Does Monty Deserve A Extension

[TU4ever2]

You can believe what you like, but $2 million will make you the lowest paid coach in the AAC, except for Tulsa ($1.6 million) and whatever Tulane and Temple are paying their people. Tulane paid $1.6 in 2018. Temple paid Collins $1.9 in 2019. Dykes makes $1.3 as a base but it’s performance based and gets a bonus for finding his car keys.

Youre thinking is perhaps ten years outdated. Nobody is signing to coach for Tulsa while we are in the AAC and agreeing to get paid less than what we paid Graham a decade ago. Unless they are alumni with no other realistic shot at any other job. Or some random high school guy. Or both. And we saw how that turned out.

North Texas paying $1.8. Rice paying $1.5 plus incentives. I supposed if you want to troll the Sun Belt for some guys, you’ll find reasonably competent dudes that everyone else wants who aren’t coming to Tulsa to make $200K more than the $800 they are making.

We are going to have to spend money. And protect that investment. And support that investment. And structure that investment so it looks like a commitment. Thank god we’ve got Rick.

Some of you live in really nice neighborhoods with really nice recently purchased cars in the garage. In a neighborhood where you are expected to have a nice car. And the rules don’t say you have to have one, but you have to park it in the garage. When the newest owner down the street parked his 2013 Camry in the driveway, it raised eyebrows from some neighbors, angered others, and a couple got together to get the HOA to fine him and uninvite he and his wife to holiday party. Similarly, schools have nice coaches parked inside their IPFs and new facilities. You put a $700,000 high school coach and dont build the IPF or update the facilities after 15 years and you’ll find you killed your own golden goose when they take their TV money and move on. And screw you out of home games. And send unsympathetic refs. And tattle to the NCAA. And ignore you on Twitter, etc.

*Sigh
Mormons also don't follow BYU football.


Here is a run down of coaches making less than Monty according to USA today:

