We hear a lot on here about how mid-majors and smaller schools can't win because they lose any upcoming talent every year. Will be interesting to see. A couple have won and a couple got close. Doesn't seem worse than the pre-NIL days?
Mid-Majors, can they win in the NIL world?
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NIL, and more specifically the transfer situation gives a lot of opportunity to coaches who are smart enough and good enough evaluators to exploit it. Even bigger bonus if they are able to install a cohesive scheme quickly.
Not a single non power conference school left after the first weekend. Wonder how often that has occurred ?
ESPN said over 100 top mid major players were poached this year and this has caused the " abrupt end of March madness surprises from the mid majors".
They are all out. Only one that came even close was Colorado St with a 1 point loss to Maryland. I'm not going to go by a one year possible irregularity. But it isn't looking good. They are going to lose a big part of their audience without the Cinderellas to root for. Hepe they are happy if this continues the trend every year.
So I don’t intend to watch the tourney going forward this year
Who cares if KY or Duke win
I don’t
Who cares if KY or Duke win
I don’t
This is the first year since the tournament expanded to 64 that no 13-16 seed made it out of the first round. I’m hoping this is a one off but I’m afraid it isn’t. You’re right that the average fan watches march madness for the upsets and Cinderella teams. Without that they’ll lose a lot of viewers and that translates to a loss of ad money.
My bad Memphis was a 12. Hopefully, it was a weird year. but I am inclined to side with you.
College basketball and football are professional sports. There is no question anymore. If you are argue otherwise , you are just a denialist and utterly vapid moron.
College basketball and football are professional sports. There is no question anymore. If you are argue otherwise , you are just a denialist and utterly vapid moron.
This just shows you it does not matter how good your coach is, the levels of money the P5 schools have over mid-conference is too much to overcome.
The same thing is happening with women’s bb as well. Look at Poindexter being poached from us and how it greatly helped KSU get to the next level and hurt us in the process.
March madness will lose its luster. The excitement of magical upsets were what glued people to television for 1st and 2nd round games.
It used to be recruiting + coaching and recruiting was 80% and coaching 20%
Now it is NIL 60%, Recruiting properly with your NIL money 20%, coaching 20%
You can win sometimes with a poor coach, (Memphis) but rarely do you win with inferior talent.
Now it is NIL 60%, Recruiting properly with your NIL money 20%, coaching 20%
You can win sometimes with a poor coach, (Memphis) but rarely do you win with inferior talent.
Iowa hires Drake's McCollum......... Don't eliminate D2 coaches in search.
Prior to taking over at Drake, McCollum was one of the most successful college basketball coaches in the country at Division II Northwest Missouri State. He led the Bearcats to four Division II national championships and a 394-91 record during his 15 seasons at the helm.
Prior to taking over at Drake, McCollum was one of the most successful college basketball coaches in the country at Division II Northwest Missouri State. He led the Bearcats to four Division II national championships and a 394-91 record during his 15 seasons at the helm.
The 2019 Sweet 16 didn't have any mid-majors and they came back strong in 2020. I think it's too early to say. There were a lot of mid-major teams in games until down the stretch and didn't get over the hump. Maybe that's permanent or maybe it was just this year. In any event, I don't think of NIL as a sea change, the big conference schools have had the money to have every advantage and benefit for years, it's not like suddenly there is a money difference.
I beg to differ. There’s a big difference between “look at our nice facilities” and “here’s a half million dollars kid”.
Yes, sure. But I think the bigger issue is the unlimited transfers and immediate eligibility. I suspect a very large % of people who have transferred would have transferred without NIL, though there are surely some who would have stayed without the monetary inducement. There needs to be some way for schools to lock players in for at least 2 years if not 3.
I've been pushing for us to look at Brett Ballard at Washburn in Topeka, KS. He's had them at #1 most of the season and they've made the Elite Eight of the D2 tournament this year. But he's been very successful there the last 3-4 years. He can flat out coach. He's a Kansas grad, and I think a student assistant under Self, then video coordinator, and then Director of Ops under Self at KU. Had a stint at Baker and then was on Manning's staffs at Tulsa and Wake Forest before getting the Washburn gig in 2017. I don't know if his previous TU experience and being part of Manning's staff is a black mark, but I think he has the potential to be a great coach.
