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Just don't. You have no idea how Fine's skill sets translate to Monty's offensive scheme. I've been impressed with what Fine has done at UNT...but I would venture a guess that maybe 10 people on this board who are still on this board even asked the question of why we weren't looking at Fine. Hindsight is always 20/20.Who did we sign that year as QB instead of Fine?
Let's not even touch Caleb Green. JP was not a good recruiter, not a good talent evaluator, and not a good coach.
As for Mason Fine...you can't project success like he has had at UNT...and it was probably the perfect combination of Littrell's style of offense, Mason Fine trying to prove everyone wrong, and a favorable schedule of teams that are down. Who else recruited Fine? The only other school I can find is Austin Peay, and they're an FCS school. Some guys just won't be denied and they will outwork absolutely everyone. Doug Flutie, only had 1 D1-A offer- Boston College. There are guys out there that don't fit any of the measurables coaches are looking for and they have a hard time projecting them as a player at whatever level. The one thing they can't measure is that some guys are just winners and will outwork everyone to win. Mason Fine is one of those players just like Flutie was. We're beating Monty up over passing on this kid, but so did 130+ other FBS schools.
Phillips signed the 6'10" kid from Kingfisher instead of Caleb, but Caleb kept growing all thru high school. His freshman year at Memorial he was 6'3' and had guard skills and 6'7" his senior year with those same guard skills. I remember watching CALEB abuse TU's player in the All-State game so bad that his coach took him out until Caleb took a breather and when Caleb went back in Kingfisher would go to the bench .Just don't. You have no idea how Fine's skill sets translate to Monty's offensive scheme. I've been impressed with what Fine has done at UNT...but I would venture a guess that maybe 10 people on this board who are still on this board even asked the question of why we weren't looking at Fine. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I remember when Garret Mills was up for the Draddy Award and Bob Stoops went up to his mom and told her they really missed on their evaluation of Garret and her response was 'it all worked out for the best' or something like that. It's easy to say you made a mistake by not recruiting a player that led the nation in yards for their position.
The Caleb Green situation is different because he was one of the best players in the city and JP is out there recruiting kids that probably weren't good enough to play D2 basketball, let alone D1 at Tulsa.
No.Basketball’s Caleb Green?
Pretty simple imo. We liked Skipper more than Fine. They were fairly similar prospects. We went with the guy who looked more like a D1 QB. I get it.
Haisten's column today mentions this topic. Here's an excerpt:
In advance of Saturday’s North Texas-Liberty contest (the Mean Green’s final nonconference game), Fine is third nationally in passing. Meanwhile, the University of Tulsa is 108th nationally in passing.
TU’s program wasn’t the only one that failed to recognize Fine’s potential, but TU and Fine always will be synonymous because Fine hoped to play for the Golden Hurricane.
From Matt Hennessy, there was a cannon-shot quote last year.
“OU and OSU (coaches) spent more time at our place than TU did,” said Hennessy, who coached Fine at Locust Grove and now is the head man at Pawhuska. “I would get frustrated because it was all about the tape measure. I’m not knocking those coaches, but they’re not going to recruit a quarterback of that height. That’s just the way it is.
“Mason would have been a great fit at TU and he wanted to go to TU. The academics are high and he’s a family kid. He would have been close to home. He liked the coaches. He knew they had a spread offense and wanted to play fast, and that’s what he likes.”
There is simply no comparison between Skipper and Fine.