I could see a transition year because WSA isn’t prepared to take on NL.
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When you are filled with a team full of ex-college players, high level high-school and competitive players, A-type personalities and business owners, he is more than welcome to coach hard.
Is that what Technico is? If that's what they are and you're coaching adults/near adults, then fine. But that's not what the team I was referring to was.
Appears club directors received news today
TSC has lost NL
WSA promoted to NL effective 2025-2026 season.
Good news for the Tulsa NL girls that they kept an NL club in Tulsa. Celtic and WSA both submitted bids for NL. WSA was the choice
TSC has lost NL
WSA promoted to NL effective 2025-2026 season.
Good news for the Tulsa NL girls that they kept an NL club in Tulsa. Celtic and WSA both submitted bids for NL. WSA was the choice
Good news, it stays in Tulsa. Now WSA needs to get new facilities in place, hire qualified coaches and now recruit recruit recruit. I’m also assuming this was just on the girls side?
Haven’t heard anything today on the boys side. Originally TSC boys were going to be placed on probation.
I'm glad they are keeping an NL club in this town. It would have been outrageous a hellhole like Wichita and Baton Rouge has ECNL and MLS Next, but we couldn't manage things like that.
I saw a screenshot of the banner pic. Clicking it goes to a 404 page for now.
You usually aren't a BSer.
You are a straight shooter.
It's interesting you commented on the TSC doing horrible in Dallas. While the results were not great, WSA's were even worse. Hilarious.
That just further tells me that this choice wasn’t made because of performance.
I listened to a few of the ECNL podcasts. I have mentioned several things the dudes have said on here. The guys seem like powermongers and are naive.
I think they are lucky they have not had a second league emerge. The girl's development academy was their first real test, but only half of the clubs jumped, and the high school requirements sank it.
Those were the TSC second teams, too and WSA top teams. No bueno. Too funny.
I’m assuming TSC announces their new platform ASAP before the mass exodus to WSA. They are probably going to lose a minimum of 100 girls and probably more now that academy no longer rolls up to ECNL. Talk about a change in power, I just hope WSA can put product in place than can compete.
I know of several younger girls that are leaving for sure. They were already talking about leaving before this, though.
I wonder how the 13's and 14's will look. They're Pre-ECNL. I know at least one, a really good one, that will leave because her family is all about the label. They were already thinking about leaving for Energy or a TX team. They have the means to do either.
Another thing that's interesting is: one of the owners of Scheels has a daughter at TSC that's on the Pre-ECNL squad. I wonder if that will have any impact on the Scheels / TSC agreement. Probably not, right? A contract is a contract.
TSC pays huge fees for that space though. Barry would probably have to make a pretty big capital investment to keep it if a lot of girls leave, I'd imagine.
I wonder if ECNL gave TSC a "here's how you get back" thing. An IDP, if you will.
Only chance TSC has to get NL back would be a sale of the club imo. Even then, ECNL will give WSA every chance to succeed. I would anticipate most of the top girls at TSC will move to WSA. The difference in exposure and level of play between NL and RL is vast.
Not sure where TSC goes from here. GA on the girls side would be a horrible option. I’ve heard rumors of MLS Next but one has to assume the way Barry screwed over Michael Nsien won’t help with those prospects.
Will TSC be able to continue to pay the $25k a month to lease Scheels? Will WSA step in and assume that contract? Where will WSA NL train and play? Lots of questions
Barry once allegedly said he would run TSC into the ground before he would sell it. Might be the only time he’s kept his word
Not sure where TSC goes from here. GA on the girls side would be a horrible option. I’ve heard rumors of MLS Next but one has to assume the way Barry screwed over Michael Nsien won’t help with those prospects.
Will TSC be able to continue to pay the $25k a month to lease Scheels? Will WSA step in and assume that contract? Where will WSA NL train and play? Lots of questions
Barry once allegedly said he would run TSC into the ground before he would sell it. Might be the only time he’s kept his word
I doubt TSC has an opportunity to get NL back unless WSA loses it, market isn’t big enough for 2 NL clubs.
a) there will be a mass exodus. It will be interesting to see how much WSA protects its current players when the real talent shows up. I guess, technically, these will be new teams.
I am still so sad that many people from Tulsa are leaving for OKC and Dallas. I hate Barry more for that than anything.
I think it is ridiculous because, ultimately, TSC is getting players to huge D1 schools. WSA has maybe had a girl or two go to ORU, and that is to pay the piper.
Big. Fing. Time.
Everyone on this board should know how much of a fraudulent institution ORU is.
b) Rentals aren't capital investments. Barry needs to sell. His club just got worth a lot less.
c) keep dreaming on a refund.
I don’t think there is anyway WSA just assumes that contract, WSA is in a position to negotiate a better deal. I would also assume that Indian Springs and Mohawk would be in play for the NL games. From my understanding TSC was the only club who didn’t have access to Indian Springs so maybe that’s where they end up.
Maybe I should've said injection? IDK. I'm not a fin guy.
I spoke with a WSA parent whose kid is on a top team there. They don't want WSA to have NL because they don't want to be on a second team. They don't want to play on an NL team, but they don't want to be on a "second" team. It's a strange mentality to me, but it's also kind of telling of how many WSA kids / parents see NL.
That same parent told me there are multiple girls that don't want NL.
I wonder how many of them don't want it because they have sorta conditioned themselves with the idea that "NL isn't that great anyway, we're better than their NL teams" etc. and how many just don't know about it.