70 UAB CUSA Bill Clark $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,615,000 $0 $9,114,583
71 Wyoming MWC Craig Bohl $1,512,000 $0 $1,512,000 $1,512,000 $0 $5,025,000
72 Colorado State MWC Steve Addazio $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $0 $5,000,000
73 UNLV MWC Marcus Arroyo $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $0 $4,743,750
74 East Carolina AAC Mike Houston $1,505,000 $26,538 $1,478,462 $1,478,462 $26,538 $1,500,000
75 Southern Methodist AAC Sonny Dykes -- -- -- $1,340,314 -- --
76 Rice CUSA Mike Bloomgren -- -- -- $1,332,308 -- --
77 Fresno State MWC Kalen DeBoer $1,300,000 $0 $1,300,000 $1,300,000 $0 $5,807,833
78 Connecticut INDEP Randy Edsall $1,256,000 $0 $1,256,000 $1,256,000 $0 $0
79 Toledo MAC Jason Candle $1,175,000 $76,923 $1,098,077 $1,098,077 $76,923 $2,158,333
80 Florida International CUSA Butch Davis $1,041,863 $0 $1,041,863 $1,041,863 $0 $1,081,935
81 UL Lafayette S-Belt Billy Napier $1,005,000 $0 $1,005,000 $1,005,000 $0 $4,603,229
82 San Diego State MWC Brady Hoke $1,000,000 $0 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $5,083,333
83 Middle Tennessee CUSA Rick Stockstill $901,504 $0 $901,504 $912,504 $0 $5,820,403
84 Utah State MWC Gary Andersen $900,000 $0 $900,000 $900,000 $0 $2,081,250
85 Charlotte CUSA Will Healy $855,000 $0 $855,000 $855,000 $0 $2,609,167
86 San Jose State MWC Brent Brennan $850,000 $0 $850,000 $850,000 $0 $3,511,111
87 Central Michigan MAC Jim McElwain $815,000 $6,000 $809,000 $809,000 $6,000 $2,000,000
88 Texas State S-Belt Jake Spavital $800,000 $0 $800,000 $802,000 $0 $1,196,712
89 Arkansas State S-Belt Blake Anderson $825,000 $37,500 $787,500 $787,857 $82,500 $1,541,667
90 Old Dominion CUSA Ricky Rahne $775,000 $0 $775,000 $775,000 $0 $2,296,875
91 Hawaii MWC Todd Graham $760,000 $0 $760,000 $760,000 $0 $1,735,417
92 Marshall CUSA Doc Holliday $762,570 $7,000 $755,570 $758,320 $7,000 $452,375
93 Appalachian State S-Belt Shawn Clark $750,000 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $5,000,000
94 Florida Atlantic CUSA Willie Taggart $750,000 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $2,225,000
95 Western Kentucky CUSA Tyson Helton $800,000 $53,333 $746,667 $746,667 $80,000 $900,000
96 Texas-San Antonio CUSA Jeff Traylor $800,000 $57,500 $742,500 $742,500 $141,500 $2,610,379
97 New Mexico MWC Danny Gonzales $725,000 $0 $725,000 $725,000 $0 $2,000,000
98 Texas El Paso CUSA Dana Dimel $711,999 $0 $711,999 $714,499 $0 $1,542,665
99 Western Michigan MAC Tim Lester $800,000 $100,000 $700,000 $709,700 $200,000 $500,000
100 Louisiana Tech CUSA Skip Holtz $700,000 $0 $700,000 $704,000 $0 $3,733,333
101 Georgia Southern S-Belt Chad Lunsford $680,000 $0 $680,000 $680,000 $0 $1,056,667
102 Troy S-Belt Chip Lindsey $675,000 $0 $675,000 $675,000 $0 $1,730,625
103 Massachusetts INDEP Walt Bell $660,000 $31,250 $628,750 $628,750 $62,500 $1,453,750
104 Nevada MWC Jay Norvell $625,000 $0 $625,000 $625,000 $0 $2,604,167
105 Buffalo MAC Lance Leipold $624,300 $0 $624,300 $624,300 $0 $1,936,725
106 South Alabama S-Belt Steve Campbell $617,400 $0 $617,400 $617,400 $0 $348,484
107 Georgia State S-Belt Shawn Elliott $604,800 $0 $604,800 $604,800 $0 $625,000
108 Northern Illinois MAC Thomas Hammock $620,204 $52,020 $568,184 $568,184 $52,020 $1,380,693
109 Ohio MAC Frank Solich $589,928 $29,497 $560,431 $561,431 $58,993 $604,676
110 Miami (Ohio) MAC Chuck Martin $550,000 $36,667 $513,333 $513,333 $55,000 $1,500,000
111 Southern Mississippi CUSA Jay Hopson $500,000 $0 $500,000 $501,000 $0 $583,333
112 Bowling Green MAC Scot Loeffler $530,000 $50,000 $480,000 $480,000 $100,000 $1,560,417
113 Eastern Michigan MAC Chris Creighton $480,000 $20,575 $459,425 $459,425 $41,150 $800,000
114 Akron MAC Tom Arth $500,000 $45,833 $454,167 $454,167 $100,000 $921,719
115 Ball State MAC Mike Neu $468,000 $25,167 $442,833 $447,833 $45,300 $984,018
116 Kent State MAC Sean Lewis $460,000 $26,833 $433,167 $433,167 $46,000 $750,000
117 New Mexico State INDEP Doug Martin $429,000 $0 $429,000 $430,000 $0 $303,875
118 UL Monroe S-Belt Matt Viator $390,000 $0 $390,000 $390,000 $0 $175,000
119 Coastal Carolina S-Belt Jamey Chadwell $375,000 $56,0

In italics and underlined are AAC teams, in bold are the majority of the MWC.

It's not my thinking that is outdated by a decade, it's yours. Simply put we pay better than roughly half the jobs in FBS right now and exist in a league that has a pretty good grip on a NY6 bid. That is just the sort of school an up and coming coach wants to go to. Especially to a school that has proven you can win there, in this conference and against the teams before the conference. Even more so because the administration has shown patience with its staff.

Win at Tulsa get in a NY6, cash in at Virginia Tech, Nebraska, Florida St., Baylor, or Oregon who didn't even need a NY6 on the resume of the AAC coach they hired. That's with out looking at the fact that Tulsa has stepped up and spent for winning coaches as well as doing a decent job of keeping up with facilities, although our lack of an IPF is glaring.

Sorry this isn't the crap job you want it to be. To point that out further, there are 65 p5 teams and ten other AAC teams, including some assumptions TU pay ranks in the upper 70s roughly about where it belongs and that doesn't factor in the difference in cost of living from say Houston, Los Angeles, Dallas, or any Florida city. We also don't have all the bells and whistles those cities do.

This job isn't for everyone but what we pay isn't a deciding issue.

 

[URedskin54]

*Sigh
Mormons also don't follow BYU football.


