Tubby to Memphis
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Tubby Smith has reached an agreement in principle to be Memphis' next coach, a source told @CBSSports. Formal announcement expected soon.
4:56 AM - 14 Apr 2016
He won't win a title at Memphis. I like Tubby and what he is about as a coach. He does it the right way. He is probably as revered in Tulsa and at TU as Nolan Richardson...but I wonder what the reception will be like with him coming in as Memphis' coach. I don't like Memphis. As far as I can remember, Nolan is the only former TU coach who brought one of his teams back to Tulsa to play. Tubby hasn't (only meeting was in the NCAA tournament in StL in 2002), Robinson hasn't been back, Self hasn't been back to either ORU or TU (although ORU beat Billy up in Lawrence a few years back), neither has Buzz, Phillips, or DW. If nothing else, that game here in Tulsa should at least be close to a sell-out because old time fans will want to see this spectacle.
Dislike. Tubby has moved around too much at the end of his career. Memphis has some jerk fans (they aren't all bad) a sa jerk administration. They don't deserve him.
It must be a bunch because it's been reported he made $1.8 mil at Tech and they offered $1 mil + to keep him. Tubby is a great coach and person, as we all know, and can get the most out of his players.
He hasn't been a great recruiter but the 2017 and 2018 classes in the Memphis area are loaded with talent. He shouldn't have any trouble keeping most of them in Memphis.
He hasn't been a great recruiter but the 2017 and 2018 classes in the Memphis area are loaded with talent. He shouldn't have any trouble keeping most of them in Memphis.
I'm not afraid of more competition in the AAC. This year shows that a 3 way tie for 3rd can be good enough for an NCAA berth. Tulsa World headline: Tubby leaves Power-5 for Mid-Major job. What a joke the continuing use of Power 5 is by the OU-OSU beat writers. And, today, a fluff piece on a walk-on level Sutton grandson at ORU when TU's new 9 is the big story. Yes, the Sutton piece is sentimental but it's all about OSU readers.
What is he going to give them, 3 or 4 seasons? Or is he going to coach past 70? I wonder if he plans to retire after Memphis? Wonder if that kid that requested his release will still leave. Will be interesting to see which players stay and which young punks follow Pastner. Hopefully not too many will ask for a transfer. Will be interesting to follow.
Larry Brown...75
SDSUs Fisher...71
Jim Boehiem...71
Coach K...69
Jim Larranaga...66
64 isn't old...but this will be where he makes his 'last stand'
Tubby just keeps moving closer and closer to Tulsa. I agree with Gold, six jobs in 25 years seems a bit odd and too much for a guy we all love. Does Saul have a kid ready to play point guard b/c the Memphis fans will loooooooove that just as much as the Kentucky folks love Saul's playing career.
He would not recruit a pg here since GG was graduating. His decision to start Saul over the All Americans was the start of his downfall with the Kentucky fans. They said he won with Pitinos players which was fairly accurate. But he did a great job coaching. Seems to always be looking for greener grass.
At least he turned down the OU job after the 1994 season. That would have been disastrous.
I think he will win big in Memphis. Great recruiting area, top tier program in their (our) conference. Tubby just took Big XII bottom feeder, Texas Tech, to NCAA tournament. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a lot of NCAA success in Memphis.
I hate to have him in our conference, because he's my favorite TU coach, but I agree he deserves a program with better potential than his last 2 stops.
I hate to have him in our conference, because he's my favorite TU coach, but I agree he deserves a program with better potential than his last 2 stops.
Tubby - the Todd Graham of basketball.
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Tubby likes to be at places that appreciate basketball and not a place that tolerates basketball because it isn't football season (Georgia, Minnesota, Texas Tech). While Memphis football is up and coming, Memphis the city and university, are really basketball places. As far as the age comparison, K is the one on the list above who is likely to retire first out of all of those guys. His health has been an issue the last few seasons.
Texas Tech thinks their membership in the Big XII makes them a legit basketball school. They must be reading the Tulsa World. Memphis is a much better job than Tech.
It was weird watching Tubby coach Kentucky against us in the NCAA. At one point when TU was on a good run, he looked down to Phillips and Phillips just shrugged.
Maybe I should have said since he's done anything great. He's outstanding no question at getting the most out of the talent on hand, but if great coaching is both getting the most out of talent and bringing together talent, resulting in a high ranking or deep tourney run then it's been a while. Given the talent at Memphis, it probably will play to his strength for a few years.
I remember when he was at Minny, he was able to come into Memphis and get Austin and Andre Hollins...he has some experience recruiting Memphis.
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I'm fine with getting ***/**** kids and coaching them up
Tubby won his National Championshop with 7 returning Pitino players from the previous year's championship game.
Never another Final Four.
But he will make Memphis an AAC contender.
Never another Final Four.
But he will make Memphis an AAC contender.
Tubby did a great job for our program. I will wish him success unless they are playing TU.
Happy for Tubby, hate it that he is at Memphis. Still my favorite TU coach of all time. Memphis you hit a home run. Class, Character and he will win.
GO TU!!!!
GO TU!!!!
4h4 hours ago
Dave Sittler @DaveSittler
Tubby Smith's taking Pooh Williamson with him to Memphis. It's the next step in Pooh's eventual return "home" as Tulsa's head coach.
Interesting tweet from Sittler. What makes him think that after 10 years from not getting the HC job at Tulsa and no other HC jobs during that time (I heard he interviewed at Tech), why would he be ready to return to Tulsa with no previous HC experience.
