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I don't mind it being disclosed either. But....you give it to the FBI as part of it's vetting and have them do what they do...investigate it. Then you bring it public along with the report from the FBI. If you're searching for the truth then that is the proper sequence.

This isn't the way our system should work...period.
 
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So... the Democrats have no questions for this woman, but plenty of accusations against the Republicans...

This is an excercise in posturing... purely to help the Dems in the fall.

They don’t give a crap about this woman.
 
Doesn't sound like we're going to get any new info out of this hearing. Ford has done well though, her personality and demeanor is impressive considering the pressure involved, and I'm sure there will be good optics for Dems.
 
I don't mind it being disclosed either. But....you give it to the FBI as part of it's vetting and have them do what they do...investigate it. Then you bring it public along with the report from the FBI. If you're searching for the truth then that is the proper sequence.

This isn't the way our system should work...period.
I have a pretty high level of confidence that there's a lot of things that are handed to the FBI and not corroborated, but are not disproven either which don't end up in these hearings. It's hard to prove a negative of course, and it's a case of he said she said. I just think this speaks to Kavanaugh's character his own college roommates said he was capable of some of these accusations. There has to be somebody better to put on the court. This body should be filled with the (theoretically) 9 most moralistic and brightest people in the country. Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be one of America's 9 best.
 
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I have a pretty high level of confidence that there's a lot of things that are handed to the FBI and not corroborated, but are not disproven either which don't end up in these hearings. It's hard to prove a negative of course, and it's a case of he said she said. I just think this speaks to Kavanaugh's character his own college roommates said he was capable of some of these accusations. There has to be somebody better to put on the court. This body should be filled with the (theoretically) 9 most moralistic and brightest people in the country. Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be one of America's 9 best.

It should be filled with 9 strict constructionists.
 
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I have a pretty high level of confidence that there's a lot of things that are handed to the FBI and not corroborated, but are not disproven either which don't end up in these hearings. It's hard to prove a negative of course, and it's a case of he said she said. I just think this speaks to Kavanaugh's character his own college roommates said he was capable of some of these accusations. There has to be somebody better to put on the court. This body should be filled with the (theoretically) 9 most moralistic and brightest people in the country. Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be one of America's 9 best.

His college roommates have said he's capable or rape or sexual assault? The only direct comments I've seen are from the few people which Ford identified as being at the party which refute her account.

...and yes the FBI can't prove or disprove everything but you sure as hell need to give them the opportunity during vetting if you're going to accuse someone of sexual assault.
 
I think Aston is referring to several people who said Kavanaugh used to get hammered a lot in high school/college. I am unfortunately disqualified from ever serving on the Supreme Court
 
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I think Aston is referring to several people who said Kavanaugh used to get hammered a lot in high school/college. I am unfortunately disqualified from ever serving on the Supreme Court

As am I. I hope I'm never judged by what I was like in high school and college. Looking back there were a number of things I'm not proud of and which I would change if I could. That's the 54 year old me looking back at the 19 year old me though. I would like to think it's in now way a reflection of who I am today. This isn't directed at Kav or Ford but just a general comment about the stupid and immature things I did as a teenager.
 
I think Aston is referring to several people who said Kavanaugh used to get hammered a lot in high school/college. I am unfortunately disqualified from ever serving on the Supreme Court
As am I... but I don't think I should be on the supreme court. We all know people who we think would be good for positions like that. How often was it one of the hard partiers in school?
 
As am I. I hope I'm never judged by what I was like in high school and college. Looking back there were a number of things I'm not proud of and which I would change if I could. That's the 54 year old me looking back at the 19 year old me though. I would like to think it's in now way a reflection of who I am today. This isn't directed at Kav or Ford but just a general comment about the stupid and immature things I did as a teenager.
I think the stupid and immature things we all did as teenagers do have some baring because there were some teenagers who didn't do those same things. Those are the people we should be looking for.

The best and the brightest. Not just the above average who did pretty well later on but were kind of pieces of :crap:e early on in their lives.
 
Not the Supreme Court but I have a hunch that some of our most admired Presidents (both parties) likely partied hard in their teens and early 20s.

...I think Aston just called me a piece of :crap:e :)
 
Not the Supreme Court but I have a hunch that some of our most admired Presidents (both parties) likely partied hard in their teens and early 20s.

...I think Aston just called me a piece of :crap:e :)
Called myself one too. And I was (am?) one. Again, I don't think any of us should be on the SC. Give me a John Marshall instead of a Bill Clinton.
 
His college roommates have said he's capable or rape or sexual assault? The only direct comments I've seen are from the few people which Ford identified as being at the party which refute her account.

...and yes the FBI can't prove or disprove everything but you sure as hell need to give them the opportunity during vetting if you're going to accuse someone of sexual assault.
Yes, he did. His freshman roommate. I can't find the link right now. He said he never witnessed a rape or sexual assault, but that Brett was a mean and sloppy drunk who also drank to excess a lot. He didn't say whether he believed any one particular account, but said that none of it would be out of character.
 
