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Auburn fan here. What was the major reason Montgomery got fired.

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I know he lost games and that was the main reason but why did he lose games? Was it Talent Acquisition? Poor Xs and Os on the O side? Couldnt get a DC hire right? Off the field issues etc.

With us about to start Year 1 with him as our playcaller I was interested to see your takes since you watched him for a few years.
 
I know he lost games and that was the main reason but why did he lose games? Was it Talent Acquisition? Poor Xs and Os on the O side? Couldnt get a DC hire right? Off the field issues etc.

With us about to start Year 1 with him as our playcaller I was interested to see your takes since you watched him for a few years.
Poor discipline. Poor clock management. Lack of offensive imagination. Wasted talented players.

Defense was fine. No issues really except some discipline things.
 
I know he lost games and that was the main reason but why did he lose games? Was it Talent Acquisition? Poor Xs and Os on the O side? Couldnt get a DC hire right? Off the field issues etc.

With us about to start Year 1 with him as our playcaller I was interested to see your takes since you watched him for a few years.
A lot of problems with Monty was his in game management, he was too busy trying to be the offensive coordinator that he never was aware of the clock . We had a lot of delay of games , he also had a culture here that was very undisciplined and we led the country at one point with the most penalties. He may do alright as just an offensive coordinator, but he was a very below average coach.
Also , he didn’t like playing younger players at qb and was very hard headed about not benching qbs that were not cutting it when we had a better qb2. Examples were playing Zac Smith over Davis Brin and Chad President over Luke Skipper
 
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I know he lost games and that was the main reason but why did he lose games? Was it Talent Acquisition? Poor Xs and Os on the O side? Couldnt get a DC hire right? Off the field issues etc.

With us about to start Year 1 with him as our playcaller I was interested to see your takes since you watched him for a few years.
Btw , I hope y’all beat the crap out of ou every year !
 
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I realize he was hired as your OC, but -

  1. The defense under Monty was the best unit on the field and over the years our DC managed to recruit and develop some players that wound up in the NFL. There were also a couple of offensive linemen that also made it to the NFL.
  2. The offense was what Monty learned from Art Briles at Baylor. Unfortunately without his mentor at Tulsa his offense tended to be dull and predictable. Running the ball for a yard or a loss repeatedly on first down was unimaginative and made the other downs that series more challenging than needed. Drinking game - predict the first down play call and drink a shot when correct. You’ll be relaxed in no time.
  3. Special teams under Monty was one of the most maddening parts of his time here, because as other have said, discipline was often a problem that resulted in disastrous returns on punts or kickoffs or unnecessary penalties committed by players that should have known better.
Having only the offense to deal with might be a better fit for Monty, if he can be more creative without his mentor.
 
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We heard it said, our offense was the easiest on the schedule for our opponents to prepare for. TU 1978 summed it up perfectly. 14% of our plays went for negative yards last year. Predictable is the word you will see over and over.

Monty has a good eye for spotting and developing overlooked talent.

Please come back here after a season and tell us what you think of his offense. My bet is you will hate it.
 
Didn’t have the chops to be the top dawg. Better suited for a coordinator. As are many coaches.
That about nails it.

I’m surprised it’s taken this long to see a thread like this. I’m sure we will see more. Maybe not as many as Louisville during the Kragthorpe era but whatever.

So first of all, welcome. Glad you thought enough of our program to stop by. We’ve had a lot of coaches move on and do great things, so we see a lot of these threads.

He wasn’t fired just for losing. He was fired because he was losing, ticket revenue declined every year, and his players struggled in the classroom. We have kept plenty of losing coaches. We don’t tolerate ones that don’t emphasize academics and have the gravitas to force players to perform in the classroom.

It definitely wasn’t that he couldn’t get a good DC. For most of his tenure, he had the legendary Bill Young and the guy that was responsible for TCU making the playoff. And hired them for less than you pay position coaches.

