Inside the Republican Party’s Desperate Mission to Stop Donald Trump
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If you want to be the president of the United States, swallow your pride, get hold of your vanquished opponent immediately, and show some class by bestowing them with your highest regard, you have to get past the bruises of past debates. A voice mail is a joke, it will take a consummate politician to put this late term rally together, Rubio's ego can't be a handicap if he's going to pull this off.
Yes, and.. That was the data lock down back in December, that took 48 hours to resolve. This is a little different fish I would say, the fracturing on an entire political party.
Only themselves to blame....
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/26/del..._republican_nihilism_has_become_pathological/
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/26/del..._republican_nihilism_has_become_pathological/
Looks like Republicans can stomach Trump all too well. Hate, threats, xenophobia, racism, anger...same old trends finding their natural conclusion?
The irony is those angry over lost jobs, low pay are turning their hopes to a rich guy created by the very system that impoverished them, to fix things.
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Then why all the conservative anger and urgency to elect someone who represents the opposite of everything this country stood for and who every moment rants about how he will wreck things..starting with the 1st Amendmendment?
Loved the GOP but over the last 20-30 years it has morphed into an unrecognizable mess that is now The Republican Party.
First of all, the RNC =/= "Republicans". Same goes for Dems.
And the anger thing is a lot more complicated than lost jobs. I don't know any people in O&G pissed off at the federal government for being laid off. In Houston there surely aren't a bunch of displaced Americans who'd do the hoards of essential construction and hospitality jobs here. Or were willing to go where the jobs actuslly are. I'm not sure that's what voters are angry about.
There are people on the right who are angry about abortion and Obamacare for sure. Which makes Trump as their option incomprehensible.
I guess people are probably angry about guns. And angry that blacks are angry. And angry that we don't just bomb the hell out of the Middle East.
The theme with most of the anger is lack of intelligence, which I feel like a jerk saying. But the right doesn't have a monopoly on that either. It just seems like the not very bright are divided politically by economic class but that's not really anything new.
And the anger thing is a lot more complicated than lost jobs. I don't know any people in O&G pissed off at the federal government for being laid off. In Houston there surely aren't a bunch of displaced Americans who'd do the hoards of essential construction and hospitality jobs here. Or were willing to go where the jobs actuslly are. I'm not sure that's what voters are angry about.
There are people on the right who are angry about abortion and Obamacare for sure. Which makes Trump as their option incomprehensible.
I guess people are probably angry about guns. And angry that blacks are angry. And angry that we don't just bomb the hell out of the Middle East.
The theme with most of the anger is lack of intelligence, which I feel like a jerk saying. But the right doesn't have a monopoly on that either. It just seems like the not very bright are divided politically by economic class but that's not really anything new.
Then why all the conservative anger and urgency to elect someone who represents the opposite of everything this country stood for
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Just bring it back to the reason seems extreme, considering where we have been drug over the past 7+ years.
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Just bring it back to the reason seems extreme, considering where we have been drug over the past 7+ years.
Several reasons...
The DC establishment has entered into numerous trade pacts which encourage the shipment of living wage jobs across our borders yet not one person who supported those treaties is willing to admit the error in their ways or propose anything to fix the issue. Instead the blame the corporations which they passed these rules for in the first place.
Second...we have an entire political party who openly supports a hate group who advocates the killing of peace officers. Who panders to an extremist group to the point of refusing to say that ALL lives matter....and some wonder why the ALL have anger.
Third....we have a health care law passed on lies to the general public. One which has dramatically increased rates for the working class and small business. A working class which has seen an unprecedented drop in their real wages/earning power over the last decade. Yes...they've had enough.
The DC establishment has entered into numerous trade pacts which encourage the shipment of living wage jobs across our borders yet not one person who supported those treaties is willing to admit the error in their ways or propose anything to fix the issue. Instead the blame the corporations which they passed these rules for in the first place.
Second...we have an entire political party who openly supports a hate group who advocates the killing of peace officers. Who panders to an extremist group to the point of refusing to say that ALL lives matter....and some wonder why the ALL have anger.
Third....we have a health care law passed on lies to the general public. One which has dramatically increased rates for the working class and small business. A working class which has seen an unprecedented drop in their real wages/earning power over the last decade. Yes...they've had enough.
My husband's entire team was outsourced overseas (as is a lot of telecom) and we aren't Trump voters. After we had to leave Tulsa for my career. Bigger picture intelligence and sense.