Again, the question for any of these lower level coaches these days is how well do the understand the NIL business and how do they market what TU has to potential transfers and players? And, how do you re-recruit the players on your roster to keep them from jumping ship every year? What is his approach going to be to building a brand new roster every season in the current NIL/transfer portal climate? Those are the most important questions any coaching candidate needs to answer....their coaching and development philosophy is now secondary because if you do well at developing a player, it's likely they're leaving for a P5 and more NIL $.
At some point though, knowing how to navigate NIL is going to lose out to can you actually coach...see Penny. I believe Ballard has the 2nd part down...does he understand the first part well enough to make that jump.
Yes, that would be nice. If I had to guess, I imagine it's more realistic to get some lock-in than parity on NIL, I can't see that ever happening.
Drake's last 3 coaches are Niko Medved, hired today at Minnesota, Darian DeVrie, now coach at Indiana, and McCollum going to Iowa. Might I suggest that we hire their AD??
Two year deals exist. Haven’t heard of three yet. Probably a few maybe, especially if injury related.
The difference is up until 4 years ago the money in payroll was not widely reported and transfer possibilities weren’t inflating values.
Now we have an SEC school that can spend 4% of its media payout on payroll for basketball and put a Final Four team on the floor. Or TU can put roughly half of our media payout into a winning team. Or a lower tiered school can spend all of their media money and borrow the difference against the next two or three years of media proceeds and maybe get those same players for one year. Or recruit a whale or a corporation to sponsor you.
This isn’t sustainable.
It took 40 years but it looks like the original CFA finally won.
Seems that it's up in the air whether multi-year agreements are enforceable. Anyway, they need to be the norm, otherwise why would a player sign one unless they had no choice? Having 2 or 3 years with a player lets the schools take advantage of some of the benefit of developing and gain the benefit of team cohesion across seasons, which used to be an advantage for smaller schools but no longer is available.
Why Wisconsin DB Xavier Lucas' transfer to Miami triggered tampering accusations, potential legal battle
It is time for contracts. I think the big schools should be saddled with the terrible high school players they decide pour millions on.
There needs to be a restriction on number of transfers. One transfer allowed and that’s it. This bs is unsustainable.
Unfortunately the courts have ruled that violates antitrust. NCAA is powerless in this instance. The schools have to do this one their own but as long as the $$$ is flowing to the big boys, they don't care. They will care once people stop watching and the money from advertisers starts drying up....or the schools get slapped with tax bills because college sports is no longer not for profit.
Which I think some of those consequences will start to happen over the next decade.
Here’s another sign of the times we’re in:
Last Wednesday, Xavier beats Texas.
On Friday, Xavier loses to Illinois.
On Sunday, Texas fires their head coach. Today(Tuesday), Xavier’s coach is introduced as the new head coach of Texas.
6 days for the complete process.
BTW, Texas old coach had 3 years left on a 3 million per year contract….no problem for them.
Last Wednesday, Xavier beats Texas.
On Friday, Xavier loses to Illinois.
On Sunday, Texas fires their head coach. Today(Tuesday), Xavier’s coach is introduced as the new head coach of Texas.
6 days for the complete process.
BTW, Texas old coach had 3 years left on a 3 million per year contract….no problem for them.
It has caught up to them. Many are desperate to make minimum debt financing payments AND balance revenue negative sports with rapidly increasing costs.
Borrowing more to stay afloat is not favorable right now.
They simply can’t take the drop in donations that comes with going 7-6. The loss in donations is greater than the buyout.
They have to feed the monster.
There are schools with bad debt hidden in various places on and off campus that exceeds $300 million.
For them, conference realignment and the bigger pay day is less about pushing competitive advantage than it is they simply need more money to stay afloat and keep the status quo in an inflationary economy with high interest rates and a sudden 30% increase in overhead.
