I just want the season to be over. I doubt we sink to 12 or 13.
Tulane Game Thread
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Memphis got a bargain for its purported $750,000 for Haggerty this year. Probably got them millions in tournament revenue.
With UTSA beating rice today we need a win or rice to lose to Wichita state on Thursday. That will keep us out of Denton. We have the same conference record as UTSA and we own the tie breaker over UTSA. This has us in the 11 spot.
We can get the 9 seed if we can beat temple and Wichita state as South Florida only has Memphis left.
We can get the 8 seed if we win against temple and Wichita state and temple loses to us and north Texas.
We lose 1 game or south Florida or Wichita state win a game and we will be in 10th.
We get the 11 seed if utsa wins more than we do out of the next 2 and rice loses to Wichita state
We can get the 9 seed if we can beat temple and Wichita state as South Florida only has Memphis left.
We can get the 8 seed if we win against temple and Wichita state and temple loses to us and north Texas.
We lose 1 game or south Florida or Wichita state win a game and we will be in 10th.
We get the 11 seed if utsa wins more than we do out of the next 2 and rice loses to Wichita state
I am frankly shocked how bad we are with our full complement of players.
Sadly, there's a non-trivial possibility that we end up tied with Rice for 11th/12th. We'd have to lose to Temple and @Wichita, which are both extremely doable, likely even. The big protection we have is that Rice would have to be Wichita. Since Rice has lost 13 of their last 15, that seems pretty unlikely. I assume if that all happened and we ended up tied, they'd get 11 because they swept us (think about that for a second, swept by Rice in MBB)?
If rice wins Thursday and we lose both of our games then we get the 11 seed and head to Denton. We win 1 game and we can go no further than 11
We have the 10 spot right now, don't we? We own the tie breaker over UTSA and have the same record.
Utsa is #11, Rice #12, and Charlote #13.
You're better at this than I am so don't know that I'd trust me... Looks like we're tied with UTSA now but they play Charlotte still, I assume they'll win that and end up with 6 wins. The only way we can end up #12 is if we lose both our games, in that case we'd end up with 5 wins. If that happens (likely) and UTSA beats Charlotte (likely) and Rice beats Wichita (unlikely), then UTSA is 10 and we're tied with Rice for 11/12.
Are you sure? I don't know what the tie breaker is, but imagine this...
We lost both games, so does UTSA, and Rice wins their game. Rice has the tie breaker over us. UTSA has the tie breaker over Rice. And we have the tie breaker over UTSA. And we all would finish with 5-13 records. Then it would be how we all finish with the top teams. I am assuming we'd lose that though. UTSA would probably get #10 for going 1-1 with N Texas, Rice would probably get #11 for beating E Carolina, and we would get #12 for beating nobody.
I don't know what the tiebreakers are. I found this on the interwebs
"If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning percentage in the
original mini-conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and
follow this same procedure beginning of Step 1 (Multiple Team Tie)"
But all 3 teams would be 2-2. So that doesn't help.
Then:
Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest
position in the standings. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or
group of tied teams in the standings for comparison. Continue down through the
standings until one or more teams gain an advantage. If two teams have the exact same
advantage (i.e., having the same and better record against a compared team relative to
their mini-conference), they are separated at that point by the two-way tiebreaker
procedure. The next step would take you back to Step 1 (e) (Multiple-Team Tie).
UTSA would get the top seed bc they beat UNT. Then Rice would get the next seed bc they beat ECU. And we'd get the bottom. Maybe???
I hesitate to bring this up but it is hard not to notice.
We are plotting out scenarios to avoid having the bottom seed in the conference tournament. And with some real research and energy.
Technically we're plotting out scenarios to avoid having the 12th seed in the conference tournament, we're safe from 13th. But that obviously doesn't change your point. We're probably actually better off with the 12th seed, we'd get Charlotte in a free game then ECU instead of FAU in the next game, though I wouldn't put losing to Charlotte below us.
Who cares? Everyone around the program even board members were told by him he was staying. So, he took the money and left his integrity.
I counted 11 students at the game on Saturday. There was an all day fraternity leadership event going on or there would have been at least 1 more.
Most of us remember the days where we watched the tickers of each bubble team and rooted for them to lose to help our NCAA chances.
If Georgia and 250 other teams were to lose 25 games in the next week, we'd have a chance! I'm on the edge of my seat!
Rice has one game left and that is Wichita state. We win one game and they are a nobody. They have the tie breaker over us and we have it over UTSA. UTSA has two games left. Memphis at home and charlotte on the road. UTSA has a shot at either of these because Memphis doesn’t play great on the road and charlotte is in the toilet.
If rice beats Wichita state and we lose both and utsa loses both then UTSA goes to Denton. If UTSA wins one of those games and we lose both and rice wins against the shockers the. We go to Denton.
If everyone loses everything left we get the 10 seed.
