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[chito_and_leon]

There’s no CEO in the country more responsible for the performance of their entity than a college head football/basketball coach. Well…maybe before the NIL era. Comparing to non profit CEO is rather silly imo. Football programs at schools like OU has an objective of making money. In part to fund all those Olympic sports who are dependent on those dollars

"There’s no CEO in the country more responsible for the performance of their entity than a college head football/basketball coach." Please, this is just untrue. Small companies of a similar size are usually cults of personality around the CEO. I work with lots of CEOs and this comment is just naive.

You might think a nonprofit or government employee is not a reasonable comparison but do you really think OU's coach is worth 28 times more than the Jenks superintendent? $133m is a small amount of revenue, maybe his job matters to other sports so they don't get sad but he's not running an organization that's generating tons of cash, this is a small revenue operation. NovoNordisc paid its CEO $8m on revenue of $85.7B (B, not M). Hormel paid its CEO $8m on revenue of $3B. $8m cash on revenue of $133m is way, way out of line with typical CEO salary (though CEOs usually have stock or options). I'd expect him to get cash under $1m at a small company of similar size, not to mention that he's more like the CEO of a subsidiary, which positions get paid even less.

 

[lawpoke87]

"There’s no CEO in the country more responsible for the performance of their entity than a college head football/basketball coach." Please, this is just untrue. Small companies of a similar size are usually cults of personality around the CEO. I work with lots of CEOs and this comment is just naive.

You might think a nonprofit or government employee is not a reasonable comparison but do you really think OU's coach is worth 28 times more than the Jenks superintendent? $133m is a small amount of revenue, maybe his job matters to other sports so they don't get sad but he's not running an organization that's generating tons of cash, this is a small revenue operation. NovoNordisc paid its CEO $8m on revenue of $85.7B (B, not M). Hormel paid its CEO $8m on revenue of $3B. $8m cash on revenue of $133m is way, way out of line with typical CEO salary (though CEOs usually have stock or options). I'd expect him to get cash under $1m at a small company of similar size, not to mention that he's more like the CEO of a subsidiary, which positions get paid even less.

I’m not arguing OU’s coach should be paid $8M a year. I am arguing that no CEO is more responsible for their entity’s performance than a college head football/basketball coach. Jenks schools continue to function in basically the same manner regardless of the superintendent. College football/basketball programs not so much. Unfortunately we have seen evidence here at TU in the last decade. Again….not trying to justify these salaries. I am saying the CEOs you’re talking about don’t have near the effect on the company’s performance as the HC. We both know they’re being paid what they are in large part due to pressure from the schools alumni base.

 

[chito_and_leon]

I’m not arguing OU’s coach should be paid $8M a year. I am arguing that no CEO is more responsible for their entity’s performance than a college head football/basketball coach. Jenks schools continue to function in basically the same manner regardless of the superintendent. College football/basketball programs not so much. Unfortunately we have seen evidence here at TU in the last decade. Again….not trying to justify these salaries. I am saying the CEOs you’re talking about don’t have near the effect on the company’s performance as the HC. We both know they’re being paid what they are in large part due to pressure from the schools alumni base.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I just don't think this is true, especially at a small shop equivalent in size to a football team (the Hormel CEO manages a team of 20,000 employees so his situation is different). Bad CEOs come in and companies of all sizes tank but especially small companies. If a CEO dies, companies can go out of business. I think there is more continuity for a college football team than a similarly sized company bc football is basically a subsidiary and won't just go away no matter how bad it is.

The coach salary is set by the market so in a sense the question of whether it's fair makes no sense, it is what the market will support. On the other hand, it's a reasonable question whether that is a valuable societal use of resources. Free markets can support efforts that are foolish.

 

[Bill Lowery]

We need a pg?

 

[chito_and_leon]

We need a pg?

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In his defense, it's not just all about the money 😂

 

[dlsnid]

He better get it now I don’t think he is nba material doesn’t shoot 3’s that good.

 

[TU 1978]

 

[TU 1978]

 

[TU 1978]

 

[Gmoney4WW]

He better get it now I don’t think he is nba material doesn’t shoot 3’s that good.

Look at last season's stats. You are not the first to not look at last season's stats. He shot 36.4% in 3's last season. And he has another year or two work on that before trying his hand at the NBA. I don't think he's NBA material, but it's because he initiates the contact often, when he gets fouls called.

 

[loca2874]

We need a pg?

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You shtop it right there sir

 

[lawpoke87]

Look at last season's stats. You are not the first to not look at last season's stats. He shot 36.4% in 3's last season. And he has another year or two work on that before trying his hand at the NBA. I don't think he's NBA material, but it's because he initiates the contact often, when he gets fouls called.

