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If you drop the Oral game our RPI is 31. If you change the Oral game to a W our RPI is 31.
If you drop the Oral game our RPI is 31. If you change the Oral game to a W our RPI is 31.
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I don't think we should stop playing ORU. Not going to be hypocritical about that series. We just need to beat them.
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Bad losses OOC, not enough big wins during the entire season. Equals on the bubble. They are right. Tulsa almost has to win out . 3-1 min. With 2 AAC conference Toury wins Tulsa will be in. Tulane is a must win. Its not just what you do in the conference season. Its what you do the entire season.
Bad losses OOC, not enough big wins during the entire season. Equals on the bubble. They are right. Tulsa almost has to win out . 3-1 min. With 2 AAC conference Toury wins Tulsa will be in. Tulane is a must win. Its not just what you do in the conference season. Its what you do the entire season.
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The last 10 games, conference play, conference tournament success, top 25 wins, top 50 wins, top 100 wins, bottom 100 losses, D2 losses, MOV, road wins, home losses, uniform color, mascot, etc.
Whatever will justify their opinion they'll use.
It depends on who they want in.
The last 10 games, conference play, conference tournament success, top 25 wins, top 50 wins, top 100 wins, bottom 100 losses, D2 losses, MOV, road wins, home losses, uniform color, mascot, etc.
Whatever will justify their opinion they'll use.
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Tulsa is a tourney team. As II put it, "the eye test".
Tulsa is better than Temple. Period. Tulsa is playing really good; totally different team than the one from November and December.
Just beat Tulane!
Just beat Cincy!
***Those are must wins.
If we can win at Memphis or SMU, we're in! OR, we lose those 2 then we must get to AAC Championship game.
Good news is..... no one would have objectively predicted at-large discussions in late February back in October or November.
Tulsa is a tourney team. As II put it, "the eye test".
Tulsa is better than Temple. Period. Tulsa is playing really good; totally different team than the one from November and December.
Just beat Tulane!
Just beat Cincy!
***Those are must wins.
If we can win at Memphis or SMU, we're in! OR, we lose those 2 then we must get to AAC Championship game.
Good news is..... no one would have objectively predicted at-large discussions in late February back in October or November.
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They have wins against 39 Tulsa, 81 Seton Hall, 84 Bama, 85 Illinois State (Twice) and an opportunity vs 14 N Iowa at home (an away loss by 16).
They only have one 'bad' loss vs 93 GW and are currently 15-2 in their last 17.
Tulsa has wins over 41 Temple (Twice), 76 Memphis, 77 UConn, with opportunities @ 76 Memphis, vs 43 Cincy, and @ 17 SMU left.
Bad losses are 180 ORU and D2 SEOSU and are 14-2 in their last 16 with losses coming @ 17 SMU (an 11 point home loss) @ 77 UConn in road blowout.
We're not as good as Wichita State but can build ourselves a resume that compares quite favorably in terms of top 100 wins.
We beat Memphis and Cincy and we'll have better top 100 wins than Wichita unless they win vs N Iowa. Their best win is currently Tulsa.
They have wins against 39 Tulsa, 81 Seton Hall, 84 Bama, 85 Illinois State (Twice) and an opportunity vs 14 N Iowa at home (an away loss by 16).
They only have one 'bad' loss vs 93 GW and are currently 15-2 in their last 17.
Tulsa has wins over 41 Temple (Twice), 76 Memphis, 77 UConn, with opportunities @ 76 Memphis, vs 43 Cincy, and @ 17 SMU left.
Bad losses are 180 ORU and D2 SEOSU and are 14-2 in their last 16 with losses coming @ 17 SMU (an 11 point home loss) @ 77 UConn in road blowout.
We're not as good as Wichita State but can build ourselves a resume that compares quite favorably in terms of top 100 wins.
My first post was about what I think about the committee, not the team. I believe they are good enough to be competitive in the NCAA tournament. I don't know if I would use the "eye test" argument though. They have been winning in spite of offensive weaknesses that have been discussed at length here.