The offense is incredibly simple. There’s no playbook it’s so small. I’m not exaggerating. There’s like 12 plays total. I’m not kidding. One of those plays has 3 WR on the field but the only read is the TE. You guys have already seen these plays because Kendal Briles has made a fortune grafting those plays into other playbooks around the SEC.

The offense emphasizes a power running game. It didn’t fit our conference or identity as a school that emphasizes cutting edge passing attacks going back more than 100 years. The offense struggles to recover from 3 TD deficits or more. It will remind you of the wishbone in that way but also because it borrows heavily from the 1960’s Houston offense that used veer and option concepts and continues to use the same terminology to this day.

Montgomery clearly had favorite players and only played experienced players. His son played all four years at WR despite an undistinguished high school career ant a tiny school and clearly better talent on the bench.

His teams were a shambles in the class room and undisciplined on the field. Fights during or after games became not just routine but expected and gathered significant national media attention. Portions of your fan base will likely approve of the urge to punch Mississippi State players, but our program has a self image as a throwback school where academics, sportsmanship and Christian values are front and center. Our aging donor base demands nothing less. Seeing our entire bench clear in a bizarre minutes long melee after a meaningless bowl game shocked a lot of people. And it happened several times. We spent a large part of our limited budget on FBS football so we can project a positive image of the school and town. His repeated failure to control his teams and instill in them the consequences for putting the school and city in a negative light was maddening. For about a year, if you typed Tulsa into Google or YouTube the first auto suggestion that popped up added “Mississippi State fight”. That didn’t go over well with our monied gentry.

People had real problems with his delay of game penalties, refusal to give up play calling, and poor clock management. I had a problem with these issues never seeming to improve. He was not charismatic on camera and did little to change the way he presented himself to the media. It held our program back. Oklahomans want to see Barry Switzer and Mike Gundy on TV. I’m short, he demanded his players improve the skills they could develop but he didn’t do that himself. He don’t come close to projecting to the public that he was trying to get better. At times, towards the end, his public facing attitude and body language projected that he thought the school was holding him back.

He bills himself as some kind of expert with QB’s but every QB he recruited to TU was a bust or a transfer from Baylor left out after a coaching change. The best QB he recruited to TU out of high school took three years to develop and left the program.

We were shocked when you hired him. Most people thought he’d end up in the Texas high school ranks, maybe as an assistant. How he got what some people would consider a promotion moving to Auburn defies explanation.

 
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He bills himself as some kind of expert with QB’s but every QB he recruited to TU was a bust or a transfer from Baylor left out after a coaching change. The best QB he recruited to TU out of high school took three years to develop and left the program.

I agree with most of what you say. But his latter day QB recruiting appears to be better than how he started out. Brin, Braxton, & Williams appear to be a major improvement over the others.
 
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Won’t even offer my two cents. Thankful my son now is a scholarship player at a different G5 university. He loved his time at TU. He gained lifelong friends and of course the tape he needed to move on. I will always be a TU fan.
 
Won’t even offer my two cents. Thankful my son now is a scholarship player at a different G5 university. He loved his time at TU. He gained lifelong friends and of course the tape he needed to move on. I will always be a TU fan.
I don't remember if you ever said, but where did he transfer to?
 
When he left TU he landed at Southeastern La in the Southland Conference…. They did beat The Word last year. In fact SLU and The Word were co conference champs even though SLU beat them head on. He was hurt most of last season but did end up All Conference. After three years at SLU and graduating with honors with a degree in Supple Chain Management he needed to be closer to home and got in the portal with two years of eligibility left( Redshirt and COVID years) He received a ton of offers and even a few P5. He ended up committing to Central Michigan. He connected with the coaches, loved the town of Mt Pleasant , and it’s less than 6 hours from home. A car ride not two planes just to get home! We are actually driving there this weekend to attend their first scrimmage. This is a first for us as he had been 14-16 hours away since leaving high school. We rarely were able to attend his games. He has worked hard starting as a walk on that made the travel squad to a nationally ranked FCS school and now at CMU. Sorry for the long post but it’s been a long road. His first college game he was a bench warmer at Michigan State now he will return to Spartan Stadium and actually play!! Hard work and discipline pays off. Thanks for asking and for still welcoming me here ! I do enjoy all of you on this board.
 