Here is a run down of coaches making less than Monty according to USA today:

70 UAB CUSA Bill Clark $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,615,000 $0 $9,114,583
71 Wyoming MWC Craig Bohl $1,512,000 $0 $1,512,000 $1,512,000 $0 $5,025,000
72 Colorado State MWC Steve Addazio $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $0 $5,000,000
73 UNLV MWC Marcus Arroyo $1,500,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $0 $4,743,750
74 East Carolina AAC Mike Houston $1,505,000 $26,538 $1,478,462 $1,478,462 $26,538 $1,500,000
75 Southern Methodist AAC Sonny Dykes -- -- -- $1,340,314 -- --
76 Rice CUSA Mike Bloomgren -- -- -- $1,332,308 -- --
77 Fresno State MWC Kalen DeBoer $1,300,000 $0 $1,300,000 $1,300,000 $0 $5,807,833
78 Connecticut INDEP Randy Edsall $1,256,000 $0 $1,256,000 $1,256,000 $0 $0
79 Toledo MAC Jason Candle $1,175,000 $76,923 $1,098,077 $1,098,077 $76,923 $2,158,333
80 Florida International CUSA Butch Davis $1,041,863 $0 $1,041,863 $1,041,863 $0 $1,081,935
81 UL Lafayette S-Belt Billy Napier $1,005,000 $0 $1,005,000 $1,005,000 $0 $4,603,229
82 San Diego State MWC Brady Hoke $1,000,000 $0 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $5,083,333
83 Middle Tennessee CUSA Rick Stockstill $901,504 $0 $901,504 $912,504 $0 $5,820,403
84 Utah State MWC Gary Andersen $900,000 $0 $900,000 $900,000 $0 $2,081,250
85 Charlotte CUSA Will Healy $855,000 $0 $855,000 $855,000 $0 $2,609,167
86 San Jose State MWC Brent Brennan $850,000 $0 $850,000 $850,000 $0 $3,511,111
87 Central Michigan MAC Jim McElwain $815,000 $6,000 $809,000 $809,000 $6,000 $2,000,000
88 Texas State S-Belt Jake Spavital $800,000 $0 $800,000 $802,000 $0 $1,196,712
89 Arkansas State S-Belt Blake Anderson $825,000 $37,500 $787,500 $787,857 $82,500 $1,541,667
90 Old Dominion CUSA Ricky Rahne $775,000 $0 $775,000 $775,000 $0 $2,296,875
91 Hawaii MWC Todd Graham $760,000 $0 $760,000 $760,000 $0 $1,735,417
92 Marshall CUSA Doc Holliday $762,570 $7,000 $755,570 $758,320 $7,000 $452,375
93 Appalachian State S-Belt Shawn Clark $750,000 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $5,000,000
94 Florida Atlantic CUSA Willie Taggart $750,000 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $2,225,000
95 Western Kentucky CUSA Tyson Helton $800,000 $53,333 $746,667 $746,667 $80,000 $900,000
96 Texas-San Antonio CUSA Jeff Traylor $800,000 $57,500 $742,500 $742,500 $141,500 $2,610,379
97 New Mexico MWC Danny Gonzales $725,000 $0 $725,000 $725,000 $0 $2,000,000
98 Texas El Paso CUSA Dana Dimel $711,999 $0 $711,999 $714,499 $0 $1,542,665
99 Western Michigan MAC Tim Lester $800,000 $100,000 $700,000 $709,700 $200,000 $500,000
100 Louisiana Tech CUSA Skip Holtz $700,000 $0 $700,000 $704,000 $0 $3,733,333
101 Georgia Southern S-Belt Chad Lunsford $680,000 $0 $680,000 $680,000 $0 $1,056,667
102 Troy S-Belt Chip Lindsey $675,000 $0 $675,000 $675,000 $0 $1,730,625
103 Massachusetts INDEP Walt Bell $660,000 $31,250 $628,750 $628,750 $62,500 $1,453,750
104 Nevada MWC Jay Norvell $625,000 $0 $625,000 $625,000 $0 $2,604,167
105 Buffalo MAC Lance Leipold $624,300 $0 $624,300 $624,300 $0 $1,936,725
106 South Alabama S-Belt Steve Campbell $617,400 $0 $617,400 $617,400 $0 $348,484
107 Georgia State S-Belt Shawn Elliott $604,800 $0 $604,800 $604,800 $0 $625,000
108 Northern Illinois MAC Thomas Hammock $620,204 $52,020 $568,184 $568,184 $52,020 $1,380,693
109 Ohio MAC Frank Solich $589,928 $29,497 $560,431 $561,431 $58,993 $604,676
110 Miami (Ohio) MAC Chuck Martin $550,000 $36,667 $513,333 $513,333 $55,000 $1,500,000
111 Southern Mississippi CUSA Jay Hopson $500,000 $0 $500,000 $501,000 $0 $583,333
112 Bowling Green MAC Scot Loeffler $530,000 $50,000 $480,000 $480,000 $100,000 $1,560,417
113 Eastern Michigan MAC Chris Creighton $480,000 $20,575 $459,425 $459,425 $41,150 $800,000
114 Akron MAC Tom Arth $500,000 $45,833 $454,167 $454,167 $100,000 $921,719
115 Ball State MAC Mike Neu $468,000 $25,167 $442,833 $447,833 $45,300 $984,018
116 Kent State MAC Sean Lewis $460,000 $26,833 $433,167 $433,167 $46,000 $750,000
117 New Mexico State INDEP Doug Martin $429,000 $0 $429,000 $430,000 $0 $303,875
118 UL Monroe S-Belt Matt Viator $390,000 $0 $390,000 $390,000 $0 $175,000
119 Coastal Carolina S-Belt Jamey Chadwell $375,000 $56,0

