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US Government removing social media posts it views as misinformation ?

at the time there was scientific evidence that the world was flat and the sun revolved around earth.
Why can't sites just ignore the request? It is an open request that we all know about. What secrecy or coercion is involved? Actually it has made Biden's actions open for public debate. The request is also based on genuine science with an established public benefit during a public health crisis.

If it were a secret, coercive process based on questionable science and benefit, then it deserves condemnation. But I don't see it here. However.....,

Compare that to Trump's having scientific information removed from government websites; replacing scientists on government regulatory committees with lobbyists; and during the pandemic undermining the CDC's messaging and hiring medical hacks (e.g. Scot Atlas) with no public health experience to undermine public health measures. Add in all the other bogus information that Trump admittedly lied about that is still costing lives.
They can likely ignore the requests; however they don’t want to face the backlash of people blaming the platform for many deaths or for swaying the election a certain way because they allowed the distribution of false information. It’s the same reason newspapers printed retractions.
 
They can likely ignore the requests; however they don’t want to face the backlash of people blaming the platform for many deaths or for swaying the election a certain way because they allowed the distribution of false information. It’s the same reason newspapers printed retractions.
OK. Agreed. In fact, I think that is what the hope is. That the public will beome aware of the damage being done and social media will stop running it. I appreciate the concern and damage that government interference with the press can cause, but in this instance isn't sunlight the best disinfectant?
 
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OK. Agreed. In fact, I think that is what the hope is. That the public will beome aware of the damage being done and social media will stop it. Still struggling for what is wrong in this instance. I appreciate the concern and damage that government interference with the press is and am a big fan of the 1st Amendment. But in this instance is the ...a bug or a feature?
I'm a big fan of science. I think there is some relativity here. But in this instance opinion is realative which party is in power and the 1st Amendment still includes freedom of the press.

 
It’s almost like we never witnessed these same sites silencing and sometimes banning those who were suggesting the virus originated in the Wuhan lab based on this same subjective and shifting scientific justification. We should always air on the side of civil liberties and personal freedoms. Appears some have abandoned this standard.
 
this policy eliminates debate and discussion. a chance to hear clear articulate arguments from both sides, and the i choose
 
how the democrats get away with their socialistic, communistic, marxist and
unconstitutional agenda
 
during the trump term, no one was removed from social for opposing him. my how things have changed
 
The government has not removed anyone from social media.

During Trump's administration some social media removed Trump and others for posting obvious lies that were killing people. Biden has only asked that lies be removed because of the deaths they are causing. The job of the President of the US is to protect Americans.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
if they remove lies, then all politicians are history.

as well as main stream media; well they dont lie, they just varnish it
 
The government has not removed anyone from social media.

During Trump's administration some social media removed Trump and others for posting obvious lies that were killing people. Biden has only asked that lies be removed because of the deaths they are causing. The job of the President of the US is to protect Americans.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Social media removed posts and posters for suggesting Covid originated in the Wuhan lab. Is this one of the obvious lies which were killing people of which you’re speaking? Given the now known partnership between social media and the US government which flags such posts there is only a small leap to banning posters critical of a US run lab or other government facility. People who support such actions lack a basic understanding of world history.
 
Free speech is a human right. Free speech prevents dictators from determining what is Disinformation.

One mans disinformation is another mans freedom.
 
Free speech is a human right. Free speech prevents dictators from determining what is Disinformation.

One mans disinformation is another mans freedom.
There are always limits and exceptions to human rights. Take for example the most fundamental freedom. The freedom of life. If you are endangering the lives of others through your conduct, our society reserves the right to cancel your right to life (via self defense, war, or the death penalty).

You have the right to liberty, unless you commit significant enough offenses as defined by the state, that your right to liberty be revoked and you are thrown into prison.

You have the right to own property as an individual. But, if you carry an excessive debt (even debt unrelated to your ownership of the property) your property might be seized. It might also be seized in through eminent domain to make sure that the needs of the many may, with appropriate compensation for lost property, outweighs the needs of the few.

Our task, as a society, is to make sure that limits on any freedoms are well defined (via laws) that they are agreed upon by some majority of the people who are affected (via representation) and that they are fair in their enforcement (via justice) and that they do not disproportianetely harm one party of people due to characteristics of their being that are largely outside their personal control (age, sex, nationality, race, religion).
 
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No one on this thread has offered an example of the Biden administration removing anything. Biden has expressed his opinion about what social media should do about vaccination misinformation. Can anyone here offer an example of a broadcasting license being removed, penalty being assessed or other other punishment of a private company or individual for not doing what the president asked?