He also improved over 6 percentage points from three from his freshman to his sophomore year. Love or hate him the kid works on his game. I have no idea if he will be successful in the NBA. I do remember most posters here dismissing Jordan Clarkson’s chances though. How that turn out?

 

[nevadanatural]

I haven’t watched NBA basketball since Bird retired so I have no idea if he’s NBA material or not but I think he’ll get a serious look just because of his ability to put the ball in the hole. He’s the best pure scorer (not shooter) I can remember on a TU team.

 

[TulsaAM]

This. is. not. semi-pro.

This is professional athletics. When you are clearing 4 million dollars get real.

It isn't the top tier of the "profession" so I use semi-pro

 

[chito_and_leon]

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LOL, Layla-J is not here for even a little bit of your $hit so just keep it to yourself. I love her expression in that picture. BTW, she's a JUCO All-American...

 

[loca2874]

Looks like we just got a 6' 11" Center from Georgia Tech in Doryan Onwuchekwa. Played one year at Tech but apparently didnt play past december. Played in 10 games total. Last played on 12/15/24.

From the Georgia Tech page apparently stopped playing for personal Reasons. He is from Dallas Texas. Maybe wanted something closer to home.

2024-25 (freshman at Georgia Tech)

Played in 10 games, starting 8 in the post … Averaged 18.2 minutes per game, high of 27:03 vs. Texas Southern … Did not play after Dec. 15 for personal reasons … Averaged 3.5 ppg and 5.1 rpg in his 8 starts (3.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg for the season) … Set season highs of seven points and 11 boards vs. Georgia … Turned the ball over just 4 times, blocked 6 shots

 

[I.I.]

High risk, high reward ? Look at all of his stats closely.

 

[chito_and_leon]

High risk, high reward ? Look at all of his stats closely.

He clearly just didn't find his footing at Ga Tech for whatever reason, maybe the same personal thing that kept him to 10 games. He shot 38% from 3 in HS. On a 40 minute basis he averaged more than 10 rebounds a game at Ga Tech but never found his shot at all, the one thing he was really good at was fouling. At the right place, he can certainly be a solid stretch 5 giving very good rebounding, good point production and decent rim protection. We not getting a guy who averaged 20/10 last year, we have to take some risks. I like this signing a lot. Be darn sure he has a 2 year contract with the second year being a team option. I could see him giving us 16 and 10 and getting $3m next spring (or not panning out).

 

[TU Sepp]

I haven’t watched NBA basketball since Bird retired so I have no idea if he’s NBA material or not but I think he’ll get a serious look just because of his ability to put the ball in the hole. He’s the best pure scorer (not shooter) I can remember on a TU team.

He might be at least 3rd behind Steve Bracey and Willie Biles! If either of these players had a 3-point line Haggarty would not be in the conversation! Also, Rick Parks and Ron Carson would have torn it up with a 3-point line.

 

[Bill Lowery]

He clearly just didn't find his footing at Ga Tech for whatever reason, maybe the same personal thing that kept him to 10 games. He shot 38% from 3 in HS. On a 40 minute basis he averaged more than 10 rebounds a game at Ga Tech but never found his shot at all, the one thing he was really good at was fouling. At the right place, he can certainly be a solid stretch 5 giving very good rebounding, good point production and decent rim protection. We not getting a guy who averaged 20/10 last we must realizeyear, we have to take some risks. I like this signing a lot. Be darn sure he has a 2 year contract with the second year being a team option. I could see him giving us 16 and 10 and getting $3m next spring (or not panning out).

Good post. We must realize he just finished his freshman year and has played a total of 10 games at the D1 level. Stats from his high school and AAU days shows he’s a much better shooter than he showed in 10 games as a 18 year.

Playing AAU ball in 2023-24, he played 14 games, averaging 16.3 pts, shooting 72.3% of his field goals (24-33), 90.9% of his fts (10-11) and 50% of his 3-ptrs (1-2). He also avgd 9 rbs/game.

In high school in the Dallas area, he averaged 16 points, 10 rebounds and two blocks as a senior while hitting 38 percent of his three-point shots.

His Georgia Tech Head Coach had this to say about him:
Coach Stoudamire says – “Doryan is one of the better shooting bigs in the country. He’s really worked on his body, losing 50 pounds within the last year, which showed his commitment to be the best player he can be. As he gets stronger, again just like Darrion, he can impact our program for years to come.”

He also was plagued by injuries during his freshman year.

(Onwuchekwa has decided to join Tulsa to continue his college career after spending his freshman year at Georgia Tech. The 6-foot-11 freshman dealt with a myriad of injuries during his first collegiate season, appearing in just 10 games (eight starts), averaging 3.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 0.8 assists and 0.6 blocks on 18.2 minutes per game.)

