Who will be blamed for the shutdown?
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Smart Republicans may look a tiny bid deeper into these polls and see that if you add those who disapprove of the ACA because it is not liberal enough, they may conclude that their approach is not going to get a positive reception with a majority of Americans.
Re: Who will be blamed for the shutdown?[/URL]WATU2 posted on 9/30/2013...
Smart Republicans may look a tiny bid deeper into these polls and see that if you add those who disapprove of the ACA because it is not liberal enough, they may conclude that their approach is not going to get a positive reception with a majority of Americans
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You're asking a lot there.
Smart Republicans may look a tiny bid deeper into these polls and see that if you add those who disapprove of the ACA because it is not liberal enough, they may conclude that their approach is not going to get a positive reception with a majority of Americans
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You're asking a lot there.
Also from the poll:
Question 17
Do you think Barack Obama has acted mostly like a responsible adult or mostly like a spoiled child
during the recent debate over the federal budget?
Base = Total Sample
Total Men Women White Non-White
----- ----- ----- ----- ---------
Responsible adult 49% 45% 52% 46% 61%
Spoiled child 47% 49% 44% 50% 35%
No opinion 5% 6% 4% 4% 5%
Question 18
Do you think the Republicans in Congress have acted mostly like responsible adults or mostly like
spoiled children during the recent debate over the federal budget?
Base = Total Sample
Total Men Women White Non-White
----- ----- ----- ----- ---------
Responsible adults 25% 26% 24% 25% 24%
Spoiled children 69% 67% 71% 70% 69%
No opinion 6% 7% 5% 5% 6%
Question 17
Do you think Barack Obama has acted mostly like a responsible adult or mostly like a spoiled child
during the recent debate over the federal budget?
Base = Total Sample
Total Men Women White Non-White
----- ----- ----- ----- ---------
Responsible adult 49% 45% 52% 46% 61%
Spoiled child 47% 49% 44% 50% 35%
No opinion 5% 6% 4% 4% 5%
Question 18
Do you think the Republicans in Congress have acted mostly like responsible adults or mostly like
spoiled children during the recent debate over the federal budget?
Base = Total Sample
Total Men Women White Non-White
----- ----- ----- ----- ---------
Responsible adults 25% 26% 24% 25% 24%
Spoiled children 69% 67% 71% 70% 69%
No opinion 6% 7% 5% 5% 6%
When you have revenues of X. And you you spend X+++++++. Something
Has fo change.
The gov needs to support infrastructer and esentials. Roads, pilice, military,
Bordar security, . . .not givaway programs like pbs, acorn, welfaare, food
Stmps, free medical, . . .
Has fo change.
The gov needs to support infrastructer and esentials. Roads, pilice, military,
Bordar security, . . .not givaway programs like pbs, acorn, welfaare, food
Stmps, free medical, . . .
As a prelude to screwing around with the debt ceiling, we should.
The debt ceiling has to do with funding expenses Congress has already approved and the government spent, so while it will makes no sense to play with, the Far right will.
This post was edited on 10/1 1:35 PM by WATU2
The debt ceiling has to do with funding expenses Congress has already approved and the government spent, so while it will makes no sense to play with, the Far right will.
This post was edited on 10/1 1:35 PM by WATU2
I can only speak for myself. I blame "the govt" in general for being completely disfunctional and playing politics over serving their citizens who are stuck with them.
Term limits and benefit limits for politicians. How about this, no politician should be allowed to serve in congress or the executive or judicial branch when they reach the age of medicare - 65yrs old (would require an amendment). Then they would have the problem of making it fiscally sound for our kids.
Term limits and benefit limits for politicians. How about this, no politician should be allowed to serve in congress or the executive or judicial branch when they reach the age of medicare - 65yrs old (would require an amendment). Then they would have the problem of making it fiscally sound for our kids.
therein lies the problem... congress has approved far more spending than it ever should have. the fact that the federal govt is the nations largest employer is CRIMINAL and that is backed up by the fact that only "non essential" personnel are being furloughed.
This post was edited on 10/1 12:15 PM by noble cane
Sure it does..
the ACA is a massive entitlement program requiring financial outlays (spending) by the government..
Can someone rationally explain to me why the government would cancel the service academies games this weekend?
The Navy-Air Force game is a sellout and would be a large cash windfall for the government. Yet, they're cancelling it due to lack of money?
Makes absolutely no sense.
The Navy-Air Force game is a sellout and would be a large cash windfall for the government. Yet, they're cancelling it due to lack of money?
Makes absolutely no sense.
It is canelled because Obama wants to keep his politics in the media by getting his message on all the sports programming in additon to the news media. These tactics are like you'd see in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, and any totalitarian "regime" (and the Jimmy Carter playbook). Its a political tactic used by a demagogue for political purposes regardless of the welfare of the cadets and the citizens who would attend. He does it because he can. I'd love to hear the conversation between whoever it was in the WH and the commandants of those schools.
Surely they'd make enough money to pay the refs and wasn't it going to be on TV for the revenue as well?
I mean, it could be that Obama is as bad as Stalin and Hitler, or it could be that all civilian employees of the service academies (i.e., the coaching staff) are now on furlough.
Sure it does.. depending on the message you want to send.
