And who knows what happens with FC Tulsa Academy and the formerly known as Titan facility. If they sink some money into it as a practice facility capable of hosting games, that may free some space up at Scheel's for WSA to host NL games out there....TSC won't be needing it for that purpose 😆 I can't see Barry paying that money to rent the turf fields for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier games...then again I can't see the Bushes paying money to get out there. I wonder if Ryan can use his ORU connection to run NL games out at ORU for a good rental price but I will tell you they will get blasted for the parking situation at ORU if they do that. You have to park down the hill closer to the Mabee Center than to the actual soccer field.
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Lmao, that’s insane. You want to attract top level talent but provide none of the facilities to compete with the teams on your platform.
Nobody on this side of the state has even announced GA, that would be a crazy assumption to think people are leaving for a platform that currently doesn’t exist.
RL TX is a better league than the regional GA option imo but being on the top team at a club has its advantages compared to being the #2 team. Top team players at any club are just viewed and treated differently than second team kids.
Maybe we should get their parents' email addresses and give them some info of what is below the topsoil layer there. They would never let their kids spend time on those pitches. There's a reason why they haven't pulled the trigger on turfing the whole complex yet...because the remediation of the contaminated soil below the surface would cost maybe 10x what just laying turf would cost.
Reading your posts, I can see precisely what I have said.
Tulsa has talent. However, if you spread that talent out, it will be very hard to compete because the talent pool is thin due to the city's size.
Lawpoke just typed out that the 2010s should be good. It is awful that we can't have them come together and stomp out some Texans. There is a lack of trust in the coaching.
The great WSA, Greenwood, and Blitz with FC Tulsa look amazing. It is new and hot. They don't have Barry, who 95% of people haven't talked to but is to blame for everything for their specific child and seemingly have a relationship with.
Things will start to happen:
The coach will yell at a girl or boy
They will think they are better than they are.
The coach cuts them or places them at a lower level. They get mad and put them somewhere else.
They don't like the vibe.
Terrible facilties
The team lost a lot of games and the parents start to get pissed
The coaches start yelling at Referees and other coaches and get tossed out of games, so they are horrible people and should never be around other people.
Many others on the list
Eventually, WSA, Blitz, and Greenwood will also be called for-profit POSs. It always does in club soccer. Hopefully, it doesn't, but I doubt it. Eventually, people will want to move on because Tulsa is a B market for coaching. Many of these places are full of people with many more local ties who are not trying to get their next gig outside of here, which doesn't help.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this private equity money at Greenwood as it expands. We now have three for-profit clubs in Tulsa: Blitz, TSC, and Greenwood. That was a lot of the criticism at TSC.
When things don't go right at any of those places, it won't be..." for the kids." It isn't like they exactly set the prices of volleyball courts for kids at Titan.
Tulsa needs to get bigger.
Oklahoma City, windy, flat, and ugly as hell, managed to bring in 400,000 people, SGA, Chet, and Jalen, build a big half-full 900-foot tower, steal 100s of millions in government money from the FAA, DOD, and NIH, create a big empty corporate campus, and steal their citizens' money to pay for a new palace for their billionaires to have SGA and boys play in.
We can do similar things!
Slowly, though, Michael Bates, Jarrin Jackson, Cody Rodgers, and the utterly pure a-holes or needlessly insane seem to be disappearing and being put down. I am hopeful!
I digress, though...
Tulsa has talent. However, if you spread that talent out, it will be very hard to compete because the talent pool is thin due to the city's size.
Lawpoke just typed out that the 2010s should be good. It is awful that we can't have them come together and stomp out some Texans. There is a lack of trust in the coaching.
The great WSA, Greenwood, and Blitz with FC Tulsa look amazing. It is new and hot. They don't have Barry, who 95% of people haven't talked to but is to blame for everything for their specific child and seemingly have a relationship with.
Things will start to happen:
The coach will yell at a girl or boy
They will think they are better than they are.
The coach cuts them or places them at a lower level. They get mad and put them somewhere else.
They don't like the vibe.
Terrible facilties
The team lost a lot of games and the parents start to get pissed
The coaches start yelling at Referees and other coaches and get tossed out of games, so they are horrible people and should never be around other people.