When he left TU he landed at Southeastern La in the Southland Conference…. They did beat The Word last year. In fact SLU and The Word were co conference champs even though SLU beat them head on. He was hurt most of last season but did end up All Conference. After three years at SLU and graduating with honors with a degree in Supple Chain Management he needed to be closer to home and got in the portal with two years of eligibility left( Redshirt and COVID years) He received a ton of offers and even a few P5. He ended up committing to Central Michigan. He connected with the coaches, loved the town of Mt Pleasant , and it’s less than 6 hours from home. A car ride not two planes just to get home! We are actually driving there this weekend to attend their first scrimmage. This is a first for us as he had been 14-16 hours away since leaving high school. We rarely were able to attend his games. He has worked hard starting as a walk on that made the travel squad to a nationally ranked FCS school and now at CMU. Sorry for the long post but it’s been a long road. His first college game he was a bench warmer at Michigan State now he will return to Spartan Stadium and actually play!! Hard work and discipline pays off. Thanks for asking and for still welcoming me here ! I do enjoy all of you on this board.
You are always welcome here. We would love to have you as a TU fan for life!
 
Disorganized, undisciplined, and conservative to a fault.

The drive that sums him up for me was 2Q Texas 2018. Down 21-0, we had already missed 2 FGs, and faced a 4th & 6 at their 19. He trots the kicker out there once again, and… wide left. Not even close.

But wait… there’s a flag for running into the kicker. The defense has bailed him out. It’s now 4th & 1 at the 14, you’re a massive underdog who already trails, and your kicker has the yips. It’s the easiest “go-for-it” in the history of football. Monty agonizes over the decision, but ultimately sends his offense out at the last minute. It’s chaos. Half the offense doesn’t know the play call. They’re so sporadic, the defense also gets confused. UT calls a timeout. Bailed out again.

Finally, it’s go time. Everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to Corey Taylor, but there’s a chance it could work. He only needs a yard. They all do their dumb look to the sideline routine, get set, and… whistle. False start. We’re back to 4th & 6.

Monty sends out the backup kicker. He’s mostly a kickoff specialist, never attempted a FG in his career. Dude lines it up, hold is clean, and… shank. I’ve never a seen a football spin quite like that. A gyroscopic prolate spheroid. It landed somewhere near Aaron Franklin’s original bbq cart.

We lost that game 28-21. Zaven Collins coming out party in the 2nd half demoralized the Texas offense. Eyes of Texas was barely a whisper by the end. But of course the patented Monty clock management guaranteed that we only got 5 possessions in the 2nd half when we needed 6.

Get enough talent and these mistakes at the margin won’t matter in most games. Just don’t expect cutting edge football analytics. The portion of your fanbase that instinctively yells “take the points!” will love him though.
 
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The drive that sums him up for me was 2Q Texas 2018. Down 21-0, we had already missed 2 FGs, and faced a 4th & 6 at their 19. He trots the kicker out there once again, and… wide left. Not even close.

But wait… there’s a flag for running into the kicker. The defense has bailed him out. It’s now 4th & 1 at the 14, you’re a massive underdog who already trails, and your kicker has the yips. It’s the easiest “go-for-it” in the history of football. Monty agonizes over the decision, but ultimately sends his offense out at the last minute. It’s chaos. Half the offense doesn’t know the play call. They’re so sporadic, the defense also gets confused. UT calls a timeout. Bailed out again.

Finally, it’s go time. Everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to Corey Taylor, but there’s a chance it could work. He only needs a yard. They all do their dumb look to the sideline routine, get set, and… whistle. False start. We’re back to 4th & 6.

