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This may be ORU's best shot to upgrade into a better league whenever WSU gets the invite. They have enough history in MBB, baseball as well as the facilities to come closest at replacing WSU in the MVC as anyone available. They obviously aren't as good as WSU, but they are as good as Loyola, Drake, Evansville and Missouri St. right now. They also fit in geographically into that conference.

They should drop to D2 or better yet just close stakes sell or rent the facilities and fill the latest preachers packers.
They tried that once and changed their minds.
 
I don't think scheduling would be a big issue. They are currently playing an MVC schedule that could be replaced with an American schedule. If the conferences play a different number of games they could probably buy out of or add a game or two if necessary.
True on scheduling. Actually Volleyball is only olympic sport to have finalized it's 2017-18 schedule. In no way will AAC AD's let that sport get in the way of basketball. I've read scheduling models for all AAC olympic sports have been drafted with the WSU option. It appears all that stands in the way of a presser is an official annoucement of the AAC Presidents vote.

Most importantly the MVC has zero exit fees, only a forfeiture of future basketball credits if exit occurs within 24 months. The day Creighton left the MVC, WSU started planning for this opportunity. WSU heavily opposed exit fees that many MVC AD's pushed for after Creighton's exit.

Everything points to the move happening as ot July 1, 2017.

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ORU is dead athletically and as an 'educational' institution. Better to use the land as an amusement park called TV Preacherland.
Yep, and they could be in a lot of trouble if the Valley goes nuclear and replaces WSU with further expansion and pulls in all 4 Dakota schools, creating 12 member MVC, and consolidating those 4 athletically with the seperately administered MVFC. North Dakota is leaving the Big Sky for the MVFC in 2020. I think adding 4 public schools is a long shot for the MVC, but since when has conference realignment really made sense?
 
From everything I read (WSU to AAC) its as certain as the sun rising every morning. Hopefully it will happen soon so we can capitalize on their certain success next year since everyone is back for them. A league with the possibility of 4 or even 5 teams in the dance most years is gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.

So will they get a rivals posting site like ours if that occurs?
 
From everything I read (WSU to AAC) its as certain as the sun rising every morning. Hopefully it will happen soon so we can capitalize on their certain success next year since everyone is back for them. A league with the possibility of 4 or even 5 teams in the dance most years is gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.

So will they get a rivals posting site like ours if that occurs?

I can't wait to see UCONN bitch about how they are doing and blame this conference on why they are sucking while the rest of the conference is doing well.
 
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Yep, and they could be in a lot of trouble if the Valley goes nuclear and replaces WSU with further expansion and pulls in all 4 Dakota schools, creating 12 member MVC, and consolidating those 4 athletically with the seperately administered MVFC. North Dakota is leaving the Big Sky for the MVFC in 2020. I think adding 4 public schools is a long shot for the MVC, but since when has conference realignment really made sense?
TU needs to just buy the damn place and make it a "South Campus". It would be neat to make it a Med School
 
As much as TU used to hate Wichita State, I think both teams will love to hate on SMU more. There is a past history of WSU fans being ugly to Nolan and Rose and many still remember that however.
 
This "hatred" goes back to the 50's and early 60's at least. The first TU basketball game I attended was TU v. WSU there was a fight in the crowd. It was quickly ended when a bunch of burly guys in TU letterman jackets came and put the "squabash" on those pesky fans from Wichita!
 
Andy Katz is reporting that the AAC's board of directors (believe they are the university presidents) will be voting on adding Wichita State on Friday.
 
It also sounds like we'll move to an 18-game conference schedule. That works as long as they have serious discussions about non-conference scheduling.
 
It also sounds like we'll move to an 18-game conference schedule. That works as long as they have serious discussions about non-conference scheduling.
Aren't we already at 18? We finished the regular conference season at 8-10 this year. With 12, I always favored divisions, playing everyone in your division 2X and the other division 1X for 16 conference games. It would also potentially make the AAC west one of the better 6 team groupings in all of college basketball.
 
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Rivalries are needed for us. This addition is very good, especially since Koch money is behind them and will get them good coaches. Their fan base is incredibly loyal, and it is their town's team. Everyone I have ever met from Wichita follows this team and is a fan. If they come down and get in fights, great. Let's get fired up for when they show up. We need teams to loathe WSU, SMU, and those Michelle Bachmann producers at 61st and Lewis. I feel like Cinci could be this team. Does anyone else feel like Cinci is the new Fresno for us?
 
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Rivalries are needed for us. This addition is very good, especially since Koch money is behind them and will get them good coaches. Their fan base is incredibly loyal, and it is their town's team. Everyone I have ever met from Wichita follows this team and is a fan. If they come down and get in fights, great. Let's get fired up for when they show up. We need teams to loathe WSU, SMU, and those Michelle Bachmann producers at 61st and Lewis. I feel like Cinci could be this team. Does anyone else feel like Cinci is the new Fresno for us?
With the exception that I actually like Tark. I can't stand Cronin.
 
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Adding WSU and dropping ORU is a good thing.
 
With the exception that I actually like Tark. I can't stand Cronin.

Tark was entertaining and the anti-establishment stuff (NCAA) he would say was fantastic, and the fact that he no remorse or apologies made me a fan. His memory bunch of convicts were a completely different story. If the NCAA hates anyone like they hated Tark then I'll be a fan. Cronin is just a complete D-Bag.
 