The last coach we hired had coached in the ACC and SEC with success. Coming back to an assistant's job in the same league as Tulsa, doesn't seem would make him a HC candidate when Haith leaves. If Tech didn't want him, why would we.
I loved Pooh as a player but I know from experience that Pooh was not a good evaluator or recruiter while at Tulsa. Chris is aware of this. I was sitting next to Pooh at a game he definately wasn't recruiting the right player. As it turned out, not to my surprise, the one he chose was terrible and the other was a 3 year starter on a Big12 team.
I never understood his logic as we discussed the 2 players. I feel that was part of the reason we recruited during the JP era guys like Vernel Davis, Deion James, Trevor Meier, Oswaldo Gonzales, G Teichman, Yusif Baker, Chris Wallace Aliou Keita, Brian Cardwell.
As I stated, Pooh is one of my all time favorite players. I saw an analyst tweet a few days ago asking if Pooh was on Tubby's staff because he was a great recruiter or a great X and O's coach. Maybe he's improved as a recruiter or maybe he is a great X and O's coach and a great teacher. I wish him all the best but just found Sittler's tweet really weird and not based on any facts.
That's Sittler pulling for "his" guy. Didn't he play the entire game against Illinois without any TOs? It was something ridiculous and almost unheard of for a PG stat in an OT game, especially considering how fast we liked to play back then.
Pooh was the first person I met at TU when I transferred in. He was shooting in the old Mabee Gym and he came up to me and said hi and we talked for about 10 minutes. When he came back on campus as one of JPs assistants, I was then an employee of the university and he remembered me when I was showing them around campus housing options for players. I won't ever say a disparaging thing about Pooh. There's always more to them than what they do for a living.
Pooh was the first person I met at TU when I transferred in. He was shooting in the old Mabee Gym and he came up to me and said hi and we talked for about 10 minutes. When he came back on campus as one of JPs assistants, I was then an employee of the university and he remembered me when I was showing them around campus housing options for players. I won't ever say a disparaging thing about Pooh. There's always more to them than what they do for a living.
Pooh is Tubby's assistant because he is a five star quality individual and is one of the primary reasons Tubby achieved two sweet sixteens and enhanced Tubby's career by doing so. Pooh was Tubby's first Division 1 signee. Tubby is extremely loyal to Pooh. I don't think Pooh will ever again be the head coach at Tulsa. It doesn't mean he is not one of my all time favorites as a player and as a person.
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folks want to credit Pitino for Tubby's title...but 1) Tubby coached the team, he earned that title 2) what about his Elite Eight's in year 6 and year 8? those were Tubby's kids out making Elite Eight's and Sweet 16s.
hell, he's taken 3 different programs to the Sweet 16.
He choose to take the Tech job, could have sat out a year if he was looking for basketball school. I think he's a coaching junkie and likes a good challenge, and loyalty or legacy is not a priority. I don't know the specifics, but it sounded like he was at the table with TU back in 2012, but the total compensation for his staff was an issue. I'm guessing if he was offered a similar commitment to what Haith received from TU it would have been a done deal. However, in the long run I think TU is better off with Haith. Tubby to Tulsa would have been as short-sighted as SMU hiring Brown. Tubby would have instantly sold tickets like Brown, but I have doubts he would have been able to recruit to TU on the same level. If Brown doesn't have instant success I doubt he stays in the lead chair this long. What really put Brown and SMU over the top was snatching Jankovich from Illinois State and him bringing Nic Moore, instant leading scorer.
Also, i'm not so sure most don't see Minnesota as a basketball school. They are well removed from the Clem Haskin's golden era, but I have always gotten the impression that basketball season in "The Barn" is a close 2nd to Hockey season for the UM fan base.
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I would agree Tubby is a coaching junkie and that he does look forward to a good challenge. It's why he left Kentucky for Minnesota and then to Tech. Minnesota is more of a football school than a basketball school...same with all of the B1Gs (except maybe Illinois).
I understood the main reason Tubby didn't get the Tulsa job was his insistence that his son Saul take over the HC job when Tubby decided to retire.
I see that was not agreed to at Tech either. Saul's title at Tech was Director of Video Production. I doubt neither Tech or Memphis would agree with that request. Maybe after the Tulsa interview and Saul getting attested for DUI while on the staff at Minnrdota caused Tubby to drop trying to get Saul to follow him as a HC anywhere.
I think Tubby will do an excellent job at Memphis. He's my favorite Tulsa HC, with Nolan and Self right behind. As I've said before, Memphis city high school basketball is loaded with talent for the next few years, especially in 2018 and 2019.
Remember, Papa Lawson has 2 younger boys who are supposed to be better than their older brothers currently on Memphis team.
With his ability to teach and coach up players, he'll have Memphis a powerhouse before too long. He'll be great for the league and should help the RPI's of each conference team.
I see that was not agreed to at Tech either. Saul's title at Tech was Director of Video Production. I doubt neither Tech or Memphis would agree with that request. Maybe after the Tulsa interview and Saul getting attested for DUI while on the staff at Minnrdota caused Tubby to drop trying to get Saul to follow him as a HC anywhere.
I think Tubby will do an excellent job at Memphis. He's my favorite Tulsa HC, with Nolan and Self right behind. As I've said before, Memphis city high school basketball is loaded with talent for the next few years, especially in 2018 and 2019.
Remember, Papa Lawson has 2 younger boys who are supposed to be better than their older brothers currently on Memphis team.
With his ability to teach and coach up players, he'll have Memphis a powerhouse before too long. He'll be great for the league and should help the RPI's of each conference team.
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