Mid-Majors, can they win in the NIL world?

[TU_BLA]

Here’s another sign of the times we’re in:

Last Wednesday, Xavier beats Texas.
On Friday, Xavier loses to Illinois.
On Sunday, Texas fires their head coach. Today(Tuesday), Xavier’s coach is introduced as the new head coach of Texas.
6 days for the complete process.

BTW, Texas old coach had 3 years left on a 3 million per year contract….no problem for them.

Texas is so full of themselves. Terry is an excellent basketball coach and even they feel the NIL BS because he is having to replace 8-10 players every season too (some NIL, some 1 and dones). And I just saw that Xavier hired Richard Pitino as their new HC...that should be a fun battle when he squares off against dad.

There's a rumor that Cronin might be taking the Villanova job. I'm not sure he enjoys the big city lights of LA so much plus there is the added pressure of being John Wooden at UCLA and that is simply not happening in this climate. And I think the B1G travel for UCLA is probably really crappy for basketball.

 

[TU_BLA]

OU got a top womens player for what Jim Trabor says was 1 to 1.5 million. That’s crazy he said they lost money in women’s basketball like 10 million

And that $1M (if true), is 10X + the starting salary for a rookie in the WNBA. People were speculating that JuJu Watkins might make the jump after her sophomore season but it wouldn't make sense financially (after her ACL tear the other day, I think it's a moot point). Angel Reese has been complaining that the WNBA rookie salary is barely enough for her living expenses (of course she's trying to live the lavish, run with a posse, lifestyle). So, if the top players are commanding 6 and 7 figure NIL deals in college, why would they ever leave early on the women's side until the WNBA salary structure improves?

For the lawyers out there....now that schools are directly involved in negotiating and paying the NIL, would those deals at public institutions then be subject to FOIA act like coaches and other employee salaries at those schools? I mean you see a story every year about how the football coach at said school (or even in HS districts) is the highest paid employee of the school or district and how the Tulsa World can't include TU's salary breakdown because TU is private and not subject to having to report those figures. Just wondering. We could FOIA Haggerty's NILor this new player for OU...could some private school coaches leverage that, get the info, and then up the NIL figure?

 

[HuffyCane]

Texas is so full of themselves. Terry is an excellent basketball coach and even they feel the NIL BS because he is having to replace 8-10 players every season too (some NIL, some 1 and dones). And I just saw that Xavier hired Richard Pitino as their new HC...that should be a fun battle when he squares off against dad.

There's a rumor that Cronin might be taking the Villanova job. I'm not sure he enjoys the big city lights of LA so much plus there is the added ipressure of being John Wooden at UCLA and that is simply not happening in this climate. And I think the B1G travel for UCLA is probably really crappy for basketball.

UCLA is delusional. $50 million in deficit spending every year for the last four years. Doubling their debt to a disputed $400 million. During that time that have dramatically increased spending, partly to cover interest on previous spending. Still last year, despite a projected $45 million deficit they actually exceeded, they hired 13 additional coaches for revenue negative sports, remodeled their athletes only dining facility, made upgrades to revenue negative housing, and spent additional discretionary sums in academic support like new electronics.

Men’s Basketball’s share of the debt was greater than the entire budget of the Tulsa Bball program, if you count salaries and not counting NIL. Still they added a trip to Hawaii and several games on the east coast.

The Big 10 is making them spend $15 million on facilities upgrades including a TV studio. The school gave them that money and more to cover debt payments. $30 million total in additional direct support.

Ticket sales, donations, logo licensing and fee payments like parking and bookstore sales all way down over last four years.

Overall revenue has been about 30% less than 2019 the last few years in the aggregate.

The California political leadership makes them cut off $10 million a year for other schools at lower levels.

They left Leerfield and got another broadcast partner because revenue was dramatically down. Leerfield itself might fold.

In kitchen table logic, their spending has gone up $30 million this past year and revenues have declined $30 million. Debt is three times operating budget.

But they give every freshman bball player $1 million, because they won a bunch of basketball games in the 60’s and 70’s when nobody cared much about basketball and most still don’t.

And they are in relatively good shape amongst large P2 schools. They have the yearly Big 10 check to stay afloat.

There are schools in the Big 12 in similar condition who have no idea if they will be the next Oregon State or not in 3 years.

If Cronin leaves, it won’t be because of the extra free trips to Hawaii, that’s for sure. It will be because they got housed by Tennessee and their checks might start bouncing.

 

[HuffyCane]

And that $1M (if true), is 10X + the starting salary for a rookie in the WNBA. People were speculating that JuJu Watkins might make the jump after her sophomore season but it wouldn't make sense financially (after her ACL tear the other day, I think it's a moot point). Angel Reese has been complaining that the WNBA rookie salary is barely enough for her living expenses (of course she's trying to live the lavish, run with a posse, lifestyle). So, if the top players are commanding 6 and 7 figure NIL deals in college, why would they ever leave early on the women's side until the WNBA salary structure improves?