Monty sends out the backup kicker. He’s mostly a kickoff specialist, never attempted a FG in his career. Dude lines it up, hold is clean, and… shank. I’ve never a seen a football spin quite like that. A gyroscopic prolate spheroid. It landed somewhere near Aaron Franklin’s original bbq cart.

We lost that game 28-21. Zaven Collins coming out party in the 2nd half demoralized the Texas offense. Eyes of Texas was barely a whisper by the end. But of course the patented Monty clock management guaranteed that we only got 5 possessions in the 2nd half when we needed 6.

Get enough talent and these mistakes at the margin won’t matter in most games. Just don’t expect cutting edge football analytics. The portion of your fanbase that instinctively yells “take the points!” will love him though.
The biggest problem is this was a consistent issue for 7 years. If Freeze gives Monty full play calling responsibilities, you will probably notice a lot of runs up the middle, zone blocking up front so teams will be able to show a stacked box look or even a cover 2 and then change last second and stuff the run up the middle because "that's what the defense showed us." I suspect with Monty calling plays you're going to see some of the same indecision on personnel and play calls.

Of course Monty never had confidence in the players he brought to Tulsa so maybe he'll think it will be different at Auburn getting kids who can run Herman Boone's offense from Remember the Titans, "It's like novocaine, give it time, it always works". He touts it as fast paced and we want to snap the ball every 20 seconds but that never seemed to happen here. And you'll get frustrated when he decides on a play late in the clock and he trots out a sub or two and the defense then slow plays their subs necessitating a time out or a delay of game penalty. And just wait until the first time you come out of a timeout situation and have to call a timeout because the play call isn't ready...just wait.

Good luck
 
1. Lack of program discipline every year.
2. Egoistic approach to recruiting that failed consistently to bring in key recruits.
3. Lack of offensive success year after year, even though he was the primary scheme designer and play caller.
 
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1. Lack of program discipline every year.
2. Egoistic approach to recruiting that failed consistently to bring in key recruits.
3. Lack of offensive success year after year, even though he was the primary scheme designer and play caller.
Do we think Freeze brought him in for the TX HS connection and recruiting?
 
The biggest problem is this was a consistent issue for 7 years. If Freeze gives Monty full play calling responsibilities, you will probably notice a lot of runs up the middle, zone blocking up front so teams will be able to show a stacked box look or even a cover 2 and then change last second and stuff the run up the middle because "that's what the defense showed us." I suspect with Monty calling plays you're going to see some of the same indecision on personnel and play calls.

Of course Monty never had confidence in the players he brought to Tulsa so maybe he'll think it will be different at Auburn getting kids who can run Herman Boone's offense from Remember the Titans, "It's like novocaine, give it time, it always works". He touts it as fast paced and we want to snap the ball every 20 seconds but that never seemed to happen here. And you'll get frustrated when he decides on a play late in the clock and he trots out a sub or two and the defense then slow plays their subs necessitating a time out or a delay of game penalty. And just wait until the first time you come out of a timeout situation and have to call a timeout because the play call isn't ready...just wait.

Good luck
That was so brutal. But the worst one I can ever remember and I forget the year, was when we choked against USF at home when they were ranked and coached by Charlie Strong.

We had a 14 point lead in the 4th and were pretty much dominating the game, then all of a sudden he went into a pathetic shell and choked the game away FAST. I was disgusted.

That and the SMU game where we had a 30-9 lead in the 4th were despicable.
 
The thing I found most frustrating about Coach Montgomery was that for a football coach, he didn’t seem to really understand football.

As Kenny Rogers once said, “You gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em”. Monty never seemed to really grasp that concept.

There are situations where you need more points even when you are ahead, and times when you’ve got enough and just need to run some clock. We generally just did the opposite.
 
Disorganized, undisciplined, and conservative to a fault.

The drive that sums him up for me was 2Q Texas 2018. Down 21-0, we had already missed 2 FGs, and faced a 4th & 6 at their 19. He trots the kicker out there once again, and… wide left. Not even close.