I must have missed something. How does adding Wichita to the conference affect oru?
It doesn't. Some have speculated that ORU would attempt to join the MVC but there is no interest from the MVC in them.

And adding WSU and more conference games squeezes out the crappy oru game we've mistakenly played.
 
I don't see how that affects the ORU game. We played 18 conference games before, and with Wichita St we'll still play 18 conference games. It will just happen that Wichita St will probably replace a home game and an away game against two of the Eastern schools in the league. It will not crowd out any of our nonconference opponents. In fact, for the immediate future we will have to find an opponent to replace Wichita St in our prescheduled nonconference game not get rid of an opponent. If we want to not play ORU, then we will have to come up with another excuse/reason.
 
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Tark was entertaining and the anti-establishment stuff (NCAA) he would say was fantastic, and the fact that he no remorse or apologies made me a fan. His memory bunch of convicts were a completely different story. If the NCAA hates anyone like they hated Tark then I'll be a fan. Cronin is just a complete D-Bag.

I love tark.
 
The first thing this will do is give us a guaranteed home MBB game against WSU every year instead of every other year and because they travel so well, should sell out. That means more revenue and excitement for a conference rival game. It also does the same for all sports we play. The best thing is that they travel so well.

Since WSU doesn't have football, I'd be for a designated home FB game against Memphis, SMU, Tulane or Houston with maybe discount tickets and an area where they could tailgate. Give them the AAC football experience so to speak. Allow them to cheer for their conference brothers whichever one they choose.

Just a thought.
 
The first thing this will do is give us a guaranteed home MBB game against WSU every year instead of every other year and because they travel so well, should sell out. That means more revenue and excitement for a conference rival game. It also does the same for all sports we play. The best thing is that they travel so well.

Since WSU doesn't have football, I'd be for a designated home FB game against Memphis, SMU, Tulane or Houston with maybe discount tickets and an area where they could tailgate. Give them the AAC football experience so to speak. Allow them to cheer for their conference brothers whichever one they choose.

Just a thought.

Offering an olive branch 2 WSU fans
2 adapt another AAC f-ball team is
a great idea!

Having lived there 4 the past 3 yrs
I guarantee many WSU fans would "buy"
N2 this idea

The week of the game
Local media would PR the game
which would promote TU f-ball
2 the city of Wichita

Offer Shock Top Beer @ the game

Allow WSU fans 2 have tailgate parties
Allow their mascot, band, & cheer leaders
2 B included

Give a % of f-ball tix's sold @ WSU outlets
to the WSU Athletic Dept &/or Local Wichita Area Charities

TU players could wear a WSU sticker
on their helmet 4 that game.

Perhaps Coach Marshall or another WSU coach
Could give a pep talk 2 the team
B4 the game.

Strike while the "fire" is Hot
I think TU fans might B Shocked
how supportive many Shockers fans
might B w/ this type of proposal

Even IF Tulsa just offers a "one time"
in celebration of WSU new AAC membership

I'd choose the WSU promo 4 home opener w/ La La Louie
Easier 2 advertise & promote in the Wichita area
It'd B a good opening gesture & prosper good relations
 
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Something I haven't seen talked about is how the WSU addition might affect salaries. Marshall makes somewhere around 3.3-3.5 million per year which puts him on a level with Izzo, Huggins, and Jamie Dixon. This is close to, but not quite, three times what Haith makes. I haven't kept track of coaches salaries but this might make him the highest paid BB coach in the league. Ollie might make more and Tubby at Memphis may be in the same area but looking at some lists near the end of the 2015-2016 season I didn't see anyone else making even 2 million. Will this push salaries higher? I know people are down on Haith but if he gets us back to the tourney and wins a game or two should he be compensated like the other coaches in the top half of the league.
 
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Something I haven't seen talked about is how the WSU addition might affect salaries. Marshall makes somewhere around 3.3-3.5 million per year which puts him on a level with Izzo, Huggins, and Jamie Dixon. This is close to, but not quite, three times what Haith makes. I haven't kept track of coaches salaries but this might make him the highest paid BB coach in the league. Ollie might make more and Tubby at Memphis may be in the same area but looking at some lists near the end of the 2015-2016 season I didn't see anyone else making even 2 million. Will this push salaries higher? I know people are down on Haith but if he gets us back to the tourney and wins a game or two should he be compensated like the other coaches in the top half of the league.

I guess we will have to whore out the football program a lot more if this comes to pass. I don't think we can cut men's golf again.
 
Something I haven't seen talked about is how the WSU addition might affect salaries. Marshall makes somewhere around 3.3-3.5 million per year which puts him on a level with Izzo, Huggins, and Jamie Dixon. This is close to, but not quite, three times what Haith makes. I haven't kept track of coaches salaries but this might make him the highest paid BB coach in the league. Ollie might make more and Tubby at Memphis may be in the same area but looking at some lists near the end of the 2015-2016 season I didn't see anyone else making even 2 million. Will this push salaries higher? I know people are down on Haith but if he gets us back to the tourney and wins a game or two should he be compensated like the other coaches in the top half of the league.

I guess we will have to whore out the football program a lot more if this comes to pass. I don't think we can cut men's golf again.
Don't think Tubby is making that much.
 
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