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World's Happiest Countries

I was just in Amsterdam for a petroleum conference in 2014 for a week+ and I got the same feeling. People there were a lot more relaxed (I don't mean because of the weed lol). There just seemed to be much less tension in life when everything ran smoother. There was certainly still racial divisions that needed to be addressed. We asked various people what they thought of their social programs (school, healthcare, etc...) and they all said they loved them. They couldn't imagine not being able to afford to go to university (if you were smart enough).

They did say that the level of 'competition' and drive in their economy wasn't the same as ours. It just seems like Americans work themselves to death when we don't really need to.
 
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As far as racism and social tension between economic classes, I'm not sure that is something that is 'solvable' per se. Europe certainly still has all those problems.

True but the degree varies from country to country.

We were in Cuba last year, and we were struck by low well integrated it was. In 60 years it went from a corrupt, slave dependent oligarchy to a country where there are 17 different words to describe 17 different racial mixtures, all could be used in polite company.
 
I haven't heard any evidence of this in recent years. People are struggling to get away from places with violence and poverty. (Mexico / Latin America, or Syria) for example. You don't hear of a ton of ethnic Europeans clamoring to get to the U.S. these days.
My understanding is the net immigration from Mexico is a negative number: more Mexicans leaving than coming. OTOH I suspect most of the middle east would move here if they were allowed to.
 
Yes this is anecdotal, and yes I can't prove it with facts and figures, but that is part of the reason an article on happiness is so God awful in it's arbitrary comparisons and conclusions.

Measuring happiness with metrics can seem arbitrary, but as you said it seems to support peoples' anecdotal experience as well. It also provides a means of tracking changes year to year.

As for health care being a measure, heath care is the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US. We are having our presidential primary this weekend, so ads, testimonials, and interviews are flooding the airwaves. Huge topic for Bernie and HRC supporters is college debt. The last one I heard today was a woman saying that she had borrowed $20K for school, had paid back $35K in P+I and still owed over $30K. And she was now supposed to be saving for her kids college educations. She was not happy.
 
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So to be clear ...the stretch has become that socialized medicine and high taxes leads to increased "happiness" and if we had those things, people would be less unhappy, thus eliminating anger/racism/fear/hate/ignorance and the votes for Trump? Do I have that right?

So to be very clear, "No."

Here's what I posted: "Evidently high tax rates, government run health insurance and Bernie Sander's type of "socialism" do not destroy happiness in other countries"

"Socialism" and 'high taxes" etc. are thrown around by many here as self-validating negative terms or destructive influences. The point is that there are democratic, developed countries which have developed systems that their populations are happy with, and those systems may involve high taxes or government run healthcare or other elements that would be called 'socialism", particularly on this board.

The more general point is to point out the potential value of looking at how other countries deal with issues we face here. We might learn from their successes as well as their failures. The private sector does it; I'd bet that many of the companies that posters work for do it. Why shouldn't our government or we as a society do it? The world is a big place, and America does not have the sole patent on good ideas.
 
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Yes, and then you brought in unhappiness and Trump.

You can see how I'd assume it's relevant to the current conversation and initial post.
 
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This has to the most worn out thread ever. It adds to the list of things the government should provide a poorly defined happiness. The original post claims happiness has not gone up per Sachs. He did not even claims it had gone down.

This is a thread about nothing. Our government has promised us the right to the
PERSUIT of happiness. Only politicians promise us happiness if we do what they want us to.
 
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North sea oil is on its last legs. It may pay for a couple of the country's programs, but places like France & Germany aren't really hamstrung by their dependence on the North Sea. Even the Netherlands has Shell who is international.

Mainly you'd be referring to the UK, Denmark, and Norway. But those aren't the only countries that have progressive social programs in Western Europe.

North Sea oil may be a lot of things... But it is hardly on its last legs.
 
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Yes, and then you brought in unhappiness and Trump.
You can see how I'd assume it's relevant to the current conversation and initial post.

Sort of. Just responding to posts that were already off topic, basically claiming that those countries weren't all that happy and implying that no one could be as happy as we are. Pointless. I should have ignored.
 
This has to the most worn out thread ever. It adds to the list of things the government should provide a poorly defined happiness. The original post claims happiness has not gone up per Sachs. He did not even claims it had gone down.

This is a thread about nothing. Our government has promised us the right to the
PERSUIT of happiness. Only politicians promise us happiness if we do what they want us to.

If that were my understanding of the topic, I'd agree.
 
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I'm sorry I've been checking the back posts and I cannot find where someone said that no one could be as happy as we are or implied it . I guess I just wasted my time looking for that post or it has been deleted . Maybe it just sprang up in the fertile ground of WATU's imagination.
 
Funny... A lot of the same things were thought about Saudi Arabia a few years ago, the deep GOM, and PBTX.

No one said that about Saudi. Their oil has always been cheap and easy to produce. The midcontinent was dying as well until horizontal drilling in combination with fracking came along. I can't speak for the gulf of mexico.
 
No one said that about Saudi. Their oil has always been cheap and easy to produce. The midcontinent was dying as well until horizontal drilling in combination with fracking came along. I can't speak for the gulf of mexico.

Actually they did. It wasn't too long ago that it was believed that Saudi had reached peak output and could no longer keep up with demand.

So .. Technology took fields on their last legs and made them viable again?
 
I opened this thread expecting to see Laos, Vietnam, China and Cuba rocking the happiness meter.
 
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