On the other hand, when it comes to what I would call the "gut test", they pass with flying colors. The comeback on the road against Temple, the OT win (USF?) and the overall conference road record show these guys have what it takes to fight through adversity and come out on top.
That being said, let's just win the next 7 and remove all doubt.
On the other hand, when it comes to what I would call the "gut test", they pass with flying colors. The comeback on the road against Temple, the OT win (USF?) and the overall conference road record show these guys have what it takes to fight through adversity and come out on top.
That being said, let's just win the next 7 and remove all doubt.
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aTUfan sums up the real story quite well. If we'd have picked up a couple early and not dropped a couple of horrible games our conference record would be plenty. Not the end of the world... Work to be done? Yes Are the guys capable of putting together a great close to the season? Yes! If they take care of business were in and will be a horrible match up for a number of teams in the first round.
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All I know is
We continue to win, the wins will take car of themselves
I do believe that if we tie for the AAC Regular season Title
I think we will get a bid
But we also need to root 4 bubble teams to continue 2 lose like:
Texas, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio St, LSU, Georgia, Xavier,
Colo St, Wyoming, Pitt, Boise St, Dayton, K St., Old Dominion,
Green Bay, Stephen F. Austin, Central Michigan,
BYU. St. Mary's, Iona, Wofford, Albany, UC Davis,
Valparaiso, Toledo, High Point, Harvard and Yale.
Plus, If it gets alittle dicey for TU fans.
No Big upset's in the Conference Tourney's
in some of those (1 Bid) conference's
as well as a team like TCU winning the Big 12 tourney
or G Tech winning the ACC Tourney
or Evansville winning the Mo Valley tourney
All I know is
We continue to win, the wins will take car of themselves
I do believe that if we tie for the AAC Regular season Title
I think we will get a bid
But we also need to root 4 bubble teams to continue 2 lose like:
Texas, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio St, LSU, Georgia, Xavier,
Colo St, Wyoming, Pitt, Boise St, Dayton, K St., Old Dominion,
Green Bay, Stephen F. Austin, Central Michigan,
BYU. St. Mary's, Iona, Wofford, Albany, UC Davis,
Valparaiso, Toledo, High Point, Harvard and Yale.
Plus, If it gets alittle dicey for TU fans.
No Big upset's in the Conference Tourney's
in some of those (1 Bid) conference's
as well as a team like TCU winning the Big 12 tourney
or G Tech winning the ACC Tourney
or Evansville winning the Mo Valley tourney
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Coming from the guy who said TCU would need a decade to get to competitiveness in Big 12 football...
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Coming from the guy who said TCU would need a decade to get to competitiveness in Big 12 football...
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At the very least it should be a 2 at TU and 1 at ORURO game. It is a horrible strategic decision to keep the series as is. Fans will show up to support the team as the quality of the product improves. The ORU game cannot do anything to help this team.
It depends on what your goals are for our basketball team. Not playing ORU offers us the exact same opportunities as beating ORU does. There is literally nothing to win by playing them.
At the very least it should be a 2 at TU and 1 at ORURO game. It is a horrible strategic decision to keep the series as is. Fans will show up to support the team as the quality of the product improves. The ORU game cannot do anything to help this team.
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We have to play ORU, period. Yes, it doesn't do anything for us but you have to play cross city games. The negative lash back would be too much by fans, media and the city. Tulsa would be the BAD guy and we don't need that. We just need to prepare better and beat them; don't run for them!
We have to play ORU, period. Yes, it doesn't do anything for us but you have to play cross city games. The negative lash back would be too much by fans, media and the city. Tulsa would be the BAD guy and we don't need that. We just need to prepare better and beat them; don't run for them!
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I just want ORU to play better in other games and improve the overall quality of their program so that it is not a liability to play them.
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I just want ORU to play better in other games and improve the overall quality of their program so that it is not a liability to play them.
