Urgent Men's Basketball Needs

[I.I.]

As most of you know we are competing against other AAC teams for players and most are asking about NIL payments. If we are to compete with the other schools we urgently need to contribute to the new TU NIL collective. I contributed a Men's Basketball Custom donation which is tax deductible. It is time for Original TULSAFAN, astonmartin708, and even panicstricken and all of you to help make a difference in our roster for next year. This may be the most important post I have made in a long time as it will determine our returning to basketball prominence once again. It does not replace your GHC contribution which is still important to TU athletics.

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[astonmartin708]

As most of you know we are competing against other AAC teams for players and most are asking about NIL payments. If we are to compete with the other schools we urgently need to contribute to the new TU NIL collective. I contributed a Men's Basketball Custom donation which is tax deductible. It is time for Original TULSAFAN, astonmartin708, and even panicstricken and all of you to help make a difference in our roster for next year. This may be the most important post I have made in a long time as it will determine our returning to basketball prominence once again. It does not replace your GHC contribution which is still important to TU athletics.

Hurricane Impact | Tulsa University NIL Program | Tulsa, Oklahoma

We are a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization supporting student-athletes attending the University of Tulsa and charitable organizations affiliated with our organization. Donations made to Hurricane Impact will be used to support these student-athletes while these student-athletes lend their...

www.hurricaneimpact.org

I would rather TU’s athletic program and every other program in the country burn to the ground than donate to any NIL Conglomerate. I think it’s fundamentally harmful to college athletics and it misappropriates funds that should go to university academics and won’t support it. If kids want to be pros then they need to go to a pro league.

Get off my lawn!

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I would rather TU’s athletic program and every other program in the country burn to the ground than donate to any NIL Conglomerate. I think it’s fundamentally harmful to college athletics and it misappropriates funds that should go to university academics and won’t support it. If kids want to be pros then they need to go to a pro league.

Get off my lawn!

But you bitch about the coach not doing a good job with the limitations he has.

Bravo!

Kudos to you for doing nothing but bitch.
Keeps money in your pocket and gives you something to occupy your time, irritating people.
You've been doing that your entire life I imagine.

 

[TU_BLA]

I get what Aston is saying...but that's living in fantasy land. NIL is here, it's bastardized college sports, and it's never going away. Our decision as TU alum/fans is are we going to put our athletic teams in the best situation possible to continue competing in division 1 while pursuing success in that competition...or hold to ideals, not support the dept./teams/NIL conglomerate and be OK with us sucking and winning 5 basketball games each year? There is no "Can't support NIL on principle but I still want the coach to be held to the same standard of winning as coaches with NIL support are held to". You cannot have it both ways as much as you want to. This isn't the I want my cake and eat it too...it's more like I want a cake to eat but I also have to bake it but in order to do so, I have to buy the ingredients first.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

There is no "Can't support NIL on principle but I still want the coach to be held to the same standard of winning as coaches with NIL support are held to". You cannot have it both ways as much as you want to.

 

[I.I.]

I would rather TU’s athletic program and every other program in the country burn to the ground than donate to any NIL Conglomerate. I think it’s fundamentally harmful to college athletics and it misappropriates funds that should go to university academics and won’t support it. If kids want to be pros then they need to go to a pro league.

Get off my lawn!

If you don’t donate then quit complaining about our players and go to an academic forum.

 

[TUcandoit]

If you don’t donate then quit complaining about our players and go to an academic forum.

We all have our issues with Aston but this post is just wrong on every aspect. You don't get to chose if and when someone can complain. Donate, don't donate. Everyone has the right to complain. I don't eat at Burger King because I hate their marketing campaigns, I won't vote for people who use attack ads, and it's hard for me to open my wallets when I am being told either donate or shut up.

 

[astonmartin708]

I acknowledge that taking a stance against NIL makes it harder for the coach… my perspective is that there are certain realities to jobs… some companies run lean. Some coaching positions require you to not recruit kids using tattoos. Others require you to compete in an environment where money flows like water and having to sell things other than $$$

 

[chito_and_leon]

We all have our issues with Aston but this post is just wrong on every aspect. You don't get to chose if and when someone can complain. Donate, don't donate. Everyone has the right to complain. I don't eat at Burger King because I hate their marketing campaigns, I won't vote for people who use attack ads, and it's hard for me to open my wallets when I am being told either donate or shut up.

I personally have no problem with II's post. If you have a chance to help solve a problem and you choose not to, then you've lost the moral right to complain about the problem. That's just backseat driving.

 

[chito_and_leon]

I acknowledge that taking a stance against NIL makes it harder for the coach… my perspective is that there are certain realities to jobs… some companies run lean. Some coaching positions require you to not recruit kids using tattoos. Others require you to compete in an environment where money flows like water and having to sell things other than $$$

So do you think TU should prohibit NIL payments, or you just won't put your money toward it?