The Princeps already has those low information voters, entitlement addicts, and diehard Liberunists in his back pocket. But, they can't win the game for him. He needs the middle class armadillos and opossums to come around to his side. So, How do you do that? You make headlines with non essential events and items that play to the heartstrings.. closed museums, closed parks, cancelled sports.. etc.. None of which are really govt roles under the constitution hence their "non essential status" and none of which affect whether or not the union survives. But they make for good propoaganda.
This post was edited on 10/2 8:46 AM by noble cane
So. . . . they wouldn't make enough total money off the game to make up for the coaches salaries FOR THAT game?
No the reason this stuff happens is that Obama has become the modern day version of a slave holder who now considers certain segments of society "his" slaves. Social justice is social revenge. Got it!
Of course they will shut down parks and other highly Visible gov activities.
Why don't they shout down non estential programs like welfare, food
Stamp, donations to pbs and acorn, free health care to illegals, giving
A larger tax refund than a person put in ...
Why don't they shout down non estential programs like welfare, food
Stamp, donations to pbs and acorn, free health care to illegals, giving
A larger tax refund than a person put in ...
Only the federal government would furlough people who bring in large sums of revenue relative to their cost of employment....and we wonder why this organization is operating a Trillion dollars in the red every year and $17T overall.
Social security...will be financially insolvent on its current path
Medicare....see SS
Postal Service...is insolvent
....meanwhile the people who we elect to run our country act like spoiled brats. Both sides talking to the media but not to each other. Anyone have any hope left for longterm financial solutions to our debt and entitlement program issues?
Social security...will be financially insolvent on its current path
Medicare....see SS
Postal Service...is insolvent
....meanwhile the people who we elect to run our country act like spoiled brats. Both sides talking to the media but not to each other. Anyone have any hope left for longterm financial solutions to our debt and entitlement program issues?
In what universe are welfare and food stamps completely non-essential programs? Sure there are some people who abuse the system, but there are people whose lives depend on receiving that aid. Are you really claiming that the national parks and service academy football teams are essential government services that are much more important than services that keep some people alive? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read this board.
+1 I would love for him to try to argue that a double amputee's disability check is non-essential
Why is it my responsibility (my taxes) to pay for my deadbeat neighbor?
Welfare, food stamps, child tax crredit, health insurance, . . .
These are all charitable events. The government is NOT a charity.
Welfare, food stamps, child tax crredit, health insurance, . . .
These are all charitable events. The government is NOT a charity.
It must be really nice to live in a world as simple as yours. The rest of us know there are plenty of people on disability who would love nothing more than to go work hard and earn a paycheck, but are literally unable to because of health problems. These people will die if not for the services you consider non-essential and outside the realm of the government's responsibility.
I just hope you realize you will be a giant hypocrite the second you accept a dime of Medicare or Social Security.
Excuse me! I worked over 45 years and paid into the system. I have
EARNED my Social security and medicare.
EARNED my Social security and medicare.
Don't let the lieberals get to you. They also advocate euthanasia, death panels, late term abortion, infanticide and limiting or eliminating altogether your constitutional rights as a free law abiding american citizen that were granted you by our founding fathers over 2 centuries ago. They enjoy their brand of political thuggery that they "capture" by any means possible - legal or illegal. If you don't jump when they say so, you become an enemy of the state. See Nazi (National Socialist) Germany and their pet nation of old, Soviet (Union of Soviet Socialism) Russia. Lieberalism equals THAT!
Right now we now have diametrically different ways of electing Congress but in the long term that Republicans in the House will likely have to readjust their approach which should be good for the country. National and state wide elections cover a large enough electoral base to enforce moderation and working together. Gerrymandered electoral districts in the House have created a subset of narrowly focused Reps who can afford to take extreme positions and cannot afford to be seen as compromising. That difference should either to continue to cost the Republicans national and statewide elections by wider margins or to cause the Tea Party/gerrymandered groups to split off into a separate group from more mainstream Republicans (aka Noble's RINOs).
Until or unless one of those things happens, its hard to see who we will develop a long term solution which would require a broad, general consensus among Americans to sustain. Actually I think we have that consensus, but it is not reflected in the House.
This gerrymandering whining is pretty weak.http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/11/gerrymandering-not-big-deal-you-think Also, if you click on the study that motherjones cites you'll see another interesting point that relates to your theory: "Democrats also do worse because they are more concentrated in urban areas. They "waste" votes on huge margins there, when the party could put many of those votes to better use in marginal seats." So, with the huge margins in urban areas with an electorate dissimilar to the rest of the state and country, what makes their situation dissimilar to these terrible tea partiers?
With the exception of a few cases, hardline uncompromising conservatives would have been elected and re-elected in these districts with no gerrymandering(which both sides try to do as much as possible btw)
This post was edited on 10/4 1:20 PM by URedskin54
With the exception of a few cases, hardline uncompromising conservatives would have been elected and re-elected in these districts with no gerrymandering(which both sides try to do as much as possible btw)
This post was edited on 10/4 1:20 PM by URedskin54
Harry reid hates childern with cancer.
He would not even concider a Republican bill to fund this program.
Where was MSNBC on this?
If this had been a Republican, . . .
I just wish the press was not so biased.
He would not even concider a Republican bill to fund this program.
Where was MSNBC on this?
If this had been a Republican, . . .
I just wish the press was not so biased.
Pick your sources better. Known biased LIEberal sources HuffPo and NPR both had segments about the 200 people, including 30 children, that were turned away from clinical trials scheduled to begin at the NIH this week; and it has been documented EVERYWHERE that the Democrats will not vote piecemeal on each individual government program.