In italics and underlined are AAC teams, in bold are the majority of the MWC.

It's not my thinking that is outdated by a decade, it's yours. Simply put we pay better than roughly half the jobs in FBS right now and exist in a league that has a pretty good grip on a NY6 bid. That is just the sort of school an up and coming coach wants to go to. Especially to a school that has proven you can win there, in this conference and against the teams before the conference. Even more so because the administration has shown patience with its staff.

Win at Tulsa get in a NY6, cash in at Virginia Tech, Nebraska, Florida St., Baylor, or Oregon who didn't even need a NY6 on the resume of the AAC coach they hired. That's with out looking at the fact that Tulsa has stepped up and spent for winning coaches as well as doing a decent job of keeping up with facilities, although our lack of an IPF is glaring.

Sorry this isn't the crap job you want it to be. To point that out further, there are 65 p5 teams and ten other AAC teams, including some assumptions TU pay ranks in the upper 70s roughly about where it belongs and that doesn't factor in the difference in cost of living from say Houston, Los Angeles, Dallas, or any Florida city. We also don't have all the bells and whistles those cities do.

This job isn't for everyone but what we pay isn't a deciding issue.

I don’t have a dog in the fight, just enjoying the conversation, but does this actually refute what he said? That’s two AAC coaches making less than Monty. I thought that and the point that bargain hunting and not investing in the program doesn’t turn out well very often was the gist of what he was saying. Maybe I’m misunderstanding

 

[drboobay]

Back to the car analogy, I am the fellow who is going to drive the used Toyota for 10 years and buy another. Matters not how much money I have. Screw the neighbors

No idea how this relates to Monty's contract.

 

[HuffyCane]

Thanks for providing the raw data that confirms my previous statements regarding what our peer institutions pay, as well as regional schools you consider lesser institutions such as Rice and North Texas.

Now, you stated that you believe that Tulsa is a program where you can win and move on to a bigger program. Ten years is quite a long time in this business. Twenty if we are talking basketball. I’m not sure the coaching world shares your view. Especially when they hear about cutting salaries and refusing to except booster donations/delaying construction.

Please go back on that list and tell us specifically, who on that list, that has a winning record, that has documented success recruiting Oklahoma and Texas, with a commitment to a passing attack, would want to come to Tulsa to make $960,000 and be the last in the conference in terms of pay by $500,000 and stand alongside coaches making $5 million. I don’t think Frank Solich is going to make Tulsa football great again.

Would that person be happy or do you think they would be shopping immediately and leave us with a couple of recruiting classes the next guy might not be able to use? Who would take such a job, especially if other opportunities are open? Why would that person, a “hot and upcoming coach” take such an offer with better ones on the table now or next year? You may only get one opportunity. You take the one that sets you up for life. Don’t ask me, ask Monty.

You cite to coaches winning the NY6 and cashing in. Since you like to research, what was Frost, Fickell, Houston, etc making the year they went to those bowls out of the American? It wasn’t $960,000

As for facilities, we are finally getting out from under austerity but 12 years without a significant targeted renovation is an eternity especially without an IPF or other expansion. We like to think of our school as a stepping stone, it’s an attractive and romantic notion, but nobody has “stepped” since our stadium and arena was brand new/reconstructed. That’s not a coincidence.

Also, please concisely explain to Mr. Aresco why you think it’s a good idea for one of the conference’s most successful programs to undercut his P6 efforts by paying CUSA money to coaches.

We need to be shrewd about the next hire. Not look for the lowest bidder looking to use us to get to a pay day.

 

[HuffyCane]

Back to the car analogy, I am the fellow who is going to drive the used Toyota for 10 years and buy another. Matters not how much money I have. Screw the neighbors

No idea how this relates to Monty's contract.

