It’s both. By all accounts I have heard, they are paranoid and convinced that war with the west will happen, eventually. So they are making sure they are ready, which can be a self-fulfilling prophecy of wanting to be militarily dominant themselves. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they take a page from the Bush ‘preemptive strike‘ playbook against any western nation if an opportunity arose that gave them a critical advantage. Thus, the cat and mouse game with them and the pseudo soft Cold War standoff we have with them.Wha’s the evidence that China‘s roots involve war other resisting military dominance and attacks by the west or Japan?
May they have a bunch of fun doing it.China just rubbing our noses in it at this point
Admitttedly the build up of the Chinese military and their extending their claims of sovereignty outward from their borders is worrisome. But Japan, the US and the west bear some responsibility on China's concerns. The US has repeatedly engaged in military actions either directly in China or in a neighboring countries multiple times.. Japan invaded China in the early 30's and still doesn't teach its students about the Rape of Nanking. Another example is the Hong Kong lease resulted from China's losing the Opium war that China fought to stop decades of high volume drug running by western countries that addicted a huge percentage of its population. IP theft? China had a worldwide monopoly on silk production until the Brits stole silk worms and started production in India. As for going to war? The US has been in a constant state of warfare far from it's own shores since WW2, much it in Asia or countries thousands of miles away. As a result the US has over 150 bases overseas, while China has a handful.It’s both. By all accounts I have heard, they are paranoid and convinced that war with the west will happen, eventually. So they are making sure they are ready, which can be a self-fulfilling prophecy of wanting to be militarily dominant themselves. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they take a page from the Bush ‘preemptive strike‘ playbook against any western nation if an opportunity arose that gave them a critical advantage. Thus, the cat and mouse game with them and the pseudo soft Cold War standoff we have with them.
The good news is that they aren’t ready for a global war. And neither are we for that matter. But they will continue to build up and exert dominance in any way that they can until they are dominant and sure we are no threat to them, even if it takes a hundred years or more.
Your love of China 🇨🇳 is a little bit extreme. U defend them at every turn. Just when I think you have used every bullet in your justification quiver, you pull out another arrow.Admitttedly the build up of the Chinese military and their extending their claims of sovereignty outward from their borders is worrisome. But Japan, the US and the west bear some responsibility on China's concerns. The US has repeatedly engaged in military actions either directly in China or in a neighboring countries multiple times.. Japan invaded China in the early 30's and still doesn't teach its students about the Rape of Nanking. Another example is the Hong Kong lease resulted from China's losing the Opium war that China fought to stop decades of high volume drug running by western countries that addicted a huge percentage of its population. IP theft? China had a worldwide monopoly on silk production until the Brits stole silk worms and started production in India. As for going to war? The US has been in a constant state of warfare far from it's own shores since WW2, much it in Asia or countries thousands of miles away. As a result the US has over 150 bases overseas, while China has a handful.
Now that China has or soon will have the world's largest economy and its repeated dominance by foreign countries, it would be insane for them to not have a military sufficient to protect itself. So far China has focused on extending it's control into border areas that it historically controlled. Taiwan is particularly sensitive as it is where US backed Chiang Ka Shek fled after losing to Mao, taking everyting he could steal with him.
What is also worrisome is that there are multiple historical examples of a rising nation and a dominant nation going to war because of distrust. Examples go back to the Peloponnesian Wars between Sparta and Athens. Distrust and the talk of warfare as inevitable seems to be rampant these days, especially with Trump, despite the fact that both the US and China's economies are deeply intertwined and have benefitted each other. A self-fulfilling prophecy?
Both sides have gripes, but demonizing each other for domestic political gain is both pointless and dangerous.
I mean, Hans Bethe worked at Los Alamos, but need I remind you that so did countless others that weren’t German. And it had never been done before. At best, we borrowed a couple of their scientists to get the original job done, not copy something.Unrelated, but I’ve always been under the impression that IP protections are historically futile over a long enough period of time. The west stole silk, they also stole Coffee Beans which were a closely guarded commodity of the Arabs. The Americans stole railroads and manufacturing technology from the brits and nuclear / rocket tech from the Germans and everyone is stealing digital tech from us and Japan.
I’m not arguing that other countries did or didn’t do the same things. Just that trying to protect IP is fundamentally impossibleI mean, Hans Bethe worked at Los Alamos, but need I remind you that so did countless others that weren’t German. And it had never been done before. At best, we borrowed a couple of their scientists to get the original job done, not copy something.
A better example if you want to talk stolen nuke technology would be how the Soviets managed to jumpstart their program so quickly. Ethel and Jules Rosenberg helped with that bit and were executed. As did Klaus Fuchs, who was a friend of Hans Bethe and worked directly with him, so you know he had loads of relevant information.
Sure. My only point was that Americans didn’t steal nuke technology, which you implied. We invented it.I’m not arguing that other countries did or didn’t do the same things. Just that trying to protect IP is fundamentally impossible
So glad you cleared it up..This point is to understand so we can deal with China effectively. Judge all you want but one's judgement will likely be better if made with a full understanding of how we got here and how (and why) our views differ from China's.
Yes, I don't Putin's Russia which has and continues to interfer in our elections, repeatedly hacked our companies and undermined critical infrastructure For the same reasons several centuries of negative experiences likely undermine China's trust for the West (and Japan) and the international system it created.