I hope you are right about it not standing much chance. America bit once on Obamacare.
Warren's new Medicare For All Plan
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Republicans opposed the creation of Medicare which was passed 20 years after Truman proposed it. My dad, his friends in Tulsa, and eventually Ronald Reagan claimed it was the coming of socialized medicine and the end of America as we know it.
Funny how things change.
Since 1965 there have been repeated promises and even some attempts to improve our medical system, but they have all failed. Since Nixon and the advent of government support for HMOs which have become huge companies and hot stocks, the medical establishment has grown bigger and ever more influential despite its failings. The only real change has been the ACA which barely scrapped through and has been under massive attack ever since.
Meanwhile Trump's promises of the best medical system ever is as empty as his other promises.
If you are concerned about your healthcare, you should be concerned that Republicans will resume their efforts to dismantle Medicare for those already on it as Paul Ryan worked so hard to do.
Funny how things change.
Since 1965 there have been repeated promises and even some attempts to improve our medical system, but they have all failed. Since Nixon and the advent of government support for HMOs which have become huge companies and hot stocks, the medical establishment has grown bigger and ever more influential despite its failings. The only real change has been the ACA which barely scrapped through and has been under massive attack ever since.
Meanwhile Trump's promises of the best medical system ever is as empty as his other promises.
If you are concerned about your healthcare, you should be concerned that Republicans will resume their efforts to dismantle Medicare for those already on it as Paul Ryan worked so hard to do.
Private Equity investors targeting physicians practices. What can go wrong?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...ty-and-its-your-health-on-the-line-2018-06-08
https://www.propublica.org/article/...repeatedly-sued-the-poor-until-we-called-them
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...ty-and-its-your-health-on-the-line-2018-06-08
https://www.propublica.org/article/...repeatedly-sued-the-poor-until-we-called-them
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The only people who deserve free health care and compensation are military, police and fire who are injured in the line of duty
If owning a gun is a God given right as claimed by the right, then so is health care...God created us to live and be fruitful, not be sick and stressed out over how to pay for it because of greedy corporate shills.
You claim you're against socialism yet every last one of the items you mentioned above is a socialist "perk" we all benefit from. What ruined privatized health care is Reagan and his trickle down theory. Nothing trickles down...ever. The idea that stockholders get to decide whether you live or die because their only goal is protecting their quarterly dividends is abhorrent.
He wasn't saying the PROVIDING health care was socialism, he was saying the services you receive from police, fire, and military was socialism. I don't agree, but make your complaint against what he was claiming, not your repetitive misinterpretations. Think for a minute before you put your thoughts out there.
They are, by the very definition of "socialism", socialist services. Everyone pays in, every gets the benefit. Public education also falls into this. And this is where the GOP misinformation machine paints the picture that "socialism" is a government system when it is not. Also, no one is advocating that we upturn our economic system and replace it with socialism. They are simply advocating that health care be placed under the umbrella to help keep costs in check. Also, theoretically, people will get to choose their doctor versus one being chosen (or limited) for you by your health insurance plan. Most people on Community Care can't use a doctor in the Utica Park Clinic group...so if my employer ever switched to CC, I'd be screwed and have to find a new PCP. And before anyone comes at me with the garbage about the unemployed and uninsured/underinsured, please understand that every time someone without insurance goes into an ER or Urgent Care, they get taken care of whether or not they can pay for it. We end up paying for it...our private insurance premiums go up b/c the hospitals and care givers pass those expenses on to customers who can pay which means more paid out by insurance. You may not see the extra premiums through your employer because they eat it for a year or two but when the insurance provider decides that they need to double their premiums for your company or they'll drop your company because the employees actually utilize the health insurance they're paying for, you'll see there is a great need to stabilize the health care industry by making it a single payer action. Put a a structure in place where the existing insurance providers still get paid as the administrators and coordinators on a regional or even state by state basis. Everyone gets the care they need to live long, fulfilling healthy lives.
How do you get the guy living under a bridge to pay his fair share.
I still don't understand why it's the government's role to provide hc to all.
For those that don't have hi, that's the role of a charity.
I still don't understand why it's the government's role to provide hc to all.
For those that don't have hi, that's the role of a charity.
Good thing socialized healthcare isn’t free. It’s just a shared cost among society. Just like roads aren’t technically free, but they’re more achievable when we all work together to find and regulate their construction.
The guy living under the bridge probably didn’t pay for the bridge upkeep either But I don’t hear you whine about that.
It's society's role to take care of everyone that's a part of it. If you read the New Testament, Jesus is pretty clear about this. And if you role the money out of the companies that they'd normally put towards the over inflated price of health insurance (at ORU it was going to cost me $1200/mo for sub standard insurance with a ton of ridiculous copays), the price tag will go down per person paying into it. There's a way to make it work with minimal impact on normal wage earners like you and me. Now billionaires will pay a little bit more because they can. Again, it's a society.
aTUfan wants to pay Bridgecare at overinflated prices and forbid homeless people from ever sleeping 💤 there. Then where do they sleep? On his property? Then police 🚔 will come take him to jail? The jails will cost him money, and he will start complaining bout that. But he will never get off his couch to bitch, cuz that's too much work. He's just another Archie Bunker.
Decreasing by both year and generation. Biggest single recipient of church giving goes to the churches themselves. https://pushpay.com/blog/church-giving-statistics/ What about the other 99% required?
Are ways to sequester wealth among the rich and let them decide what kinds of ideals and efforts our society should find valuable. They had Church and Charity in the dark ages... but it just so happened that Church and Charity aren’t as good at building societies as democratic governments are when the wealth is more evenly distributed.
When the gov distributes it is doing exactly what you objected to with churches and charities, and it becomes political.
At least the governments distribution is based upon the will of the people. When a billionaire gives to charity he decides what that money will used for and it might not be what the other 99% of people really need. That’s why we need to get the money out of politics, so society as a whole (via voting) gets to decide what we do with the wealth that we’ve all helped produce.
And they're not doing it...so it's a drain and an added cost to all of us anyway. Osteen didn't even want to open the doors of his church to aid hurricane evacuees while he sits on his mountain of tax free money.
The churches (and I'll stay with the big mega churches who are mainly evangelical, charismatic, and non-denomination don't do things like this because it makes them uncomfortable.
You listen too much to Stittiot and Lankford and yet Oklahoma has a high rate of homelessness per capita, one of the highest poverty rates per capita in the country, one of the most under insured populations in the country. The churches simply aren't doing it whether they can or not. And helping people here is not as sexy as going on a medical mission trip to Haiti. It's great they send millions to aid famine in Africa yet they turn their backs on their literal neighbors.
Aren't elections supposed to be opportunities for the people to express their will?