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Chickensh1t to not play them because we're afraid to get beat.
Yea, it doesn't help us much if we win, but it's a game that should be kept at all costs because it's good for the game and the city.
Yep.
Chickensh1t to not play them because we're afraid to get beat.
Yea, it doesn't help us much if we win, but it's a game that should be kept at all costs because it's good for the game and the city.
Agreed. We need to keep the game, take it seriously, and play better. Who doesn't think we'd win by 20+ if we played them right now? Next year when we take the court against them Juice, Shaq, Swannegan, and Ray will get up and remind everyone what happened this year.
The UALR game is not a bad game for us. We need those games as much as the OU, OSU, Wichita St games. Keep playing Creighton and Missouri St, even the Incarnate Word game is not a bad game to play. The Wojcik style schedule is what killed us. Who cares if you 25 games if you only go 9-9 in conference against a so-so conference. If you dump the UALR game, who do you add? North Texas? Maybe we need to start a home and home against a MWC school.
In the end, this year's schedule was perfect for this team. I would hope next year's is a touch more challenging because next year's team should be better than this year's team, at least marginally. We need to do a better job of competing in some of those tougher games.
The UALR game is not a bad game for us. We need those games as much as the OU, OSU, Wichita St games. Keep playing Creighton and Missouri St, even the Incarnate Word game is not a bad game to play. The Wojcik style schedule is what killed us. Who cares if you 25 games if you only go 9-9 in conference against a so-so conference. If you dump the UALR game, who do you add? North Texas? Maybe we need to start a home and home against a MWC school.
In the end, this year's schedule was perfect for this team. I would hope next year's is a touch more challenging because next year's team should be better than this year's team, at least marginally. We need to do a better job of competing in some of those tougher games.
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I don't think that the negative lash back from fans, media and the city would have an effect on the attendance for TU games. The people will attend games if there is a solid product on the court. How has our crying about OU and OSU affected their programs?
My guess.....Sagarin has Cincy at #58 and Tulsa at #67. RPI adjusted for the SE Okla St loss would likely put us in the mid 50s. Cincy is 4-3 against the Sag top 50 with a sweep of SMU. TU is 0-4.
We're now named in 29 of the 75 projected brackets up from 20 a few days ago. Trend looks good.
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We're now named in 29 of the 75 projected brackets up from 20 a few days ago. Trend looks good.
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I think the issue is whether anyone outside of diehard ORU and TU fans would care? If not, then why does it matter?
I think the realistic answer is that given the attendance issues throughout basketball,we might as well play the game. It would be nice if ORU would drop the Mickey Mouse stuff, but that's not going to happen.
I think the issue is whether anyone outside of diehard ORU and TU fans would care? If not, then why does it matter?
I think the realistic answer is that given the attendance issues throughout basketball,we might as well play the game. It would be nice if ORU would drop the Mickey Mouse stuff, but that's not going to happen.
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Cinncy has a key road win over NC State and a home win over San Diego State, as well as the two wins over SMU. But, balance that against losses at home to Tulane and at East Carolina, both bad and recent losses. I give Cinncy the edge over TU, but that flips when TU wins the heads up here.
Cinncy has a key road win over NC State and a home win over San Diego State, as well as the two wins over SMU. But, balance that against losses at home to Tulane and at East Carolina, both bad and recent losses. I give Cinncy the edge over TU, but that flips when TU wins the heads up here.
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One issue that's likely causing us problems (in line with playing schools like ORU) is our SOS (strength of schedule). That's what hurt SMU last year. Here's a current SOS rating for a few teams:
Temple 48
Cinnci 51
SMU 58
UConn 73
Memphis 81
Tulsa 107
We really do need to upgrade the schedule next year, get inside that top 100 to have a better chance for an at large bid.
