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That would result in the NCAA ceasing to be a player in major college football. Their end is near anyway. Coordinating a lockout would only serve to speed up the process.
Everyone keeps talking about the NCAA sucking but what is the alternative, a more minor super league?. What would make it a better entity? They get more money? You still have the crazy transfer issues. They would have to be controlling, too, and act like a minor league professional environment, right?
Why would the university D1 football schools locking out players kill the NCAA? That is just one sport in one portion of the school. Well, maybe they have to do all of them and force them into some contracts.
How can these universities keep wanting this mess? It is killing fans.
The coaches don't even want to hold spring games because they are scared of losing their players. It is too funny. It's as if these people can't watch tape or something? OU had like 5k fans at their spring "combine." Who wants to watch that?
They can't act like this isn't professional athletics now because it is. These players don't like criticism, but they are asking for millions, and the universities are essentially demanding "donations" from fans to keep their seats.
So those donations are paying these players who are unloyal, suck and don't work and then don't want criticism and then don't want to act like they aren't professional athletes. The whole thing is a joke.
The money has gotten so out of control, and TV is driving the whole thing. Twenty-five years ago, Tulsa made a huge, huge deal to raise $ 1 million to keep Bill Self and offer him a contract to stay.
Fourteen years later, little old Tulsa paid $ 1.7 million to get gold chain-wearing slanging, Rolex-wearing Frank Haith to walk off his private jet from Missouri and lead us to the promised land.
That Bill Self offer was after years of NCAA tournaments and an Elite-Eight year. Frank was after one NCAA tournament trip in 12 years.
It's a little crazy to put into perspective how times change.
Fourteen years later, little old Tulsa paid $ 1.7 million to get gold chain-wearing slanging, Rolex-wearing Frank Haith to walk off his private jet from Missouri and lead us to the promised land.
That Bill Self offer was after years of NCAA tournaments and an Elite-Eight year. Frank was after one NCAA tournament trip in 12 years.
It's a little crazy to put into perspective how times change.
All those 5 years ago screaming to pay the players. I want to slap every single one of you! I hated this from the get go - they were getting paid. They had food stipends, they had free nutritionalists, they had $200,000k education for free, they had their lodging for free. They were already getting PAID!!!!!! but soooo many of the fans including a lot on this board were fighting for them to get paid. I BLAME all of you who wanted NIL!!!!!! You did this to sports! Y'all suck!
Settle down, Brenda. The players deserved to get paid then and deserve to get paid now. This isn't their fault and it's hard to support a system that prevents the workers from negotiating their pay, that's a little too socialist for me. The problem is that college sports are a pro league with none of the restrictions that every other pro league has. This will get resolved, otherwise the system will fall apart. Now, it's likely to get resolved in a way that we as fans of TU don't like, at least in the short run, but the system will mature, and if we're on the outside, that's an unfortunate reflection of decisions TU and the city and state have made over the years, but the market speaks and we can't blame it.
I am, unfortunately, not sure about this part. The NCAA MBB tournament had the highest viewership since 2017. I personally can't understand watching a team of mercenaries at a school with no history but lots of $$ to buy players, and I watched none except when tethered to the treadmill at the gym, but there are a lot of things that people do for entertainment that I don't understand (Joe Rogan, looking at you). If the product sells, it sells. Hopefully it won't.
Ok, Karen. They were getting paid before, way more than any other student on campus. Do you think education is free? Do you think scholarships are a conspiracy theory? What do you think an athletic scholarship is? It's an agreement that you come to our school to play sports and in return we pay you back with a free education, room and board, the best doctors and nutritionists, etc. They were getting paid more than enough.
I tend to agree with you until the trainers are getting paid 1M and the coaches are clearing 10M.
I am very, very conflicted on this. It was already professional on some level, no matter what people claimed. The scholarships were only year-to-year, and the coaches could kick them off at any time. Now it is just undeniable.
