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Is Tulsa Continuing Down The Wrong “Strategic” Road?

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Look at the continued “rinse and repeat” of revolving door of head coaches, assistant coaches and the mass exodus of players via the portal. There’s not much “critical, outside the box” thinking.

College football rosters have evolved into professional football rosters and the “smart” college football teams are emulating pro football structures. The bottom third of rosters are going to be turned over. Just like the NFL. Dion Sanders introduced the concept at Colorado. He was one of the first college coaches to look at the portal like a draft board. Moreover, Sanders had no salary cap.

From the WSJ this morning.

“Belichick spent the fall digging into the college game—with his son Steve, the defensive coordinator at Washington, and consulting other coaches around the sport. And what he soon discovered was a completely new landscape: all the new money pouring into players’ pockets meant that his experience in the pros was more relevant than ever before.

At the same time, officials at the University of North Carolina were watching their football program fall behind the times, according to people familiar with the matter. The Tar Heels had broadly failed to evolve from amateurism to a pro-style model where players get paid.”

Bill Belichick, love him or hate him, is no dummy.

Gundy flushing his staff? A prisoner of war exchange. Nothing more nothing less. No real original or critical thinking there.

I tip my hat to UNC and Bubba Cunningham. There’s discussion at Chapel Hill of bringing in Mike Lombardi to be a “defacto” GM for the Tarheel football team, and bringing in Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniel as coordinators would be a sea change.

Tulsa continues down the “weathered” road with grudging change. NIL.

There’s just not much original “critical” thinking.
 
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Look at the continued “rinse and repeat” of revolving door of head coaches, assistant coaches and the mass exodus of players via the portal. There’s not much “critical, outside the box” thinking.

College football rosters have evolved into professional football rosters and the “smart” college football teams are emulating pro football structures. The bottom third of rosters are going to be turned over. Just like the NFL. Dion Sanders introduced the concept at Colorado. He was one of the first college coaches to look at the portal like a draft board. Moreover, Sanders had no salary cap.

From the WSJ this morning.

“Belichick spent the fall digging into the college game—with his son Steve, the defensive coordinator at Washington, and consulting other coaches around the sport. And what he soon discovered was a completely new landscape: all the new money pouring into players’ pockets meant that his experience in the pros was more relevant than ever before.

At the same time, officials at the University of North Carolina were watching their football program fall behind the times, according to people familiar with the matter. The Tar Heels had broadly failed to evolve from amateurism to a pro-style model where players get paid.”

Bill Belichick, love him or hate him, is no dummy.

Gundy flushing his staff? A prisoner of war exchange. Nothing more nothing less. No real original or critical thinking there.

I tip my hat to UNC and Bubba Cunningham. There’s discussion at Chapel Hill of bringing in Mike Lombardi to be a “defacto” GM for the Tarheel football team, and bringing in Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniel as coordinators would be a sea change.

Tulsa continues down the “weathered” road with grudging change. NIL.

There’s just not much original “critical” thinking.
I think you may see more former pro coaches taking the dive into college football as they will understand how to navigate the egos and players being paid mroe than others. I suspect it is something Saban never enjoyed which is why he spent all but a few years in the college game vs the NFL. And why some pro coaches flamed out in college, pre-NIL days (Mike Sherman at AM, Bill Callahan at Nebraska, and many others). I think you will start to see a shift.

Now don't ask me why a pro basketball guy like Penny Hardaway is failing at Memphis...oh yeah, you still have to have a clue how to coach
 
Look at the continued “rinse and repeat” of revolving door of head coaches, assistant coaches and the mass exodus of players via the portal. There’s not much “critical, outside the box” thinking.

College football rosters have evolved into professional football rosters and the “smart” college football teams are emulating pro football structures. The bottom third of rosters are going to be turned over. Just like the NFL. Dion Sanders introduced the concept at Colorado. He was one of the first college coaches to look at the portal like a draft board. Moreover, Sanders had no salary cap.

From the WSJ this morning.

“Belichick spent the fall digging into the college game—with his son Steve, the defensive coordinator at Washington, and consulting other coaches around the sport. And what he soon discovered was a completely new landscape: all the new money pouring into players’ pockets meant that his experience in the pros was more relevant than ever before.

At the same time, officials at the University of North Carolina were watching their football program fall behind the times, according to people familiar with the matter. The Tar Heels had broadly failed to evolve from amateurism to a pro-style model where players get paid.”

Bill Belichick, love him or hate him, is no dummy.

Gundy flushing his staff? A prisoner of war exchange. Nothing more nothing less. No real original or critical thinking there.

I tip my hat to UNC and Bubba Cunningham. There’s discussion at Chapel Hill of bringing in Mike Lombardi to be a “defacto” GM for the Tarheel football team, and bringing in Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniel as coordinators would be a sea change.

Tulsa continues down the “weathered” road with grudging change. NIL.