If rice loses, we lose both and utsa wins one game we get the 11 seed
I don't think this is right. In this case, I think we go to Denton because it's a 3 way tie and looks at record against the other 2, and all 3 of us are 2-2 against the others. The next tiebreaker goes to UTSA so they're at 10. Then the tiebreaker between us and Rice goes to Rice based on head to head so they get 11, and we get 12.
I don't think UTSA will be part of the equation tho bc they play Charlotte still and with that win, they can't tie Rice.
We need for us to win 1 or for Rice to lose at Wichita if we want to avoid 12.
https://theamerican.org/documents/2014/2/11/tiebreakers.pdf
That “mini conference” is throwing me off. You might be right on the three way tie thing. I will concede that. Rice loses or we win one game (hopefully temple) then we avoid Denton. For the 10 seed we have to fare better than UTSA through this two game stretch
I think he and I are right on the 5-13 tie between the three of us. He was just restating what I said before, about that tie. If you look at that post he was answering from me, I had already come to the same conclusion. He is just restating my post with his answer. It all ends up with the same.
The people who make these up I believe have been smoking something. Like I said I’ll concede as that thing makes my head hurt lol
I showed my work. Weren't you literally a teacher? You should know, no full credit without showing work. I thought it would be helpful for people who are interested, if there were any such people, to see for themselves how the seedings are done rather than relying on your edicts from on high.
And fwiw, which I recognize is nothing, your comment that "We lost both games, so does UTSA, and Rice wins their game. Rice has the tie breaker over us. UTSA has the tie breaker over Rice. And we have the tie breaker over UTSA." is technically incorrect. In that scenario, nobody has the tiebreaker over anyone, it's another 3-way tie, everyone has a record of 2-2. There is no pair-wise tiebreaker with more than 2 teams tied. If someone had a tiebreaker at that point, then you'd never get to the performance against best teams criterion.
I have never been a teacher. The closest I've ever come has been when I assisted my calculus teacher with the whole class for the entire class, because he admitted not knowing calculus to the whole class.
I was lazy and didn't show my work, who cares. Whether you go by the mini conference or the fact that you all hold tie breakers with each other in a 3 way tie, it comes out the same.(if you all played the same # of games against each other, which we did.) Just a different way of saying it. You just are using a different proof, with same result. I was doing exactly what you were doing just not showing my work on comparisons to top ranked records who won against the best. I took us who won against none of the top 4, and compared with UTSA who beat #2,. so they were higher than us. Rice didn't win against the top 4, so it was between us to see which one beat the highest ranked team. Rice beat E Carolina and we didn't, so they were below UTSA. We were the lowest on the totem pole cuz we didn't beat anybody.
I took shortcuts and didn't feel like explaining them. You double checked that I was right. That was my purpose with the post. So thanks for making sure I had it right. You are a great fact checker. You should check if the paper has any part time jobs.
There is always something there(you) to remind me.(that I'm right)
Swiftie is the bestest!!!
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Ok, you can have all the credit, it obviously means a great deal to you.I have never been a teacher. The closest I've ever come has been when I assisted my calculus teacher with the whole class for the entire class, because he admitted not knowing calculus to the whole class.
I was lazy and didn't show my work, who cares. Whether you go by the mini conference or the fact that you all hold tie breakers with each other in a 3 way tie, it comes out the same.(if you all played the same # of games against each other, which we did.) Just a different way of saying it. You just are using a different proof, with same result. I was doing exactly what you were doing just not showing my work on comparisons to top ranked records who won against the best. I took us who won against none of the top 4, and compared with UTSA who beat #2,. so they were higher than us. Rice didn't win against the top 4, so it was between us to see which one beat the highest ranked team. Rice beat E Carolina and we didn't, so they were below UTSA. We were the lowest on the totem pole cuz we didn't beat anybody.
I took shortcuts and didn't feel like explaining them. You double checked that I was right. That was my purpose with the post. So thanks for making sure I had it right. You are a great fact checker. You should check if the paper has any part time jobs.
There is always something there(you) to remind me.(that I'm right)
Swiftie is the bestest!!!
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So last night during the UNT/Wichita State broadcast, ESPN said if the season ended today, Tulsa is the 10 seed.
And with that...how the **** did we lose to Rice by 20+? That alone tells me Konkol needs to be gone after this season.
100%. Getting blown out by rice is....special.
If we keep him another season we are admitting we don't care about basketball at all. Show me something Justin Moore.
He has had his full team for the last month and no improvement of results. I don't see things getting better now or next season, unless I am unaware of some structural issue that puts us behind our conference mates.
If the season had ended on January 26, we would have been in a 3 way tie for 7th. The longer we play, the farther behind we get.
Rice has a NET of 195 compared to our 280. Losing to them is no surprise, Rice is just a better team than we are. I'll let you sit with that for a while.
