups. Let's talk about kids having fun and a passion for the game of soccer. These kids driving 8 hours to Austin to lose 2 games 0-8, 0-8 aren't having fun. It's a disservice to these kids, it doesn't matter if it's TSC or WSA's badge. on their shirt to go play these games. If a kid is a national team type kid they are going to leave Tulsa regardless. ECNL Texas is like the SEC some schools (Vanderbilt) can't compete. I feel sorry for the WSA kids this year that have to go play ECNL. They won't have fun. The parents will spend thousands of dollars for the kids to be miserable. Is GA the answer? I don't know. How about the teams that drive to Sand Springs to win 8-0? How do those parents feel? I don't know what the answer is, some of these parents get sold a bill of goods and some think their kid is way better than they are. I just want my kid to have fun and enjoy the game and her teammates.

 

[tudirk]

They did not go to WSA.

Preston is coaching both the NL and RL TX teams this year.

I am optimistic because the player pool for NL this year is larger in Tulsa. There are still some good players that won't be playing on the NL team and that sucks, but we have a more or less consolidated player group for the first time in a long time. I think there's a competitive team there, I just hope WSA finds the mix.

I've said it before: There are good, NL level, players that played at Blitz or WSA because their families could not stand TSC / would not play at TSC. Those players were mixed with players that couldn't play at the NL level.

You are talking about the top .5% of the kids going D1. I'm saying there is zero D1 kids on some of these age groups. Let's talk about kids having fun and a passion for the game of soccer. These kids driving 8 hours to Austin to lose 2 games 0-8, 0-8 aren't having fun. It's a disservice to these kids, it doesn't matter if it's TSC or WSA's badge. on their shirt to go play these games. If a kid is a national team type kid they are going to leave Tulsa regardless. ECNL Texas is like the SEC some schools (Vanderbilt) can't compete. I feel sorry for the WSA kids this year that have to go play ECNL. They won't have fun. The parents will spend thousands of dollars for the kids to be miserable. Is GA the answer? I don't know. How about the teams that drive to Sand Springs to win 8-0? How do those parents feel? I don't know what the answer is, some of these parents get sold a bill of goods and some think their kid is way better than they are. I just want my kid to have fun and enjoy the game and her teammates.

💯……My friend

 

[lawpoke87]

You are talking about the top .5% of the kids going D1. I'm saying there is zero D1 kids on some of these age groups. Let's talk about kids having fun and a passion for the game of soccer. These kids driving 8 hours to Austin to lose 2 games 0-8, 0-8 aren't having fun. It's a disservice to these kids, it doesn't matter if it's TSC or WSA's badge. on their shirt to go play these games. If a kid is a national team type kid they are going to leave Tulsa regardless. ECNL Texas is like the SEC some schools (Vanderbilt) can't compete. I feel sorry for the WSA kids this year that have to go play ECNL. They won't have fun. The parents will spend thousands of dollars for the kids to be miserable. Is GA the answer? I don't know. How about the teams that drive to Sand Springs to win 8-0? How do those parents feel? I don't know what the answer is, some of these parents get sold a bill of goods and some think their kid is way better than they are. I just want my kid to have fun and enjoy the game and her teammates.

I can only speak to my observations. Academy is fun soccer. It’s about friendships and learning the game. Most NL girls I know playing U15 and up are focused on playing in college as are their parents. It’s just too much work, time and money not to have that end goal for most. It’s also achievable. I believe over half of TSCs 07 starters signed with a D1.

I do believe non NL girls probably have a more enjoyable soccer experience once they hit competitive soccer. Something about playing for the joy of the game with friends without having to worrying about the pressures of the Texas league NL would certainly be appealing. Soccer should be about fun. For a lot of the NL girls the fun ended around U14 other than high school soccer. There’s a lot to be said about playing without the pressure and with one’s friends.

 

[ScheelSC]

I can only speak to my observations. Academy is fun soccer. It’s about friendships and learning the game. Most NL girls I know playing U15 and up are focused on playing in college as are their parents. It’s just too much work, time and money not to have that end goal for most. It’s also achievable. I believe over half of TSCs 07 starters signed with a D1.

I do believe non NL girls probably have a more enjoyable soccer experience once they hit competitive soccer. Something about playing for the joy of the game with friends without having to worrying about the pressures of the Texas league NL would certainly be appealing. Soccer should be about fun. For a lot of the NL girls the fun ended around U14 other than high school soccer. There’s a lot to be said about playing without the pressure and with one’s friends.

You have lived it with a high level player. I'm saying you can have fun playing soccer and losing. You can't have fun getting embarrassed.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I just think with Honkv and Soccer 7583 this post could be on the verge. It could be expanding into a Board within a Post right now.