 

[goldenhurricane2]

So do you think TU should prohibit NIL payments, or you just won't put your money toward it?

He doesn’t put any money towards TU. He has made it clear that we shouldn’t be donating anything because we had to pay for our education and TU got our tuition dollars.

 

[TU Man]

how much NIL money in total do you think the teams in the Elite 8 have rolling?

 

[goldenhurricane2]

We all have our issues with Aston but this post is just wrong on every aspect. You don't get to chose if and when someone can complain. Donate, don't donate. Everyone has the right to complain. I don't eat at Burger King because I hate their marketing campaigns, I won't vote for people who use attack ads, and it's hard for me to open my wallets when I am being told either donate or shut up.

Eh I mean no one is going to physically stop one from complaining (see Aston), but it definitely keeps folks from taking arguments/criticism seriously when one doesn’t put his money where is mouth is.

This is a different day and age and as much as I don’t like the whole NIL monster as it is (I don’t have issue with NIL as it was originally meant to be), it isn’t going anywhere. So if we dig out heels in and refuse to keep up with the Joneses (which we are already pretty far behind some of our peers in this regard), we’re essentially sending our coaches on a wild goose chase. Will they catch one every now and then? Sure it’s possible, but we’ll lose out on substantially more than we attract.

So if we want to see TU athletics be successful, we are going to have to open our wallets.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

how much NIL money in total do you think the teams in the Elite 8 have rolling?

Probably a lot more than we do.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

how much NIL money in total do you think the teams in the Elite 8 have rolling?

Miami & Uconn a ton, San Diego St a decent amount. FAU prolly not much.

 

[TU_BLA]

how much NIL money in total do you think the teams in the Elite 8 have rolling?

There was a report that several of Miami's players are making around $2M from Miami's NIL collective

 

[t-townpod]

The NIL for now is the real deal. I don’t think Konkol will be recruiting players who’s only concerned about NIL. Not the players we or he wants. But when Western Kn can offer large monthly stipends it is time to compete.
I suspect Miami, conneticut and even San Diego state have 7 figure basketball NIL pockets. Not sure about FAU.
Schools like Tulane, WSU, North Texas, etc are killing us when it comes to raising NIL funds. We need to have several thousand a year to provide the needed supppot.

 

[Bill Lowery]

I posted earlier that Miami’s NIL is over $4 mil.

***BREAKING NEWS*** @LifeWallet is proud to announce @NijelPack24 has officially committed to UM as a basketball player. The biggest LifeWallet deal to date, two years $800,000.00 total at $400,000.00 per year plus a car. Congratulations!!!

 

[chito_and_leon]

I would rather TU’s athletic program and every other program in the country burn to the ground than donate to any NIL Conglomerate. I think it’s fundamentally harmful to college athletics and it misappropriates funds that should go to university academics and won’t support it. If kids want to be pros then they need to go to a pro league.

Get off my lawn!

meh, if a bunch of rich, old, mainly white guys want to give their $$ to a bunch of young, mainly non-white, mainly non-rich men and women, more power to them.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

meh, if a bunch of rich, old, mainly white guys want to give their $$ to a bunch of young, mainly non-white, mainly non-rich men and women, more power to them.

We will need more than rich old guys to donate if we want this endeavor to be a sustained success.

 

[chito_and_leon]

We will need more than rich old guys to donate if we want this endeavor to be a sustained success.

It's like anything else, 80%+ of the money will come from < 20% of the people. You can't fight the law of diminishing marginal utility of money.

This is interesting. There is actual marketing value that can come from NILs. This all kind of circles back to Brad's vision of the university. The more the university is part of Tulsa, the higher profile the athletes are in the community and the more marketing value they have, and the more NIL possibilities for companies that want sponsorship activities. It doesn't beat billionaires willing to throw millions around for fun, but it's a nice addition.

LifeWallet signs four Miami football players to NIL deals

 

[t-townpod]

Corporate giving must occur for us to be successful, but seeding the fund with individual donors doing what they can afford will make a difference.

 

[I.I.]

I suspect a basketball budget of around 750K- 1M will keep us in the top half of the AAC. We don't want to be in the bottom half. We have been there and no one is pleased. Some of that would be Corporate money (It only takes one or two sometimes) but a good percentage from loyal TU basketball fans who want to see the best players here and the best basketball. I suspect Selebangue is NIL shopping but who would blame him?

 

[HuffyCane]

As most of you know we are competing against other AAC teams for players and most are asking about NIL payments. If we are to compete with the other schools we urgently need to contribute to the new TU NIL collective. I contributed a Men's Basketball Custom donation which is tax deductible. It is time for Original TULSAFAN, astonmartin708, and even panicstricken and all of you to help make a difference in our roster for next year. This may be the most important post I have made in a long time as it will determine our returning to basketball prominence once again. It does not replace your GHC contribution which is still important to TU athletics.