There’s just not much original “critical” thinking.
The universities with the large NIL bank rolls will continue to stockpile the elite talent
while the mid-majors will occasionally develop an outstanding athlete who will get poached
the next year by the school with deep pockets . Earning a college degree and having school
loyalty means more to us than a lot of 18,19 & 20 year olds that want "instant gratification"
with the mindset of "what's in it for me" mentality .
Today's recruiting landscape is a cluster_ _ _ _ and little colleges like TU are at an even greater
disadvantage . Since supposedly TU has a 3 million dollar NIL budget , I hope they invest
in offensive and defensive linemen first.
 
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Didn’t TU just fire an old school football coach who resisted the changes in college football and replace him with a young coach who has turned around 2 different programs by using the portal?

Didn’t our new coach say it used to take 3 years to turn around a program, but now he believes it can be done in one year, with the portal and NIL.

Didn’t TU’s President, new (younger) AD & new (younger) football coach ALL say Tulsa is changing the way things have been done here & they plan on competing for championships, partially by embracing instead of fighting the new changes in college football?

It seems this thread made sense months ago, but not today.

If it turns out there’s more changes to make, we currently have an AD & a football coach that appear very willing to adapt as needed.
 
Didn’t TU just fire an old school football coach who resisted the changes in college football and replace him with a young coach who has turned around 2 different programs by using the portal?

Didn’t our new coach say it used to take 3 years to turn around a program, but now he believes it can be done in one year, with the portal and NIL.

Didn’t TU’s President, new (younger) AD & new (younger) football coach ALL say Tulsa is changing the way things have been done here & they plan on competing for championships, partially by embracing instead of fighting the new changes in college football?

It seems this thread made sense months ago, but not today.

If it turns out there’s more changes to make, we currently have an AD & a football coach that appear very willing to adapt as needed.
Exactly. I think some people post on here just to post nonsense (me included). This thread should probably be deleted.
 
Didn’t TU just fire an old school football coach who resisted the changes in college football and replace him with a young coach who has turned around 2 different programs by using the portal?

Didn’t our new coach say it used to take 3 years to turn around a program, but now he believes it can be done in one year, with the portal and NIL.

Didn’t TU’s President, new (younger) AD & new (younger) football coach ALL say Tulsa is changing the way things have been done here & they plan on competing for championships, partially by embracing instead of fighting the new changes in college football?

It seems this thread made sense months ago, but not today.

If it turns out there’s more changes to make, we currently have an AD & a football coach that appear very willing to adapt as needed.
Bringing in a young energetic coach will fade with a broken “old school” model.
 
Exactly. I think some people post on here just to post nonsense (me included). This thread should probably be deleted.
Stifling respectful thoughtful discussion reeks of being just close minded and woke.

If someone doesn’t prescribe to your thought and point of view then close the discussion down. Really?

Merry Christmas…..Oh wait, there’s no Christmas in wokeville.
 
The universities with the large NIL bank rolls will continue to stockpile the elite talent
while the mid-majors will occasionally develop an outstanding athlete who will get poached
the next year by the school with deep pockets . Earning a college degree and having school
loyalty means more to us than a lot of 18,19 & 20 year olds that want "instant gratification"
with the mindset of "what's in it for me" mentality .
Today's recruiting landscape is a cluster_ _ _ _ and little colleges like TU are at an even greater
disadvantage . Since supposedly TU has a 3 million dollar NIL budget , I hope they invest
in offensive and defensive linemen first.
We should be able to get transfer fees for these transactions
 
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Stifling respectful thoughtful discussion reeks of being just close minded and woke.

If someone doesn’t prescribe to your thought and point of view then close the discussion down. Really?

Merry Christmas…..Oh wait, there’s no Christmas in wokeville.
Or or, we don’t need your garbage during a very important portal time for the program. Don’t be a weirdo.
 
A buy out percentage based on portal award from the new team? As amateurism melts away this will be inserted in every player contract. Yes, I said the “C” word.
Contracts for the players receiving NIL make sense; seems very intuitive when you think about it. If that ever becomes reality, then athletes should no longer be required to enroll with the university academically if they don't wish to. Make the "student" portion of their concatenation optional, along with getting a degree. They could then just focus on practice, football, fitness and preparing for the big leagues. Not sure what would happen to "scholarships" if that happens, but I'm guessing most players at Alabama and Auburn are barely literate and care only about football.
 
The contracts are there. Some include clauses for class attendance and even tutoring sessions. I’m sure they will also have clauses for payment related to the portal deadlines to prevent transferring.
This is a big business and that is why our AD hired General Mangers for our BB and football programs.
TU is not interested in competing with SEC or even ACC, they want to be at the top of the AAC in NIL funding
 
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Contracts for the players receiving NIL make sense; seems very intuitive when you think about it. If that ever becomes reality, then athletes should no longer be required to enroll with the university academically if they don't wish to. Make the "student" portion of their concatenation optional, along with getting a degree. They could then just focus on practice, football, fitness and preparing for the big leagues. Not sure what would happen to "scholarships" if that happens, but I'm guessing most players at Alabama and Auburn are barely literate and care only about football.
I'm not sure they can completely separate the programs from the academic mission...at that point they are no longer non-profits and would be subject to taxes.
 