Learn a new skill or trade. Figure out how to go where jobs are. Better yourself in the face of competition instead of thinking you get special treatment as an expensive American who is unwilling to be mobile or make sure you are worth more on merit.
That's Union mentality, frankly.
Learn a new skill or trade. Figure out how to go where jobs are. Better yourself in the face of competition instead of thinking you get special treatment as an expensive American who is unwilling to be mobile or make sure you are worth more on merit.
That's Union mentality, frankly.
It comes from corporations taking advantage of what our lawmakers have handed them to improve profit margins.
Shocking stat......for the first time in our history we have experienced less than 3% GDP for ten consecutive years. Yet there are those who don't understand why the electorate is drawn to guys like Bernie and Donald.
Shocking stat......for the first time in our history we have experienced less than 3% GDP for ten consecutive years. Yet there are those who don't understand why the electorate is drawn to guys like Bernie and Donald.
The lawmakers that also hand them the highest corporate tax levels in the world?
People who are drawn to Bernie and Donald think they are owed something. I'm starting to see this.
People who are drawn to Bernie and Donald think they are owed something. I'm starting to see this.
Stated tax rates are nonsense and are only used as justification to the public of corporate welfare. Look at the effective tax rates this corporations are paying. The tax code is so full of shelters and exceptions that stated rates are meaningless.
No. no. Even Bernie is only talking about what has transpired, the largest inequality in this once great country. Students with enough student debt to cripple their economic prospects, millions of Americans that can't afford medical care when ill, and on and on. No similarity in the two parties when it comes to actual solutions.The Republicans simply want to make the world's greatest inequality even worse.
Said inequality has grown to unprecedented heights under the current Democratic Administration. Median income has dropped over $10k per household since Obama took office. More of the same...no thanks.
Yes...Bernie talks about the problem but gives no realistic solutions. Increasing spending an additional $19T without stated income source is fairy tale stuff. Even the Democratic establishment agrees on this point. Never mind that we've added more to the national deficit in the last 10 years than the prior 200 combined.
As far as being extremist, when neither candidate can state that lives matter due to their efforts to pander to a hate group that's extremist.
Yes...Bernie talks about the problem but gives no realistic solutions. Increasing spending an additional $19T without stated income source is fairy tale stuff. Even the Democratic establishment agrees on this point. Never mind that we've added more to the national deficit in the last 10 years than the prior 200 combined.
As far as being extremist, when neither candidate can state that lives matter due to their efforts to pander to a hate group that's extremist.
No.no, Obama raised the top tier tax rate and capital gains rate on the top tier, can't play that everyone is that same game Poke, your specialty. The only reason the rates weren't increased more is your supply-side mastermind party was threatening to shut down the government again during negotiations. Obama took over a $1.2 trillion dollar annual budget deficit and collapsed economy from Republican W. Bush, so cry me a river when you complain about budget deficits, from Reagan, to Bush 1, to W, that's all you guys know how to do, is to drive up budget deficits. That's your bread and butter, cut top tier rates, and drive up massive deficits, and expect a Democrat president to clean the mess up later. LOL.
Bush submitted a 2009 budget with a projected deficit of $407B. Obama added spending to that budget to increase the deficit to $1.4T which wasn't passed until June of that year. Granted....we were in a recession by that point due to the housing bubble. Obama will have increased the national debt by $8T by the time he leaves office. That's only $3T less than every President before him combined.
Raising the top tier tax rate is little more than a PR stunt. As long as the tax code is full of shelters and loopholes the ultra rich will continue to benefit. One of Warren Buffet's favorite lines is that his secretary pays a higher effective rate than him. Needless to say our tax system is screwed and it's the fault of both parties.
Raising the top tier tax rate is little more than a PR stunt. As long as the tax code is full of shelters and loopholes the ultra rich will continue to benefit. One of Warren Buffet's favorite lines is that his secretary pays a higher effective rate than him. Needless to say our tax system is screwed and it's the fault of both parties.
Warren Buffet was in the news during the negotiations if you remember, he knew the GOP line was BS, that's when he said the line you quoted from him. The top tier went up for tax year 2013 from 35% to 39.6%, there is no where to hide from that rate, and long-term capital gains rates were raised from 15% to 25% on the top tier as well, that's a sizable increase. Now, the top tier starts at $464,000 in 2016, so the vast majority of Americans will not be affected, but that's the problem with America, a huge amount of income is made in that top tier. Most income at the top tier is made in capital gains, so the 10% rise absolutely effects the bottom line there.