Not the Supreme Court but I have a hunch that some of our most admired Presidents (both parties) likely partied hard in their teens and early 20s.

...I think Aston just called me a piece of :crap:e :)


Actual footage of George W. Bush and Barack Obama meeting at a college party
 
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I don't think we can make it an unspoken requirement that all our supreme court justices were choir boys. Not being a choir boy is how you can learn some hard lessons in becoming a man. Being a goody two shoes is not always a best route to learning those lessons. But it appears Kavanaugh was well over the line of a hard partier, and was one of the ring leaders for acts such as dosing the punch w/ pure grain, agressive with women sexually, etc, etc. It is a fine line one treads in assessing judges, but Kavanaugh seems to be once again, well over that line, if one believes most of the accusations.
 
I don't think we can make it an unspoken requirement that all our supreme court justices were choir boys. Not being a choir boy is how you can learn some hard lessons in becoming a man. Being a goody two shoes is not always a best route to learning those lessons. But it appears Kavanaugh was well over the line of a hard partier, and was one of the ring leaders for acts such as dosing the punch w/ pure grain, agressive with women sexually, etc, etc. It is a fine line one treads in assessing judges, but Kavanaugh seems to be once again, well over that line, if one believes most of the accusations.
I'm not saying they needed to be a teatotaler... just that Kavanaugh seems pretty excessive even without the assault allegation.

Also, there is no requirement for anyone to have learned to "be a man" to serve on the supreme court. In fact... you could even be a woman! GASP!

Or maybe you could even be gay and "be a man" with a limp wrist.
 
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Also, there is no requirement for anyone to have learned to "be a man" to serve on the supreme court. In fact... you could even be a woman! GASP!

Or maybe you could even be gay.
Learn to be a man, learn to be a woman, learn to be human.
Are you saying a gay man is not a man.

Come on, I was referring to Kavanaugh, that's why I said man. Quit crapping on me simply because you can. Hopefully you knew what I meant, if you didn't, well...

I guess you like referring to people as Ze/Zirs.

That was some weak sauce you attacked with...
 
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You corrected after I posted, you first said "be gay" then you corrected "to be gay and "be a man" with a limp wrist." Nice tap dancing.
 
Learn to be a man, learn to be a woman, learn to be human.
Are you saying a gay man is not a man.

Come on, I was referring to Kavanaugh, that's why I said man. Quit crapping on me simply because you can. Hopefully you knew what I meant, if you didn't, well...

I guess you like referring to people as Ze/Zirs.

That was some weak sauce you attacked with...
I'm just saying that "learning to be a man" has nothing to do with your ability or aptitude for the supreme court.
 
You corrected after I posted, you first said "be gay" then you corrected "to be gay and "be a man" with a limp wrist." Nice tap dancing.
It was a joke. Also why I'll never be on the supreme court. I'm empathetic to everyone, but reverent to no one. lol
 
I'm far more interested in what a candidate for the court or President or anything for that matter has done in the last 35 years of his life than what they did in the teens or college years as far as drinking and partying. Sexual assault if proven is another matter.

If we're going to judge someone ability to make reasoned and just decisions based on their teenage and college years then I believe Presidential candidates must be included. Supreme Court Justice is one of nine decision makers on legal questions. A President has far more power (much of it dangerous) based on his decision making.
 
You make arguments just to make arguments.

I guess I should have said Learn to be human just to avoid all this bull:crap: argument with you. But I don't alter my language for BS. Learning to be a man is the same as learning to be human in this context. It is about learning the hard lessons in life no matter what sex you are. Stop turning this into a gender argument when you know it isn't.
 
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If it was meant as a joke it was poorly timed, and stated in the wrong way to be funny and not appear like it was a criticism.
 
Bill Clinton stayed in office after he was impeached, and accused of rape.

Many dem senators stayed in office after using taxpayer money to payoff their hush money.

What is different now?
Paula Jones accused Clinton of sexual harassment. There's a difference between that and rape. Kathleen Willey essentially accused Clinton of what could be construed as sexual assault/battery when she said he groped her in the hallway. After this was investigated, it turns out she was not being truthful. Several witnesses came forward to testify that Willey asked them to lie on her behalf in her claim against Clinton. Willey's statements were also at odds with the ones she mentioned in her Paula Jones' case testimony.

I don't agree with Clinton's sexual debauchery and shenanigans but the Senate voted to not remove him from office. A Senate that had a GOP majority. BTW, just so you understand fully, Clinton wasn't impeached by the house because of sexual harassment or having an illicit affair with Monica Lewinsky. He was impeached for not being honest about those indiscretions, specifically the one with Lewinsky while under oath.

Kavanaugh is now accused of being a serial rapist. It's more than just the professor affirming the stories of his high school and college party escapades and the m.o. of attempting to drug women through the drinks at the party and setting up a "rape room" where guys lined up for their turn is sickening. Most people would have found it disgusting and sickening in the 80's and most people find it sickening now. Because the Senate gave Clinton a pass doesn't mean they should give this ass-clown women-hater a pass.