Well on its way.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

You are talking about the top .5% of the kids going D1. I'm saying there is zero D1 kids on some of these age groups. Let's talk about kids having fun and a passion for the game of soccer. These kids driving 8 hours to Austin to lose 2 games 0-8, 0-8 aren't having fun. It's a disservice to these kids, it doesn't matter if it's TSC or WSA's badge. on their shirt to go play these games. If a kid is a national team type kid they are going to leave Tulsa regardless. ECNL Texas is like the SEC some schools (Vanderbilt) can't compete. I feel sorry for the WSA kids this year that have to go play ECNL. They won't have fun. The parents will spend thousands of dollars for the kids to be miserable. Is GA the answer? I don't know. How about the teams that drive to Sand Springs to win 8-0? How do those parents feel? I don't know what the answer is, some of these parents get sold a bill of goods and some think their kid is way better than they are. I just want my kid to have fun and enjoy the game and her teammates.

There are less NL clubs than there are D1 programs. Do the math. There is a good chance that a huge portion of NL players play d1 soccer. TSC has consistently put 6-7 girls on d1 teams for a while now, and we are talking big, big schools too.

 

[ScheelSC]

Here is one of my issues with ECNL. Blitz's 2013 girls are better than WSA's but next year Blitz will have to play WSA's 3rd team. How is that fair to Blitz who has developed those ages? Also how is that fair to the girls in that game? FC Wichita beat WSA 3-0 and next year FC Wichita plays WSA's 3rd team???? ECNL has to fix this..........

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Here is one of my issues with ECNL. Blitz's 2013 girls are better than WSA's but next year Blitz will have to play WSA's 3rd team. How is that fair to Blitz who has developed those ages? Also how is that fair to the girls in that game? FC Wichita beat WSA 3-0 and next year FC Wichita plays WSA's 3rd team???? ECNL has to fix this..........

if you listened to the ECNL podcast which has the director on, they opted for the "club model." In Tulsa, we have 3 clubs that matter...maybe a 4th with a few below that.

I have said many times I think he does not understand soccer. I think there are many people professing problems about soccer in America that have 50k-100k subscribers that don't understand what is taking place here in America. They are usually in small places like Chattanooga TN not coaches and don't have kids. Somehow they get some big names and they just wax poetic. It is a friggin nightmare to listen to.

But back to the topic on ECNL, I think they think that having random one off teams means getting people into a system they may or may not understand the commitment to. So that who ECNL needs to fix this thing ain't happenin' keep dreaming. For the 2013s, Back in the day, WSA, blitz and TSC would have just competed for a state title. TSC would have stomped them out and that was that. WSA would have learned their place. Now, it sounds like they are going to get promoted and not get the players they need to really compete.

It will be the same way going forward for WSA. Not a single of their girls teams are the best on this side of the state below 2012. None. Zero. In a lot of it, they are third, maybe even fourth. Not bueno.

That can change getting the NL letters and the greatest high school coach in the history of America.

 

[Spartan918]

There are less NL clubs than there are D1 programs. Do the math. There is a good chance that a huge portion of NL players play d1 soccer. TSC has consistently put 6-7 girls on d1 teams for a while now, and we are talking big, big schools too.

The stat on the girls side is 60-70% of NL players go D1. And apparently now, there is a new push in Oklahoma to keep our girls in OK at OU, OSU and TU. That’s what the scouts and coaches have been saying at camps etc according to sources. I didn’t personally hear that.

 

[Soccer7583]

The stat on the girls side is 60-70% of NL players go D1. And apparently now, there is a new push in Oklahoma to keep our girls in OK at OU, OSU and TU. That’s what the scouts and coaches have been saying at camps etc according to sources. I didn’t personally hear that.

That percentage seems really high, but regardless I think the next few years college soccer for incoming freshman will be a mess with the change in roster sizes.

 

[lawpoke87]

Here is one of my issues with ECNL. Blitz's 2013 girls are better than WSA's but next year Blitz will have to play WSA's 3rd team. How is that fair to Blitz who has developed those ages? Also how is that fair to the girls in that game? FC Wichita beat WSA 3-0 and next year FC Wichita plays WSA's 3rd team???? ECNL has to fix this..........

A similar thing occurred with the 2010 class. Blitz had the best 10s during the academy years.. What happened? Those girls moved to TSC when it was time to play competitive. Girls have always played for the patch not the club. Which is why practically none of the NL girls at TSC are still with the club.

It’s probably fair to TSC since they lost ECNL but is it fair to other clubs….probably not. However, it’s the spoils of having the top platform in the country. You get the best players because most of the best kids want to play in the best platform with the most exposure against the best players in the country. TSC has preached the virtues of ECNL to kids and parents for years. Will this change with GA coming into this market….maybe for a few age groups.

