Impeachment
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What it should be is treason by way of conspiring with a foreign government to undermine the government of the United States of America. High treason against the US carries a sentence of death. Unfortunately because the humane issue, he won't be hanged in front of the "bigliest crowd ever" on the mall in Washington.
The likely charge would be conspiring with a foreign government to undermine a Federal election and/or accepting improper campaign funds from a foreign government.
The likely charge would be conspiring with a foreign government to undermine a Federal election and/or accepting improper campaign funds from a foreign government.
Treason would have to be the charge imo. Many campaigns have received donations which have originated from foreign entities. They pay a fine and return the money. Hell...our government secretly gave money to the last Israel presidential campaign.
Obstruction of justice.
Tax violations.
Conspiracy to commit various federal crimes, including breaking election laws.
The whole thing will end up being about money laundering through Russian and other banks on behalf of Russian and other organized crime. Russian organized crime is the Russian economy. (It’s like Ozark on Netflix, except with more prostitution and nuclear weapons.) They do a bunch of shady investments, like the Trump complex in Panama City, that act as a vehicle to launder drug and human trafficking money. So whatever all that is will be asserted as a high crime or misdemeanor. There may not be individual criminal liability but he will look like someone who profited from awful stuff and he will resign in shame in order to try to protect the one thing he cares about, his wealth. Also it turns out it’s not a very cool job to have.
Tax violations.
Conspiracy to commit various federal crimes, including breaking election laws.
The whole thing will end up being about money laundering through Russian and other banks on behalf of Russian and other organized crime. Russian organized crime is the Russian economy. (It’s like Ozark on Netflix, except with more prostitution and nuclear weapons.) They do a bunch of shady investments, like the Trump complex in Panama City, that act as a vehicle to launder drug and human trafficking money. So whatever all that is will be asserted as a high crime or misdemeanor. There may not be individual criminal liability but he will look like someone who profited from awful stuff and he will resign in shame in order to try to protect the one thing he cares about, his wealth. Also it turns out it’s not a very cool job to have.
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1. The evidence for obstruction of justice is his own tweet to Sessions that he should not have indicted the two Republican Congressmen and that he should not prosecute it.
2. It is not a court of law. Impeachment and removal is a political act, but it is defined in the Constitution and is very difficult in the second step, designed that way to keep down the chance of the president having many charges brought just to impede him.
2. It is not a court of law. Impeachment and removal is a political act, but it is defined in the Constitution and is very difficult in the second step, designed that way to keep down the chance of the president having many charges brought just to impede him.
In The third world the army would come in and lock him up or maybe blow his brains out .
Voicing ones opinion is interesting . Let's say I'm making rubber ducks and theI guy on the bench next to me says I'm moving kind of slow . That's his opinion . Now if the guy who hired me end that guy can also fire me says that it is a more serious opinion . If the President of the United States tells the world that he thinks the Justice Department is doing wrong and shouldn't do it anymore then it is more than an opinion .
Voicing ones opinion is interesting . Let's say I'm making rubber ducks and theI guy on the bench next to me says I'm moving kind of slow . That's his opinion . Now if the guy who hired me end that guy can also fire me says that it is a more serious opinion . If the President of the United States tells the world that he thinks the Justice Department is doing wrong and shouldn't do it anymore then it is more than an opinion .
From what Trump seems to react to the most, my impression is that the money laundering of Russian oligarch's dough is his hot button. Efforts to get at his tax returns and at what Manafort knows seem generate his most jolting responses while he seems slightly less concerned about the political collusion issues. If so, that explains Manafort's hanging tough despite convictions.
Is Trump still claiming that his returns are under audit? Have to wonder what the limitations or scope of an IRS audit is.
Is Trump still claiming that his returns are under audit? Have to wonder what the limitations or scope of an IRS audit is.
Those are all interesting but it doesn't excuse anything that he might have done . I'm all for investigations of both sides . One controls the country to the extent that it can be controlled .
I wouldn't say there is nothing there. To date there have been 20+ indictments handed down to members of Trump's campaign and members of the Russian gun lobby/mob. Then there's the little piece of Michael Cohen, under oath during his plea hearing, that he funneled money from the campaign to Stormy Daniels as hush money. As a lawyer, Cohen would not provide that info unless he had further hard evidence.
The White Water investigation went on from basically the time Bill Clinton took office until about 2 years before he left (I believe his impeachment hearing took place in 1998). If I recall, Republicans thought Ken Starr should have as much time as required until he dug up something. The only thing they could muster was a man lying about an illicit affair.
Trump knows there is something there. He's also been advised not to fire Mueller or threaten Mueller...which is why he is going after Sessions. He's trying to turn the screws on Sessions so Sessions will fire him. Sessions, even being the mischievous Oompa Loompa that he is, knows better than that.
BTW, Trump is completely unhinged. If they could find an impartial physician and psychiatrist, he would likely be deemed unfit to hold office. Had Reagan been President during the digital age, he would have been impeached for lying about Iran-Contra OR he would have been removed due to the onset of dementia/Alzheimer's (and I'm not saying that as a joke).