BTW, Al Franken was forced to resign his seat for something that happened 20 years ago. So don't say the Dems have been getting a pass. And no one on this board who is Dem or GOP should be advocating that they get a pass if they are responsible for what they have been accused of.
 
To be fair, Al Franken was forced to resign due to pictures of said harassment being released. He's still serving imo without the visual evidence.
 
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Anger should be directed at the “Lion of the Senate”, Ted Kennedy. He’s the one that started these circus hearings when he politicized the Bork nomination.
He didn't necessarily politicize it as much as use Bork's ideology against him. Bork said the executive branch should have more power than a panel of 9 appointed people who the public never voted for. He also said he thought that many of the civil rights cases SCOTUS heard under the Warren and Burger courts were decided incorrectly and that states should have the ability to disenfranchise people (he basically stated he believed states should be able to charge a poll tax if they wanted). In reading up on Bork, he had some pretty weird and extremist views as it pertained to the law. He also had some great quotes that SCOTUS judges should only decide cases from within the Constitution instead of getting wrapped in their own beliefs and deciding from within themselves.

And Kennedy didn't really politicize it as much as you think. 6 GOP Senators voted against Bork's nomination, 2 Dem Senators (including OK's own David Boren) voted for him. He was not confirmed by the Senate by a vote of 58 against, 42 for. It really wasn't all that close. By contrast, Reagan then nominated Anthony Kennedy who was confirmed by a 97-0 vote.

Extreme ideological views either way have no place in SCOTUS. I would take a panel of 9 Anthony Kennedys right now and Americans should demand that. Instead, POTUS sells nominations to the highest bidders like the NRA and the National Association of Evangelicals.

BTW, Orrin Hatch, who sometimes comes off as a GOP lackey with no spine and at other times seems like he might have a conscience and actually vote the way the people of Utah want him to, mentioned several times during Obama's presidency that Merrick Garland would have near unanimous Senate support if Obama nominated him as he was a consideration for the seats that eventually went to Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagan. Hatch basically goaded Obama into the nomination of Garland during 2016. McConnell played his dumb Elmer Fudd act and neglected his Constitutional duty of having a hearing and thus setting a precedent that no POTUS will really ever have a nominee that is slightly controversial ever confirmed again as each side will use the "it's an election year" excuse...as pretty much every year is an election year now.
 
I don't mind it being disclosed either. But....you give it to the FBI as part of it's vetting and have them do what they do...investigate it. Then you bring it public along with the report from the FBI. If you're searching for the truth then that is the proper sequence.

This isn't the way our system should work...period.
But the GOP Chairman of the Judiciary Committee would have suppressed it like all the e-mails containing racist overtones and strategy on how to get racial profiling to not be unConstitutional.
 
Interesting fact...Garland attended the same prep school as Kavanaugh.
Garland is 2 years younger. I think we discussed it earlier but Garland was a nerd and didn't run in the same circles according to everything I've read.

BTW, that prep school sounds like the precursor to the KE's at TU (at least when I was an undergrad at TU).
 
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Doesn't sound like we're going to get any new info out of this hearing. Ford has done well though, her personality and demeanor is impressive considering the pressure involved, and I'm sure there will be good optics for Dems.
I'm not sure Ford's testimony is the most damning for Kavanaugh. I thought the Swetnick(sp?) affidavit yesterday was pretty damning and had a lot of detailed info about these parties that likely could easily be corroborated by others in the know of these parties.
 
Did he do it? Most likely.

Is he guilt by the definition of the law? No, there is no chance there's evidence to find him guilty as a juror.

Charges never get filed much less get to a jury. This isn't a criminal court though. It's a political circus where power (votes) are the prize.
 
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There's an interesting picture on Twitter where it looks like Feinstein and Murkowski are discussing something. I've also heard that Susan Collins in Maine is under a lot of constituent pressure to vote nay on this nomination (besides a PAC has put up $1M to her opponent if she votes yes).
 
Garland is 2 years younger. I think we discussed it earlier but Garland was a nerd and didn't run in the same circles according to everything I've read.

BTW, that prep school sounds like the precursor to the KE's at TU (at least when I was an undergrad at TU).
The tool shed.
 
Garland is 2 years younger. I think we discussed it earlier but Garland was a nerd and didn't run in the same circles according to everything I've read.

BTW, that prep school sounds like the precursor to the KE's at TU (at least when I was an undergrad at TU).
Sounds similar to the Pike's when I was on campus.('87-'93) They even had one or two rape charges enter the court system if I remember correctly.
 
K is not on trial, he is auditioning for the judicial all star team. Down side, he still starts in the majors. Trump is counting on K protecting him since Sessions cannot.

Honesty is a fundamental requirement for SCOTUS. K’s responses are difficult to buy given the multitude of conflicting voices.

Why isn’t K asking for the FBI review? Instead he has gone full Trump and gone angry and calling this a national disgrace.
 
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