For the lawyers out there....now that schools are directly involved in negotiating and paying the NIL, would those deals at public institutions then be subject to FOIA act like coaches and other employee salaries at those schools? I mean you see a story every year about how the football coach at said school (or even in HS districts) is the highest paid employee of the school or district and how the Tulsa World can't include TU's salary breakdown because TU is private and not subject to having to report those figures. Just wondering. We could FOIA Haggerty's NILor this new player for OU...could some private school coaches leverage that, get the info, and then up the NIL figure?

Many states, about 20, particularly in the south, have broad public records laws that require institutional disclosure of NIL deals that they have records on. One of the obstacles to the clearinghouse system approving the NIL deals proposed in the House settlement is that some deals would be public coming from some states and others would not be public. That’s also why you see some websites publish NIL valuations and others publish actual dollar amounts. There are already several competing software companies that charge a fee to search their database of deals they’ve documented through public records requests. It will take decades to change this sport because of wrinkles like this. Or they could just certify a union and mandate disclosure.

 

[TUMU]

College sports has gone insane.
Financially following the path of our national debt.

 

['Cane-man]

College sports has gone insane.
Financially following the path of our national debt.

It's a feeding frenzy which is leading college athletics off the rails. I'm sure there are several other overused phrases that apply as well.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

What if the universities got together, put together a system and then did a player lockout?

 

[TU Sepp]

NO, they cannot win big in the NIL world!

Today the motto is "Spend big or go home"!

 

[TUcandoit]

If this most boring NCAA tournament ever hasn't taught us anything... It's that mid majors can no longer compete. NIL has officially killed college sports.

 

[lawpoke87]

If this most boring NCAA tournament ever hasn't taught us anything... It's that mid majors can no longer compete. NIL has officially killed college sports.

Seems the general public is liking what they’re seeing…at least thru the first two rounds. TV ratings are at a 32 year high.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Seems the general public is liking what they’re seeing…at least thru the first two rounds. TV ratings are at a 32 year high.

That's the first two rounds when there was still mid major & small teams trying to get to the sweet 16. I'm waiting to see what the sweet 16 and final 8 viewership is like with no real upsets.

 

[nevadanatural]

I would like to have seen a Cinderella or two but these games are anything but boring. Some very close games.

 

[I.I.]

I would like to have seen a Cinderella or two but these games are anything but boring. Some very close games.

Don't you love hearing them say " they were at North Texas last year or they played at Temple , Iona, Wichita State, or USF last year or Florida Atlantic last year." Just think that without NIL and the instant portal some of those teams also might have had a Cinderella chance.
How do you think all those teams and their thousands of fans feel?

 

[chito_and_leon]

Leaving this out there for consideration. Saw another article that power conferences are worried about this enough that they've started working up plans to offset these schools "advantages". BTW, there were no non-power conf. teams in the 2019 sweet 16 either so there is precedent for this from before NIL.

Basketball-centric schools without football may soon gain major advantage. Here's how

 

[eastcane]

I would like to have seen a Cinderella or two but these games are anything but boring. Some very close games.

These at the top of the chart are basically professional teams, Cinderella took two to the back of the head with the advent of NIL She'll never be seen again in D-1.

 

[HuffyCane]

I think we will see the NCAA out of the tournament business in 2033 and an NIT type championship of 32 teams of the sixty or so who commit to spending the maximum amount under House or how ever they end up consolidating the sport.

 

[TUcandoit]

I think they will just stop playing altogether, look at which team spent the most money and award them the championship before the season even starts. You know they dont want their million dollar athletes being hurt by actually playing in a game they were paid to play.

 

[Bill Lowery]

Some years back, before the NCAA tournament expanded the number of teams playing in it, the NIT was the most prestigious tournament. I can recall watching the NIT when I was a very young teenager in the early 60’s. Providence was the dominant team back then, with Len Wilfong and Vinnie Ernst.

 

[HuffyCane]

Some years back, before the NCAA tournament expanded the number of teams playing in it, the NIT was the most prestigious tournament. I can recall watching the NIT when I was a very young teenager in the early 60’s. Providence was the dominant team back then, with Len Wilfong and Vinnie Ernst.

Exactly. All of the changes in college athletics and the undoing of NCAA regulation is a concerted attempt to return college sports to the early 1950’s environment of several select schools in the Big Ten and the SEC doing whatever they want and paying whatever they want and deciding who is on TV and who isn’t. Just like in 1952. The NIT tournament was always a big part of that.

You do that, in part, but cutting the NCAA off from their billion dollar pay day/wealth redistribution scheme, while suing away their ability to retaliate.