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D'oh!!! I fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out...I knew that. Sometimes my fingers seemingly work independently of my brain
What part of "Michael Cohen, as part of his plea hearing, stated that he filtered campaign money as part of a hush money payment to a porn star on behalf of Donald Trump". I am not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that statement will be used as a witness statement as evidence against the Donald J Trump. Hate to tell you, it's pretty tangible.
Manafort has seen what the Russian mob does to people. Putin has had people killed. More reports about Russians poisoning their own spies because of the information they held that could tear this whole thing apart. I am surprised Butina is still alive.
Why would Manafort roll? Trump has already implied he will just pardon everyone anyway. For the lawyers out there, if Trump openly says he will pardon anyone who is indicted/convicted as a result of the Muller investigation, could that be construed as obstruction of justice?
Bull crap. They want him. He’s the one who was involved with the shadiest characters. He’s probably the worst of a disgusting lot, that includes Gen “Treason” Flynn and Michael Cohen, the defender of sex crimes. He was doing business with the people who blew up an airplane and make their living on truly abhorrent acts.
Butina is small time. She got pretty far, but in the end it was a joke she did. They will say they don’t know her and her attorney will negotiate a plea deal once he gets some new glasses from the Robert McNamara estate.
Interesting take on Trump's Russia business dealings which go back decades.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights
Craig Unger bio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Unger
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights
Craig Unger bio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Unger
How is none of this not real evidence?
People have pleaded guilty multiple times.
You’ve always been a dumb ****, but really?
Your president is going down in disgrace. You can come to grips with it or not. But maybe learn some facts, or how to read, or see a psychologist.
It’s not at all you illogical POS. These are felonies. Conspiracy against the United States, mother f#cker. People are going to jail for a long time. I bet it turns out it’s impossible to pardon them.
That said, you compared him to Al Capone. QED.
What are you even taking about? You just waste people’s time. Must suck to be so stupid.
There are multiple guilty pleas. That is admissible evidence. Those witnesses testify, which is also evidence. Even if there were no Russia or money laundering scandal (that’s what a lot of people think this is about), the issue isn’t DNA evidence you toad. It’s that multiple people have admitted to conspiracy. At least one of those guilty pleas directly implicates the president. Do you actually read anything? Oh wait, I know the answer.
There are multiple guilty pleas. That is admissible evidence. Those witnesses testify, which is also evidence. Even if there were no Russia or money laundering scandal (that’s what a lot of people think this is about), the issue isn’t DNA evidence you toad. It’s that multiple people have admitted to conspiracy. At least one of those guilty pleas directly implicates the president. Do you actually read anything? Oh wait, I know the answer.
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He wants to see a certified copy of a deal with Russia.
I think the guilty plea of the campaign manager, who helped run the murderous mob backed regime in Ukraine, and helped amend the GOP platform in 2016, is pretty damn good evidence of that. But you would have to like, read, and maybe know what Ukraine is, to understand that.
My understanding is Manafort is ready to plea guilty to conspiracy against the United States and one other charge AND cooperate with the federal investigation to get the remainder of the charges dropped. Per his attorney the charges will be dropped only after he offers testimony (and not before).
Sounds like Manafort about to throw Donald Jr. and Kushner under the bus...and you know if they knew POTUS knew. I still find it interesting that Manafort is willing to cooperate...and if you're throwing Capone references around...it's like the scene in The Untouchables where Capone all of a sudden realizes that all the money he paid to the jury to acquit him is for nought when the judge orders the jury to be brought to a different courtroom. All of Trump's folks are like rats on the Titanic, all looking for a way out of the nightmare before the ship sinks.
I think Roger Stone is next. The Federal Bureau of prisons will have a difficult time placing him because of the diseases he will bring to the prison population.
Kushner may be in line, but I don’t he think he’s a big target. Just stupid. As for the Eric and Don, Jr., my belief was we no longer incarcerate idiots in this country.
Kushner may be in line, but I don’t he think he’s a big target. Just stupid. As for the Eric and Don, Jr., my belief was we no longer incarcerate idiots in this country.
I'm not a lawyer but if you have 5 people giving corroborating witness testimony and nothing concrete to put doubt in people's minds, I'm pretty sure that will get you convicted.
Yes all these people who were longtime supporters of Trump, and his henchmen mobsters in training are all saying Trump was in a bank when he wasn't really even there. Essentially you will come up with anything you can to prove Trump isn't guilty of anything, no matter how preposterous it is. The sad thing is that there are many people out there who are actually and truly like what this sad troller is pretending.
That’s not even an analogy brau.
Why would people plead guilty and give up massive peraonal wealth and then go after the person who wasn’t there? You realize that if they find out you are lying, you go to jail for that too?
You need to sit this one out. Look at counseling. It’s about to get ugly.
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