I think we all are. And it’s a way of saying that the American is great and the money is nice, but it may not suit us long term unless we are able to evolve. Not sure we can. Or want to. At least one us doesn’t.

 

[drboobay]

I think we all are. And it’s a way of saying that the American is great and the money is nice, but it may not suit us long term unless we are able to evolve. Not sure we can. Or want to. At least one us doesn’t.

I might change to a used Honda. I enjoyed a Mitsubishi too.

Moved up from buying 6 year old used cars to 3 year old ones too.

Does that change anything?

 

[HuffyCane]

I might change to a used Honda. I enjoyed a Mitsubishi too.

Moved up from buying 6 year old used cars to 3 year old ones too.

Dies that change anything?

Actually yes. A nice reliable used Mercedes might fit nicely on the block. With some wax, it could be distinctive. And while I don’t want him to come back, TG would fit in the category of used Mercedes, as long as we can park him in an IPF garage. But he ain’t coming back for less than he made in 2008 with our TV money increasing by 6 fold.

 

[drboobay]

Actually yes. A nice reliable used Mercedes might fit nicely on the block. With some wax, it could be distinctive. And while I don’t want him to come back, TG would fit in the category of used Mercedes, as long as we can park him in an IPF garage. But he ain’t coming back for less than he made in 2008 with our TV money increasing by 6 fold.

May I have a used Audi instead? Please?

 

[HuffyCane]

May I have a used Audi instead? Please?

As long as you agree to be the quirky guy at the end of the cul de sac with the European appliances and two grills in the backyard who always volunteers for everything.

 

[TU Man]

You pay an up and comer 2/3 of what Monty makes, and he’s gone in four years if he’s good and we start over.

it is the ONLY recipe that has ever worked at TU in fball or Bball

 

[noble cane]

May I have a used Audi instead? Please?

I bought a used corvette a few yrs ago.. is saban retiring soon and need a hobby?

 

[TU 1978]

He deserves hair extensions.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Thanks for providing the raw data that confirms my previous statements regarding what our peer institutions pay, as well as regional schools you consider lesser institutions such as Rice and North Texas.

Now, you stated that you believe that Tulsa is a program where you can win and move on to a bigger program. Ten years is quite a long time in this business. Twenty if we are talking basketball. I’m not sure the coaching world shares your view. Especially when they hear about cutting salaries and refusing to except booster donations/delaying construction.

Please go back on that list and tell us specifically, who on that list, that has a winning record, that has documented success recruiting Oklahoma and Texas, with a commitment to a passing attack, would want to come to Tulsa to make $960,000 and be the last in the conference in terms of pay by $500,000 and stand alongside coaches making $5 million. I don’t think Frank Solich is going to make Tulsa football great again.

Would that person be happy or do you think they would be shopping immediately and leave us with a couple of recruiting classes the next guy might not be able to use? Who would take such a job, especially if other opportunities are open? Why would that person, a “hot and upcoming coach” take such an offer with better ones on the table now or next year? You may only get one opportunity. You take the one that sets you up for life. Don’t ask me, ask Monty.

You cite to coaches winning the NY6 and cashing in. Since you like to research, what was Frost, Fickell, Houston, etc making the year they went to those bowls out of the American? It wasn’t $960,000

As for facilities, we are finally getting out from under austerity but 12 years without a significant targeted renovation is an eternity especially without an IPF or other expansion. We like to think of our school as a stepping stone, it’s an attractive and romantic notion, but nobody has “stepped” since our stadium and arena was brand new/reconstructed. That’s not a coincidence.

Also, please concisely explain to Mr. Aresco why you think it’s a good idea for one of the conference’s most successful programs to undercut his P6 efforts by paying CUSA money to coaches.

We need to be shrewd about the next hire. Not look for the lowest bidder looking to use us to get to a pay day.

Oh yeah and while we are paying that cheapskate salary, let's brag about our conference's value to a new coach and ask him for a low buyout on his contract as well. Everybody else in our conference has similar deals, so it should be no problem getting that kind of contract with a new coach for us, NOT.

He wants to cheapskate all the way around the block, and thinks that's a winning combination. You don't look for a lowball deal w/ a lowball buyout. That lead's to a lowball program with a lowball performance. As said already, that get's you lots of love from the conference that is paying your bills.

 

[drboobay]

As long as you agree to be the quirky guy at the end of the cul de sac with the European appliances and two grills in the backyard who always volunteers for everything.

What is "volunteers"?

 

[TU4ever2]

Thanks for providing the raw data that confirms my previous statements regarding what our peer institutions pay, as well as regional schools you consider lesser institutions such as Rice and North Texas.