I'm sorry, I just can't understand that. Everybody else in college sports is free to negotiate whatever deal they want and allowed to demand their true market value. But players, the only ones who are actually required to produce the product that generates vast wealth, were given a cap on compensation and required to accept a certain kind of compensation (like making a Burger King worker accept their pay in Burger King food). They were getting paid way, way under their market value while everyone else was getting ludicrously rich. That's either socialism or the old company towns of the robber baron days. Either way, it's not capitalism and it's un-American.
Do you know what will slow things down...start taxing the schools because of the athletics programs clearing $50-100M per year because of TV. And then force the schools to either split off from the athletics dept so they can keep their non-profit status and then those depts. will also have to stop using University in their name. They will have to incorporate as professional teams and then they will become what they've actually become...minor league teams.
Let's not forget that none of the universities wanted this...it was all necessitated and hastened by court rulings that pretty much everything collegiate athletics was doing was in violation of antitrust law. Then they neutered the NCAA rule on transfer as violation of antitrust. Then the courts did away with eligibility rules stating they were a violation of antitrust and now you can have a guy that plays 4 years of NAIA ball and 4 years of NCAA football....before long you're gonna have a bunch of 28 year old Brandon Weeden-like seniors. And it wouldn't surprise me if you get a kid who leaves early and then decides to go back to college because the pros isn't working out...he hasn't exhausted his eligibility and there's no such thing as amateurism in the NCAA any longer.
Yeah, the courts have basically applied the rules that apply to US labor markets generally to this market. Imagine if Target, Walmart and Costco agreed that a checker at one couldn't go to the others to get more money, it's great for their businesses bc labor cost is slashed but not great for the checker. Same story here.
Some people at some universities have wanted this forever - people at schools have been paying players for a long time. In some ways, this is like going back to the 50s when boosters would show up at a player's house with bags of money. Schools came up with the ncaa enforcement back then, they'll settle on something now too.
It'll be too late. The die hard fans of he little schools are just not interested any more. They literally have no path to a championship in the major sports and pretty soon that's going to trickle down to the Olympic sports so all that's left are the P4 conferences with TV deals. I ain't watching when that happens. I haven't been to a TU football game in about 5 years because the combo of us just sucking on top of the fact that we will never get to enjoy a Zaven Collins or a Tyler Smith type of player again because the second they enjoy some success, OU or Texas or Arkansas will show up at their parents' house with $500k or more. TU would have never had a shot at Jerome Jordan in the NIL era because one of the P4s would have come in and paid him $250k as a largely unknown FR who was 7' and then worked from there.
The only people who will still be watching are the fans of the primary players in football and basketball and the die hard gamblers.
This is right. No Steve Harris, No Shea Seals, No Eric Coley, all four year starters. Only if we get lucky in the portal with Graduates and Seniors for the one year we have them.
I didn't even watch the NCAA tournament for the first time in my life. No point. By the time they fix it, it will be way past too late. They have ruined college sports.
They'll come back if the little schools end up in a league that's interesting and allows them to be competitive and isn't just a minor league. It'll feel a lot like the old time college sports that we used to love and will differentiate from Pro Young Players League by things that don't just involve less money. Think of tomorrow, not how things are today. There's an audience there, maybe not as much as for the pro league but big enough to make it work and be interesting.
I no more believe that you'd pass up on a TU championship game than a meth head would pass on a fix 😂
Yes just like MLB rebounded after the strike. the World series before 1994 averaged 35-50 million viewers. The world series 30 later was only 15 million views and that was the best in 7 years. You piss off fans, they stayed piss. I think you are living in a little bit of delusion if you think college sports will be just fine.
I watched some the 1st weekend but mostly only caught bits and parts of games after that just because I didn't make it a priority to be home and watch because it really wasn't that interesting.
The problem for MLB isn't the strike, it's that it's boring. The 95 and 96 series had as many viewers as the 92 and 93 series. Presumably fans didn't get over it for a few years then decide "boy, now that I've had a couple years to think about it, that strike really makes me mad!"
I think college sports at our level will be much different but fine in a different way. Maybe not fine for any individual fan, but fine in aggregate.
See now I know I can't take anything you say seriously. Baseball is the most entertaining sport there is bar none.
I went to an MLB game last year with the new rules and it really was very entertaining. We hadn't been for a couple of years, I'll definitely go back for a game or two this year.