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TU is not interested in competing with SEC or even ACC, they want to be at the top of the AAC in NIL funding
Exactly. And the better they do, the more money they’ll have coming in. If they can fund at the top of the AAC and get in the playoff here and there, that will have a huge financial impact. They don’t need to fund at the level of the SEC.
 
Exactly. And the better they do, the more money they’ll have coming in. If they can fund at the top of the AAC and get in the playoff here and there, that will have a huge financial impact. They don’t need to fund at the level of the SEC.
We want to be among the top desired teams in the next (final?) realignment wave. Certainly at a Tulane level.
 
that is why our AD hired General Mangers for our BB and football programs.
I didn't hear about this, I was wondering if we would do that. I don't see anything about this on the internets. Who are they? Since they seem to have generated zero press, I guess more lower level admin types? What are their roles? I think the role of GM at colleges is pretty varied at this point, the role of the guy at UNC with Belichick seems a lot different for example than Andrew Luck at Stanford.
 
Stifling respectful thoughtful discussion reeks of being just close minded and woke.

If someone doesn’t prescribe to your thought and point of view then close the discussion down. Really?

Merry Christmas…..Oh wait, there’s no Christmas in wokeville.

Close minded and woke?
It seems like you don’t know what woke actually means 😂
 
Close minded and woke?
It seems like you don’t know what woke actually means 😂
It's kind of ironic, with all the different ways Dough Boy is a massive pain in the a$$, the OP managed to call him the one thing that he's never seemed to be (woke - close minded, well yeah, guilty on that one).
 
Contracts for the players receiving NIL make sense; seems very intuitive when you think about it. If that ever becomes reality, then athletes should no longer be required to enroll with the university academically if they don't wish to. Make the "student" portion of their concatenation optional, along with getting a degree. They could then just focus on practice, football, fitness and preparing for the big leagues. Not sure what would happen to "scholarships" if that happens, but I'm guessing most players at Alabama and Auburn are barely literate and care only about football.

It's kind of ironic, with all the different ways Dough Boy is a massive pain in the a$$, the OP managed to call him the one thing that he's never seemed to be (woke - close minded, well yeah, guilty on that one).
I’m just overly passionate, and yes can be close minded. But my New Year’s resolution is to solve those!
 
Yet another example of TU adapting to the new era of college sports:

Per Pete Thamel, TU is hiring a GM for football! He’s Mason Behiel, assistant AD at Fresno State.
It's hard to have too strong of an opinion on this without knowing more about the role and the guy. I'm sure it'll be helpful to have another junior person in the athletics department focused exclusively on FB (when is it not helpful to add another bureaucrat??). But I' not sure it's being innovative or adapting really. Maybe baby steps towards adapting. I was hoping we'd get a luminary or someone senior with a different skill set than CFB. Mason's background seems to be in regular recruiting and player development. I hope it's more than just adding another headcount doing the same thing with an awesome title.

He is a civil engineer. Maybe he'll be overseeing work on the IPF???
 
It's hard to have too strong of an opinion on this without knowing more about the role and the guy. I'm sure it'll be helpful to have another junior person in the athletics department focused exclusively on FB (when is it not helpful to add another bureaucrat??). But I' not sure it's being innovative or adapting really. Maybe baby steps towards adapting. I was hoping we'd get a luminary or someone senior with a different skill set than CFB. Mason's background seems to be in regular recruiting and player development. I hope it's more than just adding another headcount doing the same thing with an awesome title.

He is a civil engineer. Maybe he'll be overseeing work on the IPF???
Weird thing to bitch about.

This is the way things work and my guess is we've done our homework on this.
 
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It's hard to have too strong of an opinion on this without knowing more about the role and the guy. I'm sure it'll be helpful to have another junior person in the athletics department focused exclusively on FB (when is it not helpful to add another bureaucrat??). But I' not sure it's being innovative or adapting really. Maybe baby steps towards adapting. I was hoping we'd get a luminary or someone senior with a different skill set than CFB. Mason's background seems to be in regular recruiting and player development. I hope it's more than just adding another headcount doing the same thing with an awesome title.

He is a civil engineer. Maybe he'll be overseeing work on the IPF???
Oak775 started this thread by praising Bubba & UNC for being innovative and bringing in a GM (among other things). He said TU isn’t being innovative at all. I’m pointing out that TU has joined the innovation crowd by hiring a GM ( & hiring a new innovative head coach!).

I continue to believe the narrative of this thread was correct months ago, but is incorrect today.
 
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