Now, you stated that you believe that Tulsa is a program where you can win and move on to a bigger program. Ten years is quite a long time in this business. Twenty if we are talking basketball. I’m not sure the coaching world shares your view. Especially when they hear about cutting salaries and refusing to except booster donations/delaying construction.

Please go back on that list and tell us specifically, who on that list, that has a winning record, that has documented success recruiting Oklahoma and Texas, with a commitment to a passing attack, would want to come to Tulsa to make $960,000 and be the last in the conference in terms of pay by $500,000 and stand alongside coaches making $5 million. I don’t think Frank Solich is going to make Tulsa football great again.

Would that person be happy or do you think they would be shopping immediately and leave us with a couple of recruiting classes the next guy might not be able to use? Who would take such a job, especially if other opportunities are open? Why would that person, a “hot and upcoming coach” take such an offer with better ones on the table now or next year? You may only get one opportunity. You take the one that sets you up for life. Don’t ask me, ask Monty.

You cite to coaches winning the NY6 and cashing in. Since you like to research, what was Frost, Fickell, Houston, etc making the year they went to those bowls out of the American? It wasn’t $960,000

As for facilities, we are finally getting out from under austerity but 12 years without a significant targeted renovation is an eternity especially without an IPF or other expansion. We like to think of our school as a stepping stone, it’s an attractive and romantic notion, but nobody has “stepped” since our stadium and arena was brand new/reconstructed. That’s not a coincidence.

Also, please concisely explain to Mr. Aresco why you think it’s a good idea for one of the conference’s most successful programs to undercut his P6 efforts by paying CUSA money to coaches.

We need to be shrewd about the next hire. Not look for the lowest bidder looking to use us to get to a pay day.

I read to the part where you moved the goal posts, so about two sentences in.

As I pointed out we can pay an up and coming coach 3/4s of what we pay Monty to which your reply was only if you want sunbelt. 3/4 of what Monty makes is 1.2m which is a 500k raise for every coach from 90-119. The sunbelt only has 10 teams.

Then you included something about up and coming coaches with connections to Texas and Oklahoma recruiting. That's not a necessity here, it's a hindrance for our current coach looking for a new job. I have noticed that the best up a d comes are good recruiters where ever you put them. Or do you believe an option QB from Nebraska has the inside track in recruiting pass first kids from Hawaii? Just for example.

You seem confused and still thinking like it's a decade ago. News flash Florida St had their head coach hired away, then hired away Oregon's. Any coach who is really good is leaving Tulsa in four to five years, because of the same issues we have in retaining basketball coaches are magnified in a p5/g5 world of football.

Lastly here a few coaches on that list we could pay 1.2m a year to and have 3 or 4 win seasons. . . All of them.

Now who could we hire that would win here?

Well there is the guy at Hawaii who did it before. There is the guy at Coastal who would know he could get a NY6 for winning the AAC. The guy down at Louisiana probably wouldn't mind a pay raise, it'd be on 200k ish for him but those are mostly Sunbelt guys and clearly those are below your standards.

Guy at UTSA isn't doing too bad, was a Big 12 recruiter of the year, stops at Texas, SMU, and Arkansas. Probably needs a another couple years, but not awful.

Skip Holtz down at La Tech has got that program turned around again although they struggled this year.

The guy at SJSU is good, he has ties to the bay area, but he's young, he knows how to build, he runs a nice offense and is already use to roughing it for recruits.

But go on moving the goal posts......

 

[TU4ever2]

You pay an up and comer 2/3 of what Monty makes, and he’s gone in four years if he’s good and we start over.

it is the ONLY recipe that has ever worked at TU in fball or Bball

Well if you are smart you, incentives the contract, that usually helps to keep them a bit longer. You add in a healthy buy out that drops as the years accumulate to soften the blow and help pay for the next guy or cushion a mistake.

You then climb the ladder of who wants the job. Most coaches last less than two recruiting classes, 8 years, so the turnover is going to occur.

Temple had a lot of success following this model till Diaz was there shortly after breakfast and back in Miami before lunch. We have had some success with this, clearly in basketball, but we followed the same pattern going Kragthorpe to Graham, both of whom we expected to be gone before year six.

 

[HuffyCane]

I read to the part where you moved the goal posts, so about two sentences in.

As I pointed out we can pay an up and coming coach 3/4s of what we pay Monty to which your reply was only if you want sunbelt. 3/4 of what Monty makes is 1.2m which is a 500k raise for every coach from 90-119. The sunbelt only has 10 teams.

Then you included something about up and coming coaches with connections to Texas and Oklahoma recruiting. That's not a necessity here, it's a hindrance for our current coach looking for a new job. I have noticed that the best up a d comes are good recruiters where ever you put them. Or do you believe an option QB from Nebraska has the inside track in recruiting pass first kids from Hawaii? Just for example.