We’ve had a lot of speculation about him getting kicked off the team for not wanting to play inside. We don’t know what his personal issues were but I doubt he was kicked off the team.

If you watched any of his videos you can tell he’s very talented, echoing what Coach Stoudamire said about him. He’s a young big man, and we know that big men generally take longer to develop. To start as a 18 year old freshman in the ACC means he’s talented. He was more effective than our own Jerome Jordan was as a true freshman. Let’s hope he comes close to what Jordan accomplished at Tulsa.

 

[loca2874]

Good post. We must realize he just finished his freshman year and has played a total of 10 games at the D1 level. Stats from his high school and AAU days shows he’s a much better shooter than he showed in 10 games as a 18 year.

Playing AAU ball in 2023-24, he played 14 games, averaging 16.3 pts, shooting 72.3% of his field goals (24-33), 90.9% of his fts (10-11) and 50% of his 3-ptrs (1-2). He also avgd 9 rbs/game.

In high school in the Dallas area, he averaged 16 points, 10 rebounds and two blocks as a senior while hitting 38 percent of his three-point shots.

His Georgia Tech Head Coach had this to say about him:
Coach Stoudamire says – “Doryan is one of the better shooting bigs in the country. He’s really worked on his body, losing 50 pounds within the last year, which showed his commitment to be the best player he can be. As he gets stronger, again just like Darrion, he can impact our program for years to come.”

He also was plagued by injuries during his freshman year.

(Onwuchekwa has decided to join Tulsa to continue his college career after spending his freshman year at Georgia Tech. The 6-foot-11 freshman dealt with a myriad of injuries during his first collegiate season, appearing in just 10 games (eight starts), averaging 3.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 0.8 assists and 0.6 blocks on 18.2 minutes per game.)

We’ve had a lot of speculation about him getting kicked off the team for not wanting to play inside. We don’t know what his personal issues were but I doubt he was kicked off the team.

If you watched any of his videos you can tell he’s very talented, echoing what Coach Stoudamire said about him. He’s a young big man, and we know that big men generally take longer to develop. To start as a 18 year old freshman in the ACC means he’s talented. He was more effective than our own Jerome Jordan was as a true freshman. Let’s hope he comes close to what Jordan accomplished at Tulsa.

The plagued by injuries is my concern. You see what those injuries did to our schedule last year. Injuries are a part of the game but a players best ability is availability. If you don’t have that then your a liability

 

[I.I.]

Good post. We must realize he just finished his freshman year and has played a total of 10 games at the D1 level. Stats from his high school and AAU days shows he’s a much better shooter than he showed in 10 games as a 18 year.

Playing AAU ball in 2023-24, he played 14 games, averaging 16.3 pts, shooting 72.3% of his field goals (24-33), 90.9% of his fts (10-11) and 50% of his 3-ptrs (1-2). He also avgd 9 rbs/game.

In high school in the Dallas area, he averaged 16 points, 10 rebounds and two blocks as a senior while hitting 38 percent of his three-point shots.

His Georgia Tech Head Coach had this to say about him:
Coach Stoudamire says – “Doryan is one of the better shooting bigs in the country. He’s really worked on his body, losing 50 pounds within the last year, which showed his commitment to be the best player he can be. As he gets stronger, again just like Darrion, he can impact our program for years to come.”

He also was plagued by injuries during his freshman year.

(Onwuchekwa has decided to join Tulsa to continue his college career after spending his freshman year at Georgia Tech. The 6-foot-11 freshman dealt with a myriad of injuries during his first collegiate season, appearing in just 10 games (eight starts), averaging 3.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 0.8 assists and 0.6 blocks on 18.2 minutes per game.)

We’ve had a lot of speculation about him getting kicked off the team for not wanting to play inside. We don’t know what his personal issues were but I doubt he was kicked off the team.

If you watched any of his videos you can tell he’s very talented, echoing what Coach Stoudamire said about him. He’s a young big man, and we know that big men generally take longer to develop. To start as a 18 year old freshman in the ACC means he’s talented. He was more effective than our own Jerome Jordan was as a true freshman. Let’s hope he comes close to what Jordan accomplished at Tulsa.

Saving this post. You get a 5 star rating if you are right.

 

[Bill Lowery]

Saving this post. You get a 5 star rating if you are right.

The problem in today’s environment is if he does pan out and has a great year at Tulsa, we won’t be able to keep him, like we did with Jordan.

 

[I.I.]

The problem in today’s environment is if he does pan out and has a great year at Tulsa, we won’t be able to keep him, like we did with Jordan.