Wouldn't it be a dereliction of duty for Biden to have ignored the misinformation is contributing to a surge in the deaths of so many Americans? Didn't he take an oath to protect the country?
 
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Semantics. There is zero difference in the Biden Admin flagging media posts for FB to remove (something they’ve admitted to doing) and removing the post themselves. There is also zero reason to ban posts and posters who claim the virus originated in a Wuhan. There are plenty of other examples as well. I have repeatedly pointed out the danger here. Why is this hard to grasp?
 
Semantics. There is zero difference in the Biden Admin flagging media posts for FB to remove (something they’ve admitted to doing) and removing the post themselves. There is also zero reason to ban posts and posters who claim the virus originated in a Wuhan. There are plenty of other examples as well. I have repeatedly pointed out the danger here. Why is this hard to grasp?
Because there is danger on the other side as well. You point to extremes on one side of a spectrum but ignore extremes on the other when we should be moderating both sides (extreme censorship and extreme speech)
 
the 1st amendment gives both the kkk and blm the right to be heard, even though each is a radical fridge group with a dangerous message, and spew misinformation.
 
Semantics. There is zero difference in the Biden Admin flagging media posts for FB to remove (something they’ve admitted to doing) and removing the post themselves. There is also zero reason to ban posts and posters who claim the virus originated in a Wuhan. There are plenty of other examples as well. I have repeatedly pointed out the danger here. Why is this hard to grasp?
Apparently the only person who should have any limits on expressing his or her opinion is the President of the United States? Still waiting for an example of coercion and penalties.
 
Apparently the only person who should have any limits on expressing his or her opinion is the President of the United States? Still waiting for an example of coercion and penalties.
The President has an open platform for expressing any opinion he or she wishes. The President doesn’t have the right to flag speech and dictate to social media sites that they remove said speech and ban those who post the same. We’ve seen such actions by those in charge many times throughout history. Almost always ends poorly for the citizens who live under such tyranny.

If a Republican Pres was flagging and asking media sites to remove BLM posts and ban those posters during the riots due to public safety (incitement of violence and property destruction) you would be singing a completely different tune. You’re once again putting partisanship over common sense.
 
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Ok you racist A*hole. Yes, there is a difference between the KKK and BLM. When was the last time you saw black lives matter drag someone from their home because they were white, string a rope over a tree and hang that person until they were dead?

How about BLM beating a young teenager so badly that his eye pops out of his his skull before they shoot him and throw his body into a nearby river?

How about a BLM beating a man severely then forcing that man to jump off a bridge to his death?

How about BLM bombing a Sunday school and killing 4 white children between the ages of 11 and 14?

Yeah... that's all stuff that the KKK has done. BLM broke windows and stole things, sure. But they haven't actively sought to murder white conservative Christians.
 
The President has an open platform for expressing any opinion he or she wishes. The President doesn’t have the right to flag speech and dictate to social media sites that they remove said speech and ban those who post the same. We’ve seen such actions by those in charge many times throughout history. Almost always ends poorly for the citizens who live under such tyranny.

If a Republican Pres was flagging and asking media sites to remove BLM posts and ban those posters during the riots due to public safety (incitement of violence and property destruction) you would be singing a completely different tune. You’re once again putting partisanship over common sense.
Honestly, no I wouldn't. We don't allow blanket "free speech" in many of these BLM instances because the cities impose curfews, or they argue that protesters didn't have the correct arbitrary permits specifically with the excuse of maintaining public safety. They may not limit speech in a text format. Instead they limit literal public speech.
 
Honestly, no I wouldn't. We don't allow blanket "free speech" in many of these BLM instances because the cities impose curfews, or they argue that protesters didn't have the correct arbitrary permits specifically with the excuse of maintaining public safety. They may not limit speech in a text format. Instead they limit literal public speech.
False equivalency. There was zero limitation on what they could say. Hell…they were advocating the murdering of peace officers with impunity. Requiring one say his speech across the street or not between 2am and 6am is not close to the same as the government flagging speech and banning the same along with the speaker. To my knowledge BLM was never silenced based on content even when advocating murder. Which is the subject of this thread. If I’m incorrect then please correct me.
 
False equivalency. There was zero limitation on what they could say. Hell…they were advocating the murdering of peace officers with impunity. Requiring one say his speech across the street or not between 2am and 6am is not close to the same as the government flagging speech and banning the same along with the speaker. To my knowledge BLM was never silenced based on content even when advocating murder. Which is the subject of this thread. If I’m incorrect then please correct me.
Limiting where, when, and how you are able to make your speech l, is still limiting speech. I’m not even saying I disagree with them limiting such speech, just that it’s limited in the name of public safety / public nuisance just like what was being done on facebook.
 