You seem confused and still thinking like it's a decade ago. News flash Florida St had their head coach hired away, then hired away Oregon's. Any coach who is really good is leaving Tulsa in four to five years, because of the same issues we have in retaining basketball coaches are magnified in a p5/g5 world of football.

Lastly here a few coaches on that list we could pay 1.2m a year to and have 3 or 4 win seasons. . . All of them.

Now who could we hire that would win here?

Well there is the guy at Hawaii who did it before. There is the guy at Coastal who would know he could get a NY6 for winning the AAC. The guy down at Louisiana probably wouldn't mind a pay raise, it'd be on 200k ish for him but those are mostly Sunbelt guys and clearly those are below your standards.

Guy at UTSA isn't doing too bad, was a Big 12 recruiter of the year, stops at Texas, SMU, and Arkansas. Probably needs a another couple years, but not awful.

Skip Holtz down at La Tech has got that program turned around again although they struggled this year.

The guy at SJSU is good, he has ties to the bay area, but he's young, he knows how to build, he runs a nice offense and is already use to roughing it for recruits.

But go on moving the goal posts......

Those are certainly intriguing thoughts if you want to hire someone like Holtz who only graduates 45% of his black players and 60% overall, and that’s after you include transfers who graduate elsewhere, JUCOs in, and those that finish after their eligibility expires. You’ll be cleaning out your desk at Tulsa pretty quick if you hire someone like that.

Napier just turned down interest from Auburn. You think he’s coming Tulsa?

Ill move the goalposts more. Please state concisely why you believe that there are plenty of coaches who want to be in the AAC, but you do not believe that there aren’t a corresponding number of Universities who covet a spot in the AAC as well. Half of our conference already believes there’s somewhere between a half dozen and twenty schools that would sign their P6 construction spending pledge we refuse to sign (as does Navy). What’s to stop the conference from taking them up on the offer in a couple of years if we are low balling coaches, pocketing the money and not investing it in the program, taking on debt that is realistic to expand, as well as not growing fundraising?

Also, please state concisely what you would tell a recruit when his father asks you why he should trust you to give his son his best shot, if you make a half million less than the North Texas coach.

BTW, still waiting for you to admit that nobody has actually made it to the NY6 out of the AAC who took the job at a cut rate pay grade to have a shot at the big time.

 

[TU_BLA]

We can pick the hottest up and coming g5 coach for 3/4ths of that and roll the dice. A million a year is what most top end non-power/AAC coaches make. Hell they might even give us a break on a buy out hoping to catapult to the p5 in three or four years, which means if they crash and burn we can eject.

Again the job is advantageous, even if it could be better than what it is.

Or we can go and snag Rhett Lashlee. Have no idea why he isn’t a HC yet.

in my opinion, we win both of our losses if our O is better. I think we have a bottom of the league offensive coach and a top of the league defensive coach.

Our O is better if we play the best players from the get go, primarily at QB. Honestly, Monty never calls plays with the pace he called them for Brin. We are always more efficient on offense the faster we go. Brin’s accuracy makes it even more so. Monty also called plays we haven’t seen before when Brin was in. To me that show Monty has more confidence in Brin being in full control of the offensive scheme than he does with his other QBs.

 

[HuffyCane]

Or we can go and snag Rhett Lashlee. Have no idea why he isn’t a HC yet.


Our O is better if we play the best players from the get go, primarily at QB. Honestly, Monty never calls plays with the pace he called them for Brin. We are always more efficient on offense the faster we go. Brin’s accuracy makes it even more so. Monty also called plays we haven’t seen before when Brin was in. To me that show Monty has more confidence in Brin being in full control of the offensive scheme than he does with his other QBs.

I’ll let you unpack the psychology of a man named Rhett who named his daughter Scarlet.

He has a history of taking jobs for less money than he could otherwise earn. He will throw the ball and can recruit the area. But bringing back that offense sounds like OU fans in 1999 saying they need to bring back the wishbone and recruit better to be successful.

The biggest pull with him is that we will have an opening about the time Miami tires of him and he’s got four kids. Tulsa looks a lot better to raise Christian kids than Coconut Grove.

 

[I.I.]

It's just nice to have an AD that understands all these angles that have been mentioned above. I think we are in good hands with his decisions.

 

[TulsaGrad07]

Those are certainly intriguing thoughts if you want to hire someone like Holtz who only graduates 45% of his black players and 60% overall, and that’s after you include transfers who graduate elsewhere, JUCOs in, and those that finish after their eligibility expires. You’ll be cleaning out your desk at Tulsa pretty quick if you hire someone like that.

