I hadn't really payed much attention to it until I just watched the video that was released. After reading the apparent reports that these men saw him running down the street and (mis)identified him as a suspected criminal then jumped in their truck and drove after him would make this a pretty open and shut case. You can't just take the law into your own hands like that, even if you suspect someone to have committed a crime.
Apparently in Georgia you can take the law into your own hands. The DA who recused himself wrote a note about why he didn't think charges were warranted and included something to the effect of 'They informed the deceased that they were trying to make a citizens arrest' and then he goes on to say, this is allowed under Georgia law. I believe he also mentioned Georgia's stand your ground law and mentions that it appeared Arbery attacked the younger person when he passed the truck. Um, the dude had a shotgun put into his face...of course he is going to get aggressive in defending himself. Apparently stand your ground laws only apply to white people who get afraid when a POC comes into their neighborhood.
I'm on the side of right here which means I am like 95% of the population that see this as another heinous act of racism, pure and simple. He was killed because he was black. Remember, it's Georgia where the Klan still exists and is open about it and in the part of Georgia where they are at for them to find both an unbiased jury and a non-majority white jury will be nearly impossible. This will turn into the OJ case circus and the hooded defense attorney will argue the second Arbery took a swing, the stand your ground law applies. I'm hopeful there is an impartial jury who can see the truth...but with social media there's virtually no chance of ever seating a 100% impartial jury in this. Half the country has seen the video now and formed an opinion one way or the other.
Bubba in the truck bed was ready and willing to take him down if that happened. That's exactly why he was in the truck bed and not on the ground with little Bubba. Tell me that set-up doesn't reek of people going hunting
I understand that and I think the stand your ground laws are ridiculous. It essentially has been interpreted to give the right of anyone in those states to shoot another person if they simply are afraid. They're ridiculous in their scope...and any good defense attorney can get you off because there is no way to disprove that you feared for your life in any situation whether or not anyone else finds that reasonable.
There was a third party who was associated with the father and son who was chasing the guy as well... he just showed up late. The guy had a dash cam.
I have a basic understanding of what the SYG laws say...problem is you end up with juries that are sympathetic and then all the defense attorney has to do is "prove" you had a reasonable right to fear someone/something to justify you shooting them. How in the world does George Zimmerman get acquitted? It's insane to think he had any reasonable reason to fear Trayvon Martin.
After that, the video was in the custody of a defense attorney that the men had been consulting with. He released it because he though it made them look better. For their sakes, they made a wise choice not to go with that attorney because he is clearly an idiot. The case was dying and no arrest had been made until that video was released and reignited the firestorm.
Well, the owner of the house that was under construction that this guy stopped at (for all of two minutes) has publicly stated that nothing was stolen. And although the shooters claim he was a suspect behind a string of recent burglaries in the area, there had been only one reported burglary in the area in the last three months at the time of the incident. I can't remember where I found that info, but I can probably dig up the source for you if you want.
I agree. I will note that in this case, the family has said that they want it to be public and for people to watch it.
Yeah, that thinking smacks of the Ray Rice video (no pun intended). The Ravens and NFL did their thing, suspended him for a couple of games. Everyone knew exactly what he did. He didn't deny it at all, the girlfriend/now wife wasn't pressing charges. It should have ended there. Then the video gets released, Goodell and the Ravens look like they're soft on domestic violence, Rice then has his suspension lengthened to a year and the Ravens release him and he's been blacklisted ever since. Everyone who had paid any attention to that situation at all knew exactly what was going to be shown on that tape. EVERY. LAST. PERSON. The NFL, Ray Rice, his girlfriend all described the incident accurately. Yet, when it comes out on video half the world is shocked at such behavior. I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong but he got punished a 2nd time and more harshly because we've become numb to seeing newsprint that says "Rice suspended 2 games for domestic abuse"...but when we see him take a swing and knock her out in the elevator, all of a sudden it becomes worse? We all knew exactly what was going to be on the video of the Joe Mixon thing too. Nothing in any investigation said otherwise. But people flip out when they see it. (Had that video emerged during the year he sat out he would have never stepped on the field for OU).