Baseball has bigger problems. It is a boring sport. But some think otherwise. I don't know why. To each there own. This is America. You get to choose.
Memphis lost the other 4 starters and he is the best player in the portal. He will make good money and possibly play for a championship somewhere else.
This was always the ending when the NIL came to be. College athletics is over, highest bidder semi-pro sport on campus is here.
This. is. not. semi-pro.
This is professional athletics. When you are clearing 4 million dollars get real.
I wonder, is it legal for schools to require players to be students at that school? If Target, Walmart and Costco each had a university and agreed among themselves that they would require players to go their university, even though the university is completely unrelated to the job, I think that would be illegal... It's really going to be fun if that happens.
Obviously the current system is broken, something has to change to restore sanity.
That’s a good question- but I would say yes? I know people whose work is “contingent upon working towards a master’s degree”. Aka if they’re not actively pursuing one then they can be fired.
I don't know but I think if it's an issue, the difference from your friends is (a) the schools got together and agreed they'd all require it so there is a cartel, not just one employer, and (b) they require that the employee "buy" the educational services from the school they work for, the players can't get their degree anywhere, they have to buy from their employer. An interesting thing is that in the case that said the NCAA can't count years spent at a JUCO, the court didn't find the rule violated the rights of the player, it violated the rights of the JUCOs. Basically, a cartel got together and agreed that their employees couldn't buy from certain "sellers" and that violated the rights of those other sellers. That seems pretty similar, why shouldn't an employee of OU be allowed to get their degree from Langston, and isn't Langston hurt if OU prohibits its employees from studying at Langston? I'm talking myself into it... Can't wait, the train wreck will be awesome.
They were already getting paid within the confines of the governance structure of the league. There were just a bunch of agents who wanted a pay day, and congressmen who wanted to be able to buy their wins like the Yankees rather than earn them.
4 schools in 4 years. These teams need to dissolve ties with the Universities and become club teams like European soccer. Let's not pretend these kids have any interest in school anymore. Also, they have more than enough cash that they can pay for school themselves if they find it worth their time someday.
P.S. the Ohio States of the world should not be able to claim non-profit status for their athletic programs.
P.P.S. I say blow it all up and televise intramurals. I would prefer to see actual students play while the player-coach Kappa Sig vice president chugs a beer and has a cigarette at halftime.
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If recruiting is becoming mainly about pure$$, I would think coaches like Penny would be less valuable.
His only strength seemed to recruiting kids off of his NBA star reputation. His weaknesses are assembling a cohesive team, developing players and his bench coaching.
If other schools can buy away his best players, he doesn’t have much going for him.
His only strength seemed to recruiting kids off of his NBA star reputation. His weaknesses are assembling a cohesive team, developing players and his bench coaching.
If other schools can buy away his best players, he doesn’t have much going for him.
I think last year's WS was one that outside of LA and NY, casual fans didn't feel a need to watch. Why? Because those two teams have the most $ and spend more than the other teams. Free agency is a good thing, having no salary cap in MLB is going to ensure that LA and NY will be in the world series more often than not.
I am ok with players getting paid , what bothers me more is how much these coaches make
I get it. Suppose you need to ask yourself…..how much should the head of an organization bringing in $135M per year in revenue be compensated ?
I guess it depends on what the coach does. Does he manage the entire fundraising effort and licensing, manage stadium upkeep, manage the bus services, etc.? I suspect most coaches are less like CEOs and more like SVP of Product but I don't really know.
The Regional Food Bank of OK is the largest nonprofit in OK, with revenue of about $113m per year, their CEO gets paid a little under $190k. Jenks schools have a budget of $144m and their superintendent gets paid ~$290k.
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I’m not saying coaches should make peanuts , but if sports are bringing in that much , that money should go to the players too, not just the coach
There’s no CEO in the country more responsible for the performance of their entity than a college head football/basketball coach. Well…maybe before the NIL era. Comparing to non profit CEO is rather silly imo. Football programs at schools like OU has an objective of making money. In part to fund all those Olympic sports who are dependent on those dollars