One issue that's likely causing us problems (in line with playing schools like ORU) is our SOS (strength of schedule). That's what hurt SMU last year. Here's a current SOS rating for a few teams:
Temple 48
Cinnci 51
SMU 58
UConn 73
Memphis 81
Tulsa 107
We really do need to upgrade the schedule next year, get inside that top 100 to have a better chance for an at large bid.
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We played a harder ooc schedule than we have in a long time. I'm not sure we want to make it that much harder. The issues are that Creighton is having an awful year and we crapped the bed in the five losses. One thing that would help is if the bottom half of AAC would stay in top 200 in RPI. Houston and USF are awful and ECU didn't do a damn thing until the conference season started.
We played a harder ooc schedule than we have in a long time. I'm not sure we want to make it that much harder. The issues are that Creighton is having an awful year and we crapped the bed in the five losses. One thing that would help is if the bottom half of AAC would stay in top 200 in RPI. Houston and USF are awful and ECU didn't do a damn thing until the conference season started.
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But what are you going to do? Back in the day, we would have killed for this ooc schedule. No one would play us. I'm not really sure you can fault us for playing in a tournament with Auburn or continuing to play Creighton. Maybe if we dumped Mo State? But I don't think anyone wants that. I'm happy not playing Yooler. But I just think you are talking about really marginal decisions in second guessing this ooc schedule. At the beginning of year, there was talk that 18 wins would get us an at large.
But what are you going to do? Back in the day, we would have killed for this ooc schedule. No one would play us. I'm not really sure you can fault us for playing in a tournament with Auburn or continuing to play Creighton. Maybe if we dumped Mo State? But I don't think anyone wants that. I'm happy not playing Yooler. But I just think you are talking about really marginal decisions in second guessing this ooc schedule. At the beginning of year, there was talk that 18 wins would get us an at large.
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Looking @ nxt yrs OOC schedule, so far:
ORU
Wichita St
ULRA
@ Creighton?
@ OU
@ Mizzu St? (Perhaps another Valley school to replace Mizzu St)
@ ULL?
This is a good start for TU for Next year
(Those w/ ?, Not sure if those series original contracts are done or not)
Perhaps Schedule
--A holiday tourney
--Another Southland team
--A couple of Texas Conf USA Schools &/or L Tech
--A Western SEC team?
--A few MWC teams
--BYU? or another West Coast Conf School
In F-ball....
We schedule New Mex but why not tie a b-ball series w/ it?
We sign a 2 for 1 w/ OSU, shouldn't there B a 4 game b-ball series attached to?
What about those $$$$ one game deals? Can't we get a B-ball series w/ those to?
Looking @ nxt yrs OOC schedule, so far:
ORU
Wichita St
ULRA
@ Creighton?
@ OU
@ Mizzu St? (Perhaps another Valley school to replace Mizzu St)
@ ULL?
This is a good start for TU for Next year
(Those w/ ?, Not sure if those series original contracts are done or not)
Perhaps Schedule
--A holiday tourney
--Another Southland team
--A couple of Texas Conf USA Schools &/or L Tech
--A Western SEC team?
--A few MWC teams
--BYU? or another West Coast Conf School
In F-ball....
We schedule New Mex but why not tie a b-ball series w/ it?
We sign a 2 for 1 w/ OSU, shouldn't there B a 4 game b-ball series attached to?
What about those $$$$ one game deals? Can't we get a B-ball series w/ those to?
I'm not sure if the UALR game is a contracted game still or not... I feel like this season's might have been the last one.
Next year's schedule definitely needs a few upgrades
I'd like us to schedule the lower tier P5 schools because they tend to get rewarded in the RPI for even playing games with the top schools (even if they're like Texas and lose all of them)
We also need to try and schedule more with the Big East who gets IMHO a bit more credit than they deserve.
WSU and Creighton might both be mediocre next year and I'm not planning on them being RPI Boosters.
Next year's schedule definitely needs a few upgrades
I'd like us to schedule the lower tier P5 schools because they tend to get rewarded in the RPI for even playing games with the top schools (even if they're like Texas and lose all of them)
We also need to try and schedule more with the Big East who gets IMHO a bit more credit than they deserve.