You know nothing. This idiot took off running because he got caught either casing or stealing from a house that is under renovation. Why do I get to call him an idiot? Because he broke one of the few universal rules which is DO NOT ATTACK SOMEONE HOLDING A RIFLE (shotgun) WITH PUNCHES & TRY TO TAKE THEIR FIREARM! That alone is attempted felony murder (idk if that’s a thing but it should be.) If anyone ever tries to take my firearm, MY RIFLE, while I am legally holding it, at that point it’s on & the only way it ends is one of us is dead.
Hahahahaha HOW IN TF IS AHMAUD ARBERY THE VICTIM?! He INVADED an unoccupied dwelling, he took off running, he used the truck as a buffer to plan his quick attack on the man with the rifle.
Hahahahaha HOW IN TF IS AHMAUD ARBERY THE VICTIM?! He INVADED an unoccupied dwelling, he took off running, he used the truck as a buffer to plan his quick attack on the man with the rifle.
WE DO NOT KNOW THAT! THE OWNER WASN’T THERE! YOU CAN SEE MAUD DISCARDING ITEMS IN THE VIDEO!! WHY WOULD HE BE DROPPING ITEMS WHILE RUNNING FROM THE SCENE?! THIS IS SO CUT & DRY SELD-DEFENSE THAT IT IS DISGUSTING TO SEE YOU ALL DEFEND THIS SERIAL BURGLAR WHO BROKE THE UNIVERSAL RULE OF DO NOT ATTACK A MAN CARRYING A RIFLE!
Pretty much, with an interesting # of repulsively false caveats included, seeing as how his posts are so short.
That’s not what happened. The video shows him approaching their truck while discarding items. One of them appears to be a pistol, which would make sense considering on the 911 call made by the micks in the truck you can hear the father yelling “drop it” before Arbery decides to attack the son. Whether he had a pistol or not, this is justifiable homicide. The two previous counties’ DAs who investigated arrived at the same conclusion for a reason. It wasn’t until some libtard sjw on the inside decided to leak the video to a local radio host that they were even being considered as being suspects of any crime.
I'm not defending Ray Rice as much as I'm condemning the court of public opinion that only goes into an outrage when they see a video when they knew all the facts beforehand. Tell me that if video of Joe Mixon's incident at OU had gone public a day or a week after it happened, he would have faced the same punishment and outrage? Had that happened he never would have set foot on a football field wearing an OU uniform.
Sounds like he rolled early in exchange for a cap on sentencing of a lesser included, probably conspiracy to commit first degree murder. The guys are clearly racists. Whether the dude actually said that we will never know. But it is a good way to make sure you get twenty years shaved off your sentence and don’t fry, isn’t it? Nothing a death penalty co-defendant says another co-defendant said is ever true.
In America we have principal liability. If you help someone, you get punished as if you did it, unless it’s the death penalty in some cases. So the sentencing guidelines won’t give him the 3-5 to you are suggesting. He will get more. He will do the 14 year minimum at least if it’s Florida. Jurors won’t know what he could get but they see what he’s charged with and it won’t match the evidence. That pisses off jurors. So the prosecutors look for reasons to avoid that. That’s one of the reasons I think there’s already a deal. They don’t mind him pleading down, they may want him pleading down, closer to the 3-5 you are talking about even if the evidence points to him being more involved. The tape is all that will matter and in the tape it shows he wasn’t involved and couldn’t have stopped it. Guys like facing life without parole get on the stand and say wild crap to wrench up cases when they are overcharged. Prosecutors will keep him happy to take the others to the gallows.
I'm just talking in terms of what I think would be "just". Not necessarily what would happen. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if any or all of them didn't get off due to the nature of the system. I'd be surprised if any of them actually serve a life sentence but I think the dad absolutely should.