Hurricane Impact | Tulsa University NIL Program | Tulsa, Oklahoma

We are a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization supporting student-athletes attending the University of Tulsa and charitable organizations affiliated with our organization. Donations made to Hurricane Impact will be used to support these student-athletes while these student-athletes lend their...

www.hurricaneimpact.org

If only this board posted lifetime giving numbers next to someone’s avatar.

 

[mcane]

I hate NIL but I will donate in the hope I never sit through every game like the past season

 

[Henry Kendall]

I hate NIL but I will donate in the hope I never sit through every game like the past season

My feelings exactly.

 

[Original TULSAFAN]

I'm pondering...
I f'in hate the NIL and feel pretty down with the horse that is now college sports and called it years before it finally happened. I think it gets much worse before it gets better. I'm a pessimist.

But, I applaud II for this. I will research further and will ultimately probably donate after I bitch to myself for a few more days......

 

[I.I.]

I'm pondering...
I f'in hate the NIL and feel pretty down with the horse that is now college sports and called it years before it finally happened. I think it gets much worse before it gets better. I'm a pessimist.

But, I applaud II for this. I will research further and will ultimately probably donate after I bitch to myself for a few more days......

Thanks TULSAFAN... I have known you since our days of watching Self's team in the Practice gym. I agree that none of us like what is happening but if me and Seniorgolfer were ever going to get to see TU have a chance to make the NCAA Tournament again , I had to bite the bullet and donate.

 

[astonmartin708]

He doesn’t put any money towards TU. He has made it clear that we shouldn’t be donating anything because we had to pay for our education and TU got our tuition dollars.

Why would you pay the O&M budget for a pro sports budget out of your own pocket? Do you see the NBA pass collection plates in Milwaukee so they can retain Giannis without any rules on the rights the franchise has to his services?

It’ a bit of Lunacy. Is the university going to drop the cost of tickets proportionally or are we just participating in an arms race that we can’t win, against stupid fans from the likes of Ohio State and OU?

 

[astonmartin708]

I posted earlier that Miami’s NIL is over $4 mil.

***BREAKING NEWS*** @LifeWallet is proud to announce @NijelPack24 has officially committed to UM as a basketball player. The biggest LifeWallet deal to date, two years $800,000.00 total at $400,000.00 per year plus a car. Congratulations!!!

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

All this so Jake who couldn’t pass an entrance exam to save his life, will play for a team no one will care about in 10 years while Jane on academic scholarship from the underserved community is forced to ration her daily tuna fish sandwich diet while working to afford room and board and if she had just some more free time might be be able to further cancer research.

It incentivizes high school kids to disregard their studies for short term gains.

 

[dlsnid]

I also don’t want to sit through another season like we just had so I will be donating to both football and basketball

 

[URedskin54]

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

All this so Jake who couldn’t pass an entrance exam to save his life, will play for a team no one will care about in 10 years while Jane on academic scholarship from the underserved community is forced to ration her daily tuna fish sandwich diet while working to afford room and board and if she had just some more free time might be be able to further cancer research.

It incentivizes high school kids to disregard their studies for short term gains.

If your issue is schools and society prioritizing athletics over academics in general how do you justify contributing to it by watching college sports? If no one watched people wouldn’t throw money at it

 

[chito_and_leon]

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

All this so Jake who couldn’t pass an entrance exam to save his life, will play for a team no one will care about in 10 years while Jane on academic scholarship from the underserved community is forced to ration her daily tuna fish sandwich diet while working to afford room and board and if she had just some more free time might be be able to further cancer research.

It incentivizes high school kids to disregard their studies for short term gains.

Because giving money to a poor kid who's smart is socialism, while giving money to a poor kid who plays basketball is capitalism. But seriously, you're about 20 years late in bemoaning this country's decision to vilify education. I suspect that very little of the money going to NILs would otherwise have gone to fund disadvantaged students.

 

[Bill Lowery]

The rich get richer.

 

[Henry Kendall]

The rich get richer.

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Besides the obvious insanity of this, if he underperforms or transfers or gets injured do his paymasters get their money back? They are paying like a professional sports franchise without the contractual structure of one. This will end badly.

 

[t-townpod]

By the way, you can select the sport you want your donation allocated. Go too Hurricaneimpact.org and select the "Teams" tab.

 

[drboobay]

I don't disagree but NIL as implemented is idiotic.

 

[TU_BLA]

The rich get richer.

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He just needs to go to the NBA. The one and done crap with him is stupid. Hope he falls short like the Balls

 

[TUcandoit]

I'll donate to baseball.....oh wait...

 

[TU 1978]

NCAA needs to finally grow a pair and regulate, restrict or eliminate NIL.