You said that income inequality has grown to "unprecedented heights" under President Obama, and it did for his first four years, but these Obama/Democratic tax increases on the top tier didn't take effect until the 2013 tax year, so it was existing tax policy from 2009-2012 that largely fueled that inequality, entirely W's tax code. Very misleading.
Why do people think it is ok to get more taxes form people who work and succeed, to give to people who don't.
Why penalize success?
Encourage people to improve their own situation without becoming dependent on others.
Why penalize success?
Encourage people to improve their own situation without becoming dependent on others.
Because income inequality is destroying this country, it has become the haves and have nots, and the tax code is the only way we can correct the problem, and a whopper of a problem it is. The super rich didn't just become richer by hard work, when most of their income is not actual work, but the work of their investments, their portfolio. And they funded a political party to lower their tax levels at every turn, for the last 35 plus years. Their success as you call it is in electing Republican politicians to enact supply-side top tier rate reductions in both capital gains and federal tax rates, that's the success, that's the hard work that they've done. What you call hard work, I call sitting on one's ass, and making a call to their fund manager, then sending a couple million dollar check (ain't Citizen United grand?) to their candidate of choice, to keep the party going.
East.....no offense but there's an entire tax code full of shelters and loopholes to hide from that rate. As a CPA I'm all to familiar with the tools the rich use to reduce AGI.
Median income dropped by over $800 from 2013 to 2014 per the U.S. census bureau. Where do get this stuff?
Median income dropped by over $800 from 2013 to 2014 per the U.S. census bureau. Where do get this stuff?
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You're acting as though you can hide all income, that you can elude actual rates. I understand the rules very well, know the type of tricks used, but bottom line, they have to stand up to scrutiny under an audit, that's the bottom line. I have no problem with taking what is allowed under the law, I do it all the time, but I promise you this, without question, the individuals paying in that top tier are now paying more, especially in relation to their capital gain income.
Folks, we are arguing about reason #976 to be against Trump. We already have 975. I'm going to forget his family name was once Drumpf which might be reason number 977 to a few people. BTW, more to the point, his grandfather on the Trump sade immigrated from Germany around 1900. Maybe we need to study if you are natural born if your father's father was not born here. Putin has said he likes Trump, therefore Trump may be a former KGB agent.
Concerning the clan, my son was in a college band. The national band fraternity is Kappa Kappa Psi. He had a window sticker that said KKΨ and was asked more than once if he was a Clan member.
Concerning the clan, my son was in a college band. The national band fraternity is Kappa Kappa Psi. He had a window sticker that said KKΨ and was asked more than once if he was a Clan member.
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Stats for the 2013 tax year from the IRS.
Average effective tax rate for an filer making $100k per year was 19.21 %.....that's the top 10%.
Average effective tax rate for a filer making $5M a year was 17.60%.
That's the last year which statistics are available. Digest those numbers for a minute. Pretty ridiculous. Those rates may go up slightly for the super rich but it won't be near the stated increase.
I tend to focus on the 5% increase in dividend tax rates rather than capital gains when tax planning. Too many loopholes and offsets in calculating capitals gains such as offsets from losses, long term treatment, exclusions, as well as section 1031 in the code. All of which allow for effective planning imo.
Average effective tax rate for an filer making $100k per year was 19.21 %.....that's the top 10%.
Average effective tax rate for a filer making $5M a year was 17.60%.
That's the last year which statistics are available. Digest those numbers for a minute. Pretty ridiculous. Those rates may go up slightly for the super rich but it won't be near the stated increase.
I tend to focus on the 5% increase in dividend tax rates rather than capital gains when tax planning. Too many loopholes and offsets in calculating capitals gains such as offsets from losses, long term treatment, exclusions, as well as section 1031 in the code. All of which allow for effective planning imo.
At $100,000.00 per speech, hrc is also part of the rich.
Changes do need to be made to the tax code to eliminate bogus deduction.
Changes do need to be made to the tax code to eliminate bogus deduction.
Not just a "recession", the worst financial meltdown in 70 years which would have been worse if Republican economics had been followed. Bush doubled the national debt in good times and was responsible for a large portion of debt you attribute to Obama.
Agreed that the very wealthy have played the tax code and subsidies game to their benefit as well as avoiding prosecution for financial crimes. Instead taxpayers bail them out.
Caused by failure of the housing industry, because barney frank and Chris dodd thought that everyone should own a home; even if they could not afford it. Bailouts followed.