Many others on the list
Eventually, WSA, Blitz, and Greenwood will also be called for-profit POSs. It always does in club soccer. Hopefully, it doesn't, but I doubt it. Eventually, people will want to move on because Tulsa is a B market for coaching. Many of these places are full of people with many more local ties who are not trying to get their next gig outside of here, which doesn't help.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this private equity money at Greenwood as it expands. We now have three for-profit clubs in Tulsa: Blitz, TSC, and Greenwood. That was a lot of the criticism at TSC.
When things don't go right at any of those places, it won't be..." for the kids." It isn't like they exactly set the prices of volleyball courts for kids at Titan.
Tulsa needs to get bigger.
Oklahoma City, windy, flat, and ugly as hell, managed to bring in 400,000 people, SGA, Chet, and Jalen, build a big half-full 900-foot tower, steal 100s of millions in government money from the FAA, DOD, and NIH, create a big empty corporate campus, and steal their citizens' money to pay for a new palace for their billionaires to have SGA and boys play in.
We can do similar things!
Slowly, though, Michael Bates, Jarrin Jackson, Cody Rodgers, and the utterly pure a-holes or needlessly insane seem to be disappearing and being put down. I am hopeful!
I digress, though...
I agree completely but it was the perception. I can't tell you how many times I heard it out of people.
I haven't seen that. This tryout announcement was for boys only. It says all ages and level (there are separate times for the different age groups along with field assignments...and apparently they've been working to get the other fields at Titan available for the youth academy stuff.
I would assume they're still playing RL in whatever league they were in. They also were doing FCL again but in a different league, not the same one in TX they did previously which was a disaster for the OK teams because TX sides were rolling out their NL teams in that league as a practice league between NL weekends.
I haven't been to any of the open houses and parent meetings that have been introducing the FC Tulsa part of things to players and parents since I don't have a kid playing at that level anymore but I'd be interested in knowing what they're saying. If I run into my son's old coach anytime soon, I'll ask as I'm sure he'd be up front with me. He seemed pretty positive about the partnership and at least right now they're trying to do the right things in terms of strategic planning for player development. Of course all of these endeavors always sound great at first.
Let us know. They’re playing on a 5th tier platform. I would be shocked in they’re able to attract high level talent to play in an ECNL-RL Regional league
Newcomer here, who has just been a casual reader. I think it's funny how all the talking heads still think the league, or the club you play for is the end all be all. Not all players, and parents care about the club/league, some of them care more about if the development potential is there with that club, or coach. Just because you have a fancy patch that you pay thousands of dollars for on your chest, doesn't mean they know how to develop players. Sometimes having a positive team culture goes a lot further than playing for a specific team, coach, or league.
Quality of coaching, and team culture sometimes mean more to others than the bragging rights to say I play in this league, or that league. I think you'd be shocked how many top talent players are around the Tulsa area, that don't play for the "Big" clubs, and are getting exposure, and recruited just as much as the fancy league players. The time playing this game is short for the kids, why not allow them to do it with players they get along with, and enjoy, while continuing to develop....rather than jumping from one toxic culture to the next.
Yes, I know the numbers behind the ECNL recruitment/scholarships, but, that's not always the end all be all, there are different pathways to get there, some not as easy as ECNL because of the exposure that comes with it, but if they're willing to work for it, it can be done outside of those leagues.
I’ve heard Celtic did in fact pass on GA. This puts TSC in a tough spot as far as the girls program. The regional GA teams apparently aren’t thrilled about traveling for a single to Oklahoma so a traveling partner appears to be needed. I actually heard the crazy rumor that TSC is accepted to GA on the condition it plays all of their games on the road. Something either way will need to be finalized in the next two weeks.
TSC boys did get a waiver from ECNL to have tryouts early to try to combat the new MLS Next club. I’m very curious to see how the numbers shake out on the boys side between FC Tulsa, TSC and Greenwood.
TSC boys did get a waiver from ECNL to have tryouts early to try to combat the new MLS Next club. I’m very curious to see how the numbers shake out on the boys side between FC Tulsa, TSC and Greenwood.