Just to be clear….other than the 08s, TSC NL girls are competitive in 90% of their games. The notion they are getting consistently blown out is pure fiction and something TSC is putting out there to sell GA

I’m not sure how college recruiting will shake out in the next few years on the girls side. I do believe most of the angst is overblown. The girls occupying roster spots 25-30 currently are almost all walkons or on some academic ship. They don’t see any meaningful PT. Heck…they don’t dress. I see very few of these players being on their roster in the next two years

 

[Honkv]

A similar thing occurred with the 2010 class. Blitz had the best 10s during the academy years.. What happened? Those girls moved to TSC when it was time to play competitive. Girls have always played for the patch not the club. Which is why practically none of the NL girls at TSC are still with the club.

It’s probably fair to TSC since they lost ECNL but is it fair to other clubs….probably not. However, it’s the spoils of having the top platform in the country. You get the best players because most of the best kids want to play in the best platform with the most exposure against the best players in the country. TSC has preached the virtues of ECNL to kids and parents for years. Will this change with GA coming into this market….maybe for a few age groups.

Just to be clear….other than the 08s, TSC NL girls are competitive in 90% of their games. The notion they are getting consistently blown out is pure fiction and something TSC is putting out there to sell GA

I’m not sure how college recruiting will shake out in the next few years on the girls side. I do believe most of the angst is overblown. The girls occupying roster spots 25-30 currently are almost all walkons or on some academic ship. They don’t see any meaningful PT. Heck…they don’t dress. I see very few of these players being on their roster in the next two years

Whenever TSC lost NL, TSC started saying "Well, I hope you're not just chasing ECNL"

I thought that was hilarious considering how them having NL was like, THE selling point.

It really seems like there's quite a bit of cope happening now. I get it. If my daughter's age group was given every resource they ever needed, I'd probably feel better about TSC as well.

A friend once told me that after leaving TSC, after getting some distance from the club, how bad things were started to really stand out, especially compared to their new club. I don't think it was all bad; we had some amazing times there. But I will say that now, after some distance from the club, there's some pretty obvious stuff that just went unaddressed.

It's all water under the bridge now. Can't go back and change it.

 

[lawpoke87]

Whenever TSC lost NL, TSC started saying "Well, I hope you're not just chasing ECNL"

I thought that was hilarious considering how them having NL was like, THE selling point.

It really seems like there's quite a bit of cope happening now. I get it. If my daughter's age group was given every resource they ever needed, I'd probably feel better about TSC as well.

A friend once told me that after leaving TSC, after getting some distance from the club, how bad things were started to really stand out, especially compared to their new club. I don't think it was all bad; we had some amazing times there. But I will say that now, after some distance from the club, there's some pretty obvious stuff that just went unaddressed.

It's all water under the bridge now. Can't go back and change it.

I can’t imagine there’s another ECNL club in the country where a coach would be allowed to live in a players house or be flown to games in a parents private plane….except TSC

 

[tudirk]

The 2012’s lost 12 ECNL games by 3 or more goals. 7 of those by 5 or more. That’s not competitive.

 

[Honkv]

I can’t imagine there’s another ECNL club in the country where a coach would be allowed to live in a players house or be flown to games in a parents private plane….except TSC

lol what

The 2012’s lost 12 ECNL games by 3 or more goals. 7 of those by 5 or more. That’s not competitive.

Can't refute that, but I will say this: Many of those games were competitive until they weren't. Going into the half vs Sting Black (arguably the best team in the country) either tied or down 1 goal isn't bad.


TSC 12s were still not the worst team in that conf though. And there were ABSOLUTELY some games that were lost because of coaching choices. Not all of them, but a few that were absolutely winnable.

 

[lawpoke87]

The 2012’s lost 12 ECNL games by 3 or more goals. 7 of those by 5 or more. That’s not competitive.

Yeah….forgot about the 12s as they were new to ECNL this past year. I think it’s fair to give the 12s another year in ECNL before we start classifying them like the 08s.

So in 4 of the 6 age groups TSC fielded competitive teams. Obviously not a great look but also not the blowout across the age groups which TSC is NOW trying to portray.

 

[Honkv]

Yeah….forgot about the 12s as they were new to ECNL this past year. I think it’s fair to give the 12s another year in ECNL before we start classifying them like the 08s.

So in 4 of the 6 age groups TSC fielded competitive teams. Obviously not a great look but also not the blowout across the age groups which TSC is NOW trying to portray.

It's hard to feel bad about how the 12s did in their first year when you add up all the factors.

1. first year in the league.
2. toughest conf in the league.
3. multiple teams in the league played up into the RL NTX / TX league the year before and had much more experience.
4. Sheer size of player pool
5. The top 4 teams seem to beat EVERYONE how they beat us lol