Napier just turned down interest from Auburn. You think he’s coming Tulsa?

Ill move the goalposts more. Please state concisely why you believe that there are plenty of coaches who want to be in the AAC, but you do not believe that there aren’t a corresponding number of Universities who covet a spot in the AAC as well. Half of our conference already believes there’s somewhere between a half dozen and twenty schools that would sign their P6 construction spending pledge we refuse to sign (as does Navy). What’s to stop the conference from taking them up on the offer in a couple of years if we are low balling coaches, pocketing the money and not investing it in the program, taking on debt that is realistic to expand, as well as not growing fundraising?

Also, please state concisely what you would tell a recruit when his father asks you why he should trust you to give his son his best shot, if you make a half million less than the North Texas coach.

BTW, still waiting for you to admit that nobody has actually made it to the NY6 out of the AAC who took the job at a cut rate pay grade to have a shot at the big time.

Just curious Huffy, what % of TU football players get their degree and walk at commencement?
One of my pitch points to stranger is that Tulsa has STUDENT athletes and not athletes pretending to be students. Am I correct in my assumption?

 

[HuffyCane]

Just curious Huffy, what % of TU football players get their degree and walk at commencement?
One of my pitch points to stranger is that Tulsa has STUDENT athletes and not athletes pretending to be students. Am I correct in my assumption?

We aren’t close to Wisconsin or Notre Dame. They are the gold standard. They don’t take kids who can’t graduate and they make sure the ones they do take graduate. Almost a 100% record. If I had a son who could play football and the Ivy League was off the table, I would look into Wisconsin and Northwestern. They actually graduate their black football players at rates higher than whites. So does BYU.

If you take the last five academic years, and you factor in people that reported they graduated at another school after leaving TU and those that return and graduate outside the six year window, then the number is slightly more than 75% overall for TU. It’s a 77/73 split White/Black. Cincy, UCF, Tulane, Temple are in the 80s — for a variety of reasons. So don’t throw stones. OU snd OSU are both in the low 60s and high 50’s for black players. FWIW. Not as bad as LaTech where blacks trail whites by 40 points, but still very concerning. TU graduates 85% of its student athletes, so that 10% difference in football is right on the line of concerning.

Like our conference mates we don’t take partial qualifiers. We don’t typically waive entrance requirements, but the President can grant a limited number of exceptions and often does. BLA can tell us more about how that used to be handled, but not sure what he knows then applies now for a variety of reasons. A few of the waivers have gone on to be Dean‘s List students in solid majors. We also do not waive the general curriculum and some schools do. From that standpoint, they are truly student athletes and not just dudes enrolled in fifteen hours of online courses who are unpaid professional athletes like a few other schools.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

We aren’t close to Wisconsin or Notre Dame. They are the gold standard. They don’t take kids who can’t graduate and they make sure the ones they do take graduate. Almost a 100% record. If I had a son who could play football and the Ivy League was off the table, I would look into Wisconsin and Northwestern. They actually graduate their black football players at rates higher than whites. So does BYU.

If you take the last five academic years, and you factor in people that reported they graduated at another school after leaving TU and those that return and graduate outside the six year window, then the number is slightly more than 75% overall for TU. It’s a 77/73 split White/Black. Cincy, UCF, Tulane, Temple are in the 80s — for a variety of reasons. So don’t throw stones. OU snd OSU are both in the low 60s and high 50’s for black players. FWIW. Not as bad as LaTech where blacks trail whites by 40 points, but still very concerning. TU graduates 85% of its student athletes, so that 10% difference in football is right on the line of concerning.

Like our conference mates we don’t take partial qualifiers. We don’t typically waive entrance requirements, but the President can grant a limited number of exceptions and often does. BLA can tell us more about how that used to be handled, but not sure what he knows then applies now for a variety of reasons. A few of the waivers have gone on to be Dean‘s List students in solid majors. We also do not waive the general curriculum and some schools do. From that standpoint, they are truly student athletes and not just dudes enrolled in fifteen hours of online courses who are unpaid professional athletes like a few other schools.

Little easier to graduate from UCF than TU. Tulane and Temple not easier. Have to take that into consideration when looking at %'s.

 

[HuffyCane]

Little easier to graduate from UCF than TU. Tulane and Temple not easier. Have to take that into consideration when looking at %'s.

UCF being basically a remedial high school program if you are getting a general university studies degree like most football players at UCF was one of the “variety of reasons” cited above. Lol. Tulane spends a lot on academic support is another.