Celtic is ECRL Texas. I’ve heard TSC has a GA option but would have to play all games on the road (no home games). Can’t imagine that would be an option for parents. GA travel is brutal
TSC and Energy have both received permission from ECNL to start signing players this week. So almost a month earlier than otherwise permitted. This is being done to combat MLS Next now being in the Oklahoma market. I assume they will tell kids they have to sign to insure they have a spot. Will be interesting to see how this works.
Is this on the boys and girls side? If it does include the girls I’m guessing WSA received permission also?
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It was done as a blocking action on the boys side against MLS Next. I was told ECNL had to make it a club wide authorization so girls side signings would be permissible as well. WSA doesn’t have ECNL boys thus they weren’t part of this decision
Gotcha, I wonder how this will work for Energy considering several teams will make the playoffs.
This is crazy. I hate this kind of stuff. Are they going to tell the best talent to leave? Why were their little egos hurt for trying out or pissed at loss of a potential source of income also hurting them? Seems dumb either way.
Is WSA looking at OPL talent to rock out the Texas league with the boys? Dang. No worries. They can go throw the greatest of great, great, great high school coaches at them and turn them into superstars.
Is WSA looking at OPL talent to rock out the Texas league with the boys? Dang. No worries. They can go throw the greatest of great, great, great high school coaches at them and turn them into superstars.
Nothing has really changed to WSA on the boys side. They are still and RL level club and will continue to attract that level of player. Especially the west side kids. They do offer quite of few scholarships on the boys side which aids their numbers
It's always interesting to me how much East Tulsa gravitates toward them. I know they have that hidden-away East Tulsa complex in the woods.
I have always wonder a few thing:
What percentage of their club is on scholarship vs not?
What percentage of their boy's side is funded by girls (random observation says that could be possible) ? Just saying....
What percentage of their "tournaments" are just internal scrimmages called tournaments to pay out Roger Bush?
Does West Bank's excellent facilities mean that no one wants to come in to play soccer at those tournaments?
Will they push to get the boys NL division? If their boys are 60% on scholarship, how do they afford NL travel? I guess they are sort of doing it with RL. Is it different in the NL stuff or about the same?
What is the ETA on ECNL telling WSA that the Roger Bush Masterpiece in Sand Springs has to be substituted for something like BA's turf?Won't be too West Sidey at that point.
Self before side...
The soccer club formula I’ve heard is you need 1.5 girls for every 1 boy to pay the bills.
There’s always the possibility that, like many TX teams, WSA plays at a local high school.
That used to happen a lot at DA sides in CO.
Jenks wants an insane amount to use their practice facility (which is the nicest in town). I told someone they should use it as a recruiting tool since you have open district transfers now.
Ha, that could be true.
OEFC is definitely screwing up with 12 boys teams to six girls in the '14s.
How is Greenwood supposed to survive?
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MLS Next is a different model. I have no idea what MLS Next clubs pay to MLS or how much if any is subsidized by MLS.Ha, that could be true.
OEFC is definitely screwing up with 12 boys teams to six girls in the '14s.
How is Greenwood supposed to survive?
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I mean MLS Next would probably be cheaper than the Patriot and golf lessons for my son but how much is it going to cost? Where are they going to practice and play? Having MLS NeXT is super cool. JM is the best trainer around here. But at the end of the day how do you pay for it? No girls teams to supplement?
Those are all very good questions. Questions which probably should have already been addressed
BASC used to be one of the top soccer clubs in the city. It gets the most help with fields of any club in the city. But it was never really a premier club per se. It was just a gaggle of teams. I always thought of it more as a gaggle of teams under an umbrella.
They would love to be seen as the most legitimate. Strangely, some people think they are already superstars. Ocassionally, I run into people who say, "My daughter or my daughter's friend plays for BA Express, the best club in the city and state. " I am not even joking. I stare at them and say, "Wow, that is cool."
This is the biggest thing that has ever happened to BA soccer, although the people who operate the 6,100-person BA high school will probably argue about the last high school state championship.
It amazes me that some people pop off stories about BASC fans without them being good. I can't imagine what would happen if they genuinely had good teams.
God, I hate going to Indian Springs. That terrible convenience store has been there since the early '90s. The coffee is still horrific. The service is still awful, and it is still grimy as hell when you walk in.....At least they took out the dirty porno mags. Most positively, the last few times, the cashier didn't smell like an arab sewer and ass-sweat crossed with cologne.
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