That's the reason I would probably only look at Seniors or Grads who have proved themselves. But bigs at that level who have proven themselves are almost 7 figures. You have to hope a Freshman or Soph develops into Freshman or Soph of the year like Haggerty did.

 

[astonmartin708]

He might be at least 3rd behind Steve Bracey and Willie Biles! If either of these players had a 3-point line Haggarty would not be in the conversation! Also, Rick Parks and Ron Carson would have torn it up with a 3-point line.

I found Justin Hurtt to be someone who was more fun to watch than Haggerty in terms of athleticism and putting the ball in the basket. Haggerty makes a living at the freethrow line and has the benefit of looking for circus shot And-1's which only serve to improve his mediocre shooting percentages.

Hurtt just sank them in your face and did it with one of the sweetest lefty jumpshots Tulsa has ever seen.

Hurtt didn't have as much success as I think any of us would have like under Dougie... but it would be sad to forget him when he played for us for 4 seasons and led us to better records than Haggerty did and he did it against tougher strengths of schedule.

P.S. Imagine having:

A 20 ppg scoring guard. (Hurtt)
A future NBA 6th man of the year and a C-USA freshman of the year (Clarkson)
One of the leading 3 point makers in school history (Haralson)
A 6-11 Center who put up 12 pts and 6 boards a night (Idlet)

...and only winning 19 games and missing the post season. Should have fired Dougie a season earlier.

 

[t-townpod]

I found Justin Hurtt to be someone who was more fun to watch in terms of athleticism and putting the ball in the basket. Haggerty makes a living at the freethrow line and has the benefit of looking for And-1's which only serve to improve his mediocre shooting percentages.

Hurtt just sank them in your face and did it with one of the sweetest lefty jumpshots Tulsa has ever seen.

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Hurtt didn't have as much success as I think any of us would have like under Dougie... but it would be sad to forget him when he played for us for 4 seasons and led us to better records than Haggerty did and he did it against tougher strengths of schedule.

P.S. Imagine having:

A 20 ppg scoring guard. (Hurtt)
A future NBA 6th man of the year and a C-USA freshman of the year (Clarkson)
One of the leading 3 point makers in school history (Haralson)
A 6-11 Center who put up 12 pts and 6 boards a night (Idlet)

...and only winning 19 games and missing the post season. Should have fired Dougie a season earlier.

miss used clarkson. Could have been a special season

 

[astonmartin708]

miss used clarkson. Could have been a special season

Something you notice when you look closely at those that video? 2 players getting a ton of minutes.... Joe Richard and (walk-on) Shane Heirmann. We had a carousel of undertalented PG's that year, and a forward who could be completely ignored offensively.

 

[Lumpuckeroo]

I haven’t watched NBA basketball since Bird retired so I have no idea if he’s NBA material or not but I think he’ll get a serious look just because of his ability to put the ball in the hole. He’s the best pure scorer (not shooter) I can remember on a TU team.

Not according to Steve Harris

 

[nevadanatural]

Not according to Steve Harris

Steve Harris was a shooter, Haggerty is a scorer. I’m not sure how to explain it but there’s a difference. Ricky Ross is probably a better comparison than Harris or Harrison.

 

[I.I.]

The only TU player that I have seen who I thought every three point shot was going in was Dante Swanson. I think he was close to leading the nation one year. (close to 49%)

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Steve Harris was a shooter, Haggerty is a scorer. I’m not sure how to explain it but there’s a difference. Ricky Ross is probably a better comparison than Harris or Harrison.

When I think of a shooter versus a scorer...

I think of a scorer as a term with a little bit more vulgarity and a little less art form, compared to a shooter.

 

[TulsaAM]

Not according to Steve Harris

This

 

[Weatherdemon]

Don’t know if they’re transfers or not.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Don’t know if they’re transfers or not.

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They are. Just waiting on the more recent Juco and transfer Popoola & Onwuchekwa to sign.

 

[drboobay]

I am, unfortunately, not sure about this part. The NCAA MBB tournament had the highest viewership since 2017. I personally can't understand watching a team of mercenaries at a school with no history but lots of $$ to buy players, and I watched none except when tethered to the treadmill at the gym, but there are a lot of things that people do for entertainment that I don't understand (Joe Rogan, looking at you). If the product sells, it sells. Hopefully it won't.

I watched maybe 15 minutes total. Hard to relate. Like you say.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

I haven’t watched NBA basketball since Bird retired so I have no idea if he’s NBA material or not but I think he’ll get a serious look just because of his ability to put the ball in the hole. He’s the best pure scorer (not shooter) I can remember on a TU team.

Not many NBA prospects stay in school more than two years these days. If he’s not gone by now he’s probably not going.