WSU and Creighton might both be mediocre next year and I'm not planning on them being RPI Boosters.
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I'm pretty sure the most recent OSU football deal includes bball too. A 1-1.
It's possible the ULL game was just a one off since it was scheduled to fit the theme of the Vegas tourney with them being in the middleweight bracket...
I'm pretty sure the most recent OSU football deal includes bball too. A 1-1.
It's possible the ULL game was just a one off since it was scheduled to fit the theme of the Vegas tourney with them being in the middleweight bracket...
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I think the creighton series is over now as well. But it seems like there was an announcement earlier in the year about a tournament we were playing in next year that had some good teams.
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I think the creighton series is over now as well. But it seems like there was an announcement earlier in the year about a tournament we were playing in next year that had some good teams.
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Yup, we play at OSU next year and they come to Tulsa the year after. Of course they schedule the return when we have the most inexperienced team for a while.
The 2015 OOC tourney will be the Paradise Jam in The US Virgin Islands... So if you want to plan a tropical vacation next fall... Start planning now!!!!
The field is (RPI as of today):
DePaul (158)
Florida St (108)
Hofstra (177)
South Carolina (104)
Norfolk St (163)
Ohio (229)
Indiana State (182)
Without looking how these might improve in the offseason... We will be by far the highest ranked team there.
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The 2015 OOC tourney will be the Paradise Jam in The US Virgin Islands... So if you want to plan a tropical vacation next fall... Start planning now!!!!
The field is (RPI as of today):
DePaul (158)
Florida St (108)
Hofstra (177)
South Carolina (104)
Norfolk St (163)
Ohio (229)
Indiana State (182)
Without looking how these might improve in the offseason... We will be by far the highest ranked team there.
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Found it - we're playing in the Paradise Jam next year. The field includes:
DePaul Blue Demons (Big East)
Florida State Seminoles (ACC)
Hofstra Pride (CAA)
Indiana State Sycamores (MVC)
Norfolk State Spartans (MEAC)
Ohio Bobcats (MAC)
South Carolina Gamecocks (SEC)
Tulsa Golden Hurricane (American)
A few good teams listed in there.
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DePaul Blue Demons (Big East)
Florida State Seminoles (ACC)
Hofstra Pride (CAA)
Indiana State Sycamores (MVC)
Norfolk State Spartans (MEAC)
Ohio Bobcats (MAC)
South Carolina Gamecocks (SEC)
Tulsa Golden Hurricane (American)
A few good teams listed in there.
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Joe Lunardi has dropped you guys to next 4 out. I don't get how you gusy basically dropped after beating Temple. Say what you want to say about Lunardi but he usually gets the right teams in it just seems like his seeding is always off. You guys need to go 3-1 minimum these last 4 games. If you lose tonight you guys are done. Good luck and let's play again in the conference fournament.
They new argument is allowing a team in that hasn't beaten more than one team in the field.
But, by that logic, Wichita State is out because we are the only team they have beaten to date that might get in. Of course you have to let Wichita St but, if they haven't beaten an NCAA team, how does that logic play out since at least Tulsa as 2 wins, albiet same team, against a possible NCAA team?
As of now, none of those Paradise teams are "good" some of them are "ok".
South Carolina has a 4 star SG coming in as well as a 3 star PF.
They only lose one player, and are quite young this year so they might be a decent matchup next year.
Florida State has tons of help coming in as recruits, and basically lose no one.
They have 1 5 star, 2 4 stars, and 1 3 star center who is 7-4.
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South Carolina has a 4 star SG coming in as well as a 3 star PF.
They only lose one player, and are quite young this year so they might be a decent matchup next year.
Florida State has tons of help coming in as recruits, and basically lose no one.
They have 1 5 star, 2 4 stars, and 1 3 star center who is 7-4.
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