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I had a WSA parent come by and watch the first half of the FC Dallas - Scott Gallagher game yesterday. His thoughts “our parents have no idea how fast and physical the game is played at this level”
That parent echoed a lot of those sentiments. They enjoy being on the top team. If the TSC girls come over a large number of those kids will stay in RL but now be on the #2 team. That prospect isn’t near as attractive for them as being on the top team even at the same level they currently play. Most of those parents hate TSC and Barry so that isn’t a possibility.
I tried to reframe it for the parent. I told them "Don't worry about first team / second team. Your kid can stay in the same league they're in now, in the same conference. The team may look a little different and the coach might be a little different, but for y'all, nothing HAS to change."
It's just that first team / second team mentality.
They have no idea. It will be hilarious if WSA plays favourites, takes their RL, and moves them up. This whole notion of promotion and relegation can be put to bed.
They got smashed this weekend down at the RL conference showcase. Maybe some were hurt. Maybe some were sick or maybe they just are not that good.
This will be an all-time bad call by ECNL if WSA decides to go anti-TSC players and promote its own players.
Bush better go out to the praying hands to get some guidance here. Some hard decisions are going to have to be made.
This sounds very unside-like. Don't you have to play where you have your name on the complex?
You say that WSA got smashed, but is that accurate?
As of right now, it seems like most of the teams are kind of middle of the pack with either 1 win 1 loss or 1 win 1 draw or 1 draw 1 loss. Their 06 / 07 are in 5th place right now.
1) Showcases are meaningless. Equal playing time, etc…Total Global Sports
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2) WSA RL teams are playing NL teams (in some cases).
3) Both TSC and WSA are playing the lowest tier of teams in this Showcase. I wouldn’t read too much into the results Regulars season records are a much better evaluator of quality
4) You can’t really compare TSC to WSA. TSC has NL and the top girls in each age group. That is about to change
With good coaching and keeping top players in town there’s no reason why Tulsa teams can’t finish middle of the table
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Yeah. Like I said, most are middle of the pack out of 40-50 teams.
I’m not here to simp for any club, but I think we should give credit where credit is due.
I refereed the WSA showcase a couple weeks back. The quality was bad. I give some grace there as it is likely the first game action many of these girls have had since late November. It was till bad overall soccer and not anywhere near NL level, IMO.
The crazy thing is WSA getting NL and basically hoping to just take the TSC players and create an NL team and ending up shifting the bad results of TSC NL ot WSA NL. And WSA has even fewer resources than TSC when it comes to facilities. I mean WSA essentially has created this "glorious" network across the state labeling every small club it swallowed up as "WSA". Sure they wear the same uniforms but the majority of those teams would be hard pressed to beat a good rec+ team. And the fields that some of those clubs play on...the one in Ft. Gibson basically plays on a cleared out corn field (we lost a ball in the actual cornfield behind one of the goals). The WSA OKC team plays at SNU in Bethany...next to a cornfield, but they didn't get to use the actual SNU field, they played on an adjacent practice pitch which I wouldn't have wished on my worst enemy.
I get that the way TSC has not managed things appropriately was their downfall but it's not gonna be any better with WSA.
I think there is a silver lining here for at least my daughter's age group. There are talented players at WSA whose parents hated Barry / TSC so those girls would NEVER come to TSC. At least now, we get to mix the age groups and see if there really is a competitive team out there.
There are also some Blitz girls that wouldn't go to TSC but might go to WSA that are actually pretty good individual players.
I do believe WSA will do a better job with the retention of coaches from the academy level on up. Don’t underestimate what quality coaching can do at an ECNL club. For all of Barry’s faults, coaching retention might have been the most significant.
For my time at TSC, that has been my biggest annoyance.
That said. On the boy's side, we watched every academy team at WSA, and Blitz has always had different coaches at games all the time. They have even had coaches not even show up. So, it is not exactly a unique phenomenon.
Consistency is key to having a system, as Barry wanted to do. When you constantly change, you risk getting duds, and the coaches are unfamiliar with the players.
I hope that is the case. I want outstanding teams in Tulsa. It disgusts me as a true-blood Tulsan that people are leaving to pay off Jimmy Hampton. I told my wife not to buy TSC warmups because we don't know if we will wind up there. I tell people on other teams. Who knows where we will all be in the future? It is just four v four now. Youth soccer is a journey, and it goes to 11 vs 11, with 16-18 players on a squad. We started this journey at 4. Back in the day, it was 10 and fifth grade.
I have several coach friends at WSA with whom I have played or are friends from high school, college, and adulthood. It is the same thing at Blitz. Blitz is trying to get my son to play there now. I would have no issues with winding up there. But I am also aware of some of their problems, which I express here. It is fun to troll and be a hater, too. This is a message board. That is the point.
I don't feel like playing in a gazillion tournaments against more WSA teams. That is ridiculous. Look at their lower age brackets at the Futures Cup right now.
I am sure some of these parents have perceptions or were done wrong at some point by TSC to them or their friends. Who knows. Some of it is just stupid.
"It's all about the money over there." I am sure Wilbert Maximore and Roger Bush are making zero, right? GTFOH. If it isn't about the money, you don't hold constant tournaments and make your teams enter and pay.
This is probably true. Both Blitz and WSA have some really good players that are "never TSC" types (or maybe their parents are the never TSC ones).
Yep...I was on the inside so I can affirm it's sort of a sham when it comes to being an institution of higher learning. There are maybe 2 programs that have any actual credibility, nursing and education.
I would be shocked if there are any girls at Blitz U13 and up who could play NL in the Texas league. It’s very difficult to train and play third or fourth tier and then step in and compete with girls who have trained top tier for the last couple of years. That gap grows quickly
FWIW: there at least 1 there that should’ve been NL with my daughter. TSC fumbled her. She’s a worker and has been training a lot and it shows.
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