Limiting where, when, and how you are able to make your speech l, is still limiting speech. I’m not even saying I disagree with them limiting such speech, just that it’s limited in the name of public safety / public nuisance just like what was being done on facebook.
Stop. FB was limiting speech based on content and it’s an absolute ban. Not a ban from 2am to 6am. Content is the issue here. I understand why you’re trying to divert the conversation away from banning speech based on content but that is the issue at hand.
 
Stop. FB was limiting speech based on content and it’s an absolute ban. Not a ban from 2am to 6am. Content is the issue here. I understand why you’re trying to divert the conversation away from banning speech based on content but that is the issue at hand.
I mean, kind of, the content of the speech does have something to do with how a demonstration is allowed. You're much less likely to have a curfew called for a candle light vigil at 2 AM than you are to have one called for a chanting political movement. They're both forms of free speech though.


I think the real problem, which you pointed out, is that it's an absolute ban. There has to be some sort of appeal process, and it has to be fair to the speech maker.

Again though, Facebook is not a public entity by definition. Our tax dollars aren't paying for facebook's servers like they are paying for our roads, parks, and monuments. Much like I wouldn't expect to be able to go spout athiest + communist sentiments on ORU's campus without their express permission (I would be escorted out by security) I should not expect to make unhindered speech on the platform of a private company. After all, I can't post pornography on the website due to their terms of service. I can't post images of gruesome murders. On some other websites that are okay with that sort of thing, I might be able to. They have freedom to do what they wish with their platform at the request of whomever they want to listen to. You guys threw a fit defending bakers not wanting to put a gay couple on a cake, but when idiot Karens potentially endanger the lives of people, you start to defend the Karens to the detriment of the private company.
 
I can choose to not read FB.
You can choose to ignore the people chanting outside your house much like you choose to ignore the sound of a train that might be nearby. Heck, people in some cities ignore police sirens and gunshots.

If anything that’s silencing free speech just because it inconveniences you. It’s not even for public safety. It’s just because you want your beauty sleep.
 
I mean, kind of, the content of the speech does have something to do with how a demonstration is allowed. You're much less likely to have a curfew called for a candle light vigil at 2 AM than you are to have one called for a chanting political movement. They're both forms of free speech though.


I think the real problem, which you pointed out, is that it's an absolute ban. There has to be some sort of appeal process, and it has to be fair to the speech maker.

Again though, Facebook is not a public entity by definition. Our tax dollars aren't paying for facebook's servers like they are paying for our roads, parks, and monuments. Much like I wouldn't expect to be able to go spout athiest + communist sentiments on ORU's campus without their express permission (I would be escorted out by security) I should not expect to make unhindered speech on the platform of a private company. After all, I can't post pornography on the website due to their terms of service. I can't post images of gruesome murders. On some other websites that are okay with that sort of thing, I might be able to. They have freedom to do what they wish with their platform at the request of whomever they want to listen to. You guys threw a fit defending bakers not wanting to put a gay couple on a cake, but when idiot Karens potentially endanger the lives of people, you start to defend the Karens to the detriment of the private company.
FB lost much of its private company argument when it teamed up with the federal government to censor citizen speech. At that point it’s a pseudo agent for the government to eliminate speech which the Fed’s find objectionable. Not to mention social media is quickly becoming the method which most people get their news and spread speech.
 
FB lost much of its private company argument when it teamed up with the federal government to censor citizen speech. At that point it’s a pseudo agent for the government to eliminate speech which the Fed’s find objectionable. Not to mention social media is quickly becoming the method which most people get their news and spread speech.
I get what you’re saying. The point is, there have always been acceptable limits to free speech even in public forums. Some of them mandated by the government. For example the FCC enforces laws restricting “obscene, profane, or indecent” content from broadcast television. Would you like to complain about that as well?
 
I get what you’re saying. The point is, there have always been acceptable limits to free speech even in public forums. Some of them mandated by the government. For example the FCC enforces laws restricting “obscene, profane, or indecent” content from broadcast television. Would you like to complain about that as well?
If those restrictions prevented the public from criticizing government policies or positions I would absolutely object to such censorship. Don’t really care about restricting the use of a few specific words as long as the overall message isn’t prohibited. We should always scrutinize the banning of speech which is critical of our government using the strictest of standards due to the obvious danger of such restrictions.
 
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