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Tulsa G Joseph Battle (FR) is leaving the program. (HT @JustinByerly) (link: http://verbalcommits.com/players/joseph-battle) verbalcommits.com/players/joseph…
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Tulsa G Joseph Battle (FR) is leaving the program. (HT @JustinByerly) (link: http://verbalcommits.com/players/joseph-battle) verbalcommits.com/players/joseph…
Unfortunate but not surprising. Really thought he had the most upside of the guys who didn't get much playing time down the stretch but with 2 more highly touted guys coming in at the same position, there's a squeeze on. Best of luck to Joseph.
I hope he ends up at a good place and gets a lot of PT. From my few contacts remaining at TU he is a fantastic young man. I would've loved to see him get a chance here but I understand it from his perspective; I wish him nothing but the best.
I liked Battle... heck, he was just as effective as any other guard besides Taplin.
Great kid with great parents. I wish he could have gotten the TU degree without having to play ball. I think it came down to not being able to bring the lower classification basketball he played in South Carolina up to a high AAC D-1 level. Some like Eric Coley can do it, others can't. I wish him all the best. Very deserving kid.
Thank you Joseph! Wish him the best and to see him in the tourney someday (on the opposite side of the bracket of course). It's a numbers game and it sucks, hopefully we were up front from the beginning about earning your time- he definitely put in the effort in the games.
Wish him all the best.
We will be rooting for you wherever you go, Joseph!
We will be rooting for you wherever you go, Joseph!
I wish him all the best both on and off the court. I hope he finds playing time with his new school and earns that degree. Anyway I hope he lets us know where he lands so that we can follow his career. Peace!
I really liked a lot of what I saw in his limited minutes. Good luck.
All the best to him. You got to go where you believe you can be successful and is the best. I don't think players should have to sit out if coaches don't.
Good luck to him. He can really help a school out. I wanted it to be us.
And it begins. Good kid, wish him the best, but, Haith is going to have to over recruit some of these kids to right the ship.
Situations like this make me want an exception to the transfer rule requiring kids to sit out a year. When the kid's departure is mutual or even at the "suggestion" of the school I see no reason to penalize the student athlete. Best of luck Joseph. Classy statement.
But then OU would arrange for all sorts of mutual releases. "Hey running back from La Tech, you are pretty good. We'd like to invite your school to play us, but we want you on our team. And then your athletic director gets a raise."
Then he could end up at ECU and killing us. I am thinking College of Charleston, Winthrop, places like that would be fairly welcoming to him. Perhaps even a UNC-Greensboro where Tim Peete is currently an assistant/grad assistant.
I'm not sure how you would police it and I suppose that's the issue. If a player isn't good enough to play for LaTech then he's obviously not good enough to play for OU. Athletic scholarships are for one year. When a kid turns out not to be good enough to play for school "X" and that school then over signs that player is obviously forced to leave the school. I think most of the time it's a mutual decision but let's be honest. In the end that kid has one option....transfer. It is what it is and every school that wants to play big boy sports does it. I simply hate to see the kid punished because a school chooses not to renew his ship.
Just curious, if you were running a business and certain employees weren't performing their jobs up to expectations, would you continue to pay them?
The kid having to sit out a year is like a non-compete for an employee. Which is really difficult to enforce in most states, especially if it isn't really narrowly defined.
Of course, I guess you could carry that out to the employee still getting paid to not do his full job for a year.
Nope. However, I don't think I would be able to prevent a worker I fired from working in my industry for a year. That's the rule I take issue with not the non-renewal of a one year ship.
Most players that transfer to play a sport receive a full scholarship during the year they have to set out. Getting 5 years on full scholarship isn't a bad deal, if you want to continue playing the sport you love.
Many companies pay severance, depending on the situation of the employment termination.
You don't know that he was "fired". Coaches sit down with each player after the season is over and discuss their future, such as playing time. You don't know if he wanted to play somewhere he'd get more time.
Even if he was "let go", he will be getting a full year of scholarship to a school. He will be able to practice. He is not prevented in "working in my industry" which I assume in this case is basketball. And he's getting paid for it.
If there weren't transfer rules of sitting out a year, the money making P5 type schools would raid the smaller schools more than they do now. This is the other side of why a transfer must sit a year.
I think the real worry is OU recruiting kids, telling them to go play at a C-USA school so they can keep in game shape and we'll come and get you in a year or 2 after we let LaTech get you into D-1 game shape, essentially treating G5s as their minor league development system.
Yes, that's why I added the last sentence.
I think very, very few transfers would be eligible for the circumstances of severance or unemployment in this analogy. They are basically resigning or being fired.
Which I understand. My problem is I see all these major schools (it's more common than not) over sign in October. I wouldn't think very many players in October have decided they want to play somewhere else. These schools obviously push players in that direction during the next 6 or 7 months....they have too. Yet...we penalize the player who was pushed out. I would like to see the school or NCAA have the option to eliminate the redshirt requirement on players who transfer out due to being recruiting over. The player could formally request a waiver based on a set of conditions (being pushed out). I assume the problem with such a rule is it brings to the light of day how major college athletics works regarding scholarships. Something that most people involved in the same don't like to talk about.
Sorry to see Joseph transfer. He sure seems like a very good person as well as a potentially very good player. I wish him good success wherever he ends up.
Would you advocate for the rule being different in football vs. basketball? This isn't an issue most times in basketball in terms of power schools pushing kids to a lower level D1 school and then trying to get them to transfer later. Jefferies would be one that the sit-out year was needed because no way was ORU going to sign off on him leaving. Clarkson and McLellan too. There was the Iranian Rice player who did that a few years ago too...was Rice's star payer and then decided he needed to play at a higher level and left for Oregon.
I don't think this rule would work in football. I am sympathetic in Battle and Atson's case...I guess the only caveat would be if they wanted to transfer to a school in the AAC.
This problem seems to be more unique to basketball IMO. Maybe bc of the stark difference in scholarship numbers? Football players aren't really recruited over if they aren't going to see much if any playing time over their career. They either accept it and stay and try to get better or give up and transfer of their own accord.
QBs are really where you seem to hear about football players leaving bc of lack of playing time. They dance around more than Beyoncé.
QBs are really where you seem to hear about football players leaving bc of lack of playing time. They dance around more than Beyoncé.
Kazemi got a waiver and played right away because the Rice AD couldn't stop making Al Qaeda jokes.
I almost wish Korita had redshirted this year considering what we got out of him and class balance. Maybe he wouldn't have ever gone through that drought in 3 ptr's in his career if he had redshirted.
I agree on Korita.
To amend my statement, I suppose we could RS someone if need be and go for a JUCO / grad transfer next season. I think a grad transfer being added to Taplin's class could make sense. It would mean a 4 man recruiting class in 2018-19
Just out of curiosity.. if you had an employee that wasn't being challenged by your work environment or was unhappy working for you would you purposely prevent him from changing jobs and advancing himself?
I am in favor of open transfers because I believe the benefits for schools like Tulsa outweigh the risks. There are a lot of great players that ride the pine at P5 schools that would start at Tulsa if they had the opportunity to transfer in without losing eligibility.
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