But wait… there’s a flag for running into the kicker. The defense has bailed him out. It’s now 4th & 1 at the 14, you’re a massive underdog who already trails, and your kicker has the yips. It’s the easiest “go-for-it” in the history of football. Monty agonizes over the decision, but ultimately sends his offense out at the last minute. It’s chaos. Half the offense doesn’t know the play call. They’re so sporadic, the defense also gets confused. UT calls a timeout. Bailed out again.

Finally, it’s go time. Everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to Corey Taylor, but there’s a chance it could work. He only needs a yard. They all do their dumb look to the sideline routine, get set, and… whistle. False start. We’re back to 4th & 6.

Monty sends out the backup kicker. He’s mostly a kickoff specialist, never attempted a FG in his career. Dude lines it up, hold is clean, and… shank. I’ve never a seen a football spin quite like that. A gyroscopic prolate spheroid. It landed somewhere near Aaron Franklin’s original bbq cart.

We lost that game 28-21. Zaven Collins coming out party in the 2nd half demoralized the Texas offense. Eyes of Texas was barely a whisper by the end. But of course the patented Monty clock management guaranteed that we only got 5 possessions in the 2nd half when we needed 6.

Get enough talent and these mistakes at the margin won’t matter in most games. Just don’t expect cutting edge football analytics. The portion of your fanbase that instinctively yells “take the points!” will love him though.
In retrospect, this is genuinely hilarious. I was laughing so hard reading this. Sometimes real life is funnier than make believe, with the right story teller.
 
Disorganized, undisciplined, and conservative to a fault.

The drive that sums him up for me was 2Q Texas 2018. Down 21-0, we had already missed 2 FGs, and faced a 4th & 6 at their 19. He trots the kicker out there once again, and… wide left. Not even close.

But wait… there’s a flag for running into the kicker. The defense has bailed him out. It’s now 4th & 1 at the 14, you’re a massive underdog who already trails, and your kicker has the yips. It’s the easiest “go-for-it” in the history of football. Monty agonizes over the decision, but ultimately sends his offense out at the last minute. It’s chaos. Half the offense doesn’t know the play call. They’re so sporadic, the defense also gets confused. UT calls a timeout. Bailed out again.

Finally, it’s go time. Everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to Corey Taylor, but there’s a chance it could work. He only needs a yard. They all do their dumb look to the sideline routine, get set, and… whistle. False start. We’re back to 4th & 6.

Monty sends out the backup kicker. He’s mostly a kickoff specialist, never attempted a FG in his career. Dude lines it up, hold is clean, and… shank. I’ve never a seen a football spin quite like that. A gyroscopic prolate spheroid. It landed somewhere near Aaron Franklin’s original bbq cart.

We lost that game 28-21. Zaven Collins coming out party in the 2nd half demoralized the Texas offense. Eyes of Texas was barely a whisper by the end. But of course the patented Monty clock management guaranteed that we only got 5 possessions in the 2nd half when we needed 6.

Get enough talent and these mistakes at the margin won’t matter in most games. Just don’t expect cutting edge football analytics. The portion of your fanbase that instinctively yells “take the points!” will love him though.
I was at that game. I'm not too happy with you reminding me of that fact. I spent a lot of money on booze that night to help forget.

#1 issue was discipline - a result of not being a leader.

The guy just doesn't have it. Don't know how else to say it.
 
I was at that game. I'm not too happy with you reminding me of that fact. I spent a lot of money on booze that night to help forget.

#1 issue was discipline - a result of not being a leader.

The guy just doesn't have it. Don't know how else to say it.
It was #1 for me too. After a couple years at the bottom of the "total yards penalized" barrel out of 103 or so teams, Monty had to go. I too, wondered how many games extra we could have won with about half the penalties that we actually took.
 
But to be fair, and in Monty's defense, of the bad coaches who we kept around for too long, Monty's not the worst. I'd much rather have him than Blankenship or, switching up, Wojick.
 
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