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As long as she's working for cheap I don't think that's too high on their list of priorities.
It should be a priority. Look at the other programs and they are getting better while we keep a coach that is one of the worst in D1. Junior high teams "play hard"
I am with the fire mossman bandwagon. I understand it’s on the cheap but my god that is horrible
A couple of teams in the American give them a game. Great teams beat them like Baylor, Tennessee, Stanford..etc. 2013 we were a 16 seed out of conference USA . Since then we have been horridly bad.
It's not the first game they've lost by 50 points or more this year... On the other hand, they are 3 points total from being 7-11, which is a better winning percentage than Monty has. And they've lost 4 games in OT or by less than 4 points. With Gragg's horseshoes or hand grenades logic, we're a .500 team in moral victories. It's hard to fire a coach with that record!
Unfortunately I think those close losses broke the girls a little bit. That sort of thing tends to build which is a shame because there were signs of life last year. Overall the conference is improving and even with UConn leaving it is likely to be multi bid. Currently UCF and Temple are in a position to get to at large bids and USF could if they can finally get it all going at once. A couple other teams like Cincy and Houston are clearly building and likely WNIT teams. Tulane has been good at times in the past and are young. Wichita St seems to have some improvement as well.
On the list of things it's down a ways and the coach has made some nice inroads on recruiting but yeah it's probably time for a change.
On the list of things it's down a ways and the coach has made some nice inroads on recruiting but yeah it's probably time for a change.
Who cares about women’s basketball? You guys keeping tabs on the women’s soccer coach’s record too?
Part of growing up is realizing that just because you're not interested in something doesn't mean other people aren't interested in it. Most people get that by the time they're 5 or 6 but some people are slow.
I follow softball, soccer, tennis, and rowing as well. This game happened to be on the tube so I got to watch them play and get hammered.
I have also been watching the Youth Olympics, watched a horribly outmatched Swiss under 16 hockey team compete for 45 minutes of ice time tonight. Their goalie stood on her head to keep it a 2 - nil score against a top tier team. She was 14 and probably has more class than you just showed with this post. Though I admit the Monty dig was unnecessary
I’m not saying you shouldn’t occasionally watch a game. I’m just saying, the quality of the coach isn’t as important as long as the coach is running a clean and helpful program in terms of building up their players.
Wow. Trying to decide if this quote is just misogyny or just basshole or both. Unbelievable. This is why Title IX is necessary.
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I love everyone getting offended by this. I’ve probably been to more TU women’s games than just about everyone on this board. What I was trying to say was that criticizing Mossman for poor performance makes about as much sense as criticizing the women’s tennis golf or soccer coaches. None of whom are doing terribly well. Yes it’s nice when they do well, but no one cares enough for success to be imperative like it is in basketball or football.
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To be fair to Aston...I'm not sure the school really cares. Mossman's performance would get almost every men's basketball coach fired. Yet, TU just keeps the status quo.
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So winning and competing at your best only matters if it generates big $$ for the school? That might be even more gross than the misogyny. I bet the players care. You can see why the Levits of the world have a bad view of athletics.
Yes, right, but if you want to talk about Monty let's do it on the FB board. Oh wait, you weren't talking about Monty? The problem is the school doesn't care about athletics, not a particular coach or sport. There just isn't an expectation of, or even desire for, excellence in athletics at TU.
BTW, the argument for the educational and developmental value of WBB is a lot stronger than the argument for football, so if you want to talk to the admin in a way they might care, you better support WBB. Because if it's a low priority, then FB will be even lower.
It is not uncommon. But we haven't improved at all in the AAC. We should at least have an outside chance of finishing in the top 4-5 every couple of years or so, but we never are. We lose to teams we shouldn't. We had a monster lead against OSU earlier this season and scored like 22 2nd half points and ended up getting drilled. I'd even be in favor of finding KMM and bringing her back if she's available. She's a great coach, can recruit, and she really liked it at TU. She was one of those coaches who really bought into campus and the atmosphere and really tried to engage with other members of the campus community including non-athletic faculty and staff.
Ah, the old “I’m not a racist, I have a (insert friend’s race here) friend.” I’m not offended, I just think you’re an asshole. And I doubt you’ve been to more than I have. I still stand by my comment that you’re stupid reply is why Title IX is necessary.
Calling someone an basshole on a message board . Nice touch and real classy
I can think of sixty things more pressing in the athletic department before women’s basketball, if and only if, the young women continue to make academic progress at the rate they have been making under the present coach. If you dont already know, you don’t want to know the shape women’s basketball has been in a couple of times over the past twenty five years. We are lucky to still have this program and we are lucky the NCAA lets us compete. No comment on some of the names mentioned above. None are welcome back as far as I’m concerned.
Y’all are welcome to beat the crap out of each other, but the coach and this team are doing what they are supposed to be doing for this program: graduating, competing, representing the university, and keeping up the APR compliance if it ever matters for football.
As for women’s soccer, I’d point you over to the soccer board. Our girls aren’t what they were four years ago when we had two girls go pro, one of whom got a World Cup team try out, and deserved to be in the Top 25, but they are still very very competitive. If memory serves they had a 1000 APR last season. Softball speaks for itself. We spend too much on rowing but that is pass through from big donors and the optics are good. Again an APR over ten years between 985 and 1000. If we have to drop more sports, women’s tennis should be the first to go, but we have one of the best facilities in the country for students not from this country to use. so that program is going nowhere and they are doing just fine on the court.
Y’all are welcome to beat the crap out of each other, but the coach and this team are doing what they are supposed to be doing for this program: graduating, competing, representing the university, and keeping up the APR compliance if it ever matters for football.
As for women’s soccer, I’d point you over to the soccer board. Our girls aren’t what they were four years ago when we had two girls go pro, one of whom got a World Cup team try out, and deserved to be in the Top 25, but they are still very very competitive. If memory serves they had a 1000 APR last season. Softball speaks for itself. We spend too much on rowing but that is pass through from big donors and the optics are good. Again an APR over ten years between 985 and 1000. If we have to drop more sports, women’s tennis should be the first to go, but we have one of the best facilities in the country for students not from this country to use. so that program is going nowhere and they are doing just fine on the court.
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Butthole is a much more friendly term. And it’s just fun to say!
You could say most of the same things about football. The common theme in your posts is that we don't have enough $$ to maintain competitive D1 sports, at least not the current set of them. I suspect a lot of that is just a cop out way to support the status quo where nobody can fact check you but every post like this should concern people. As we move to an inherently lower profit margin business model, how will we continue to afford sports at this level? What's the plan? Do we have faith in Barney Fife and Gilligan to fix this? Oh wait, Barney left, it's just Gilligan in charge now. If we're on the very verge of not being able to afford athletics now, do you really think Gilligan will fix it? Think of it this way - when you quit your job as a high priced lawyer to get the personal satisfaction of being an elementary school teacher, your lifestyle has to change to reflect you salary change. No more Maserati or front row tix to the local opera. That's what we're facing too. How will Gilligan prioritize the cuts?
LOL, maybe ITS will make it into the Guinness Book of World Records for first time someone called another person a mean name on an anonymous message board. You could post about how he violated the terms of use and should be kicked off, then we'd have two first time evers in the Guinness Book!
Just for fun, I used to report inappropriate language by Pats all the time. Each one was addressed promptly by one of the mods.
Whatever happened to Pats? He must have quit on us again. I do kind of miss him.
Maybe @goldenhurricane2 has an update.
lol he’s still around. I believe he locked himself out of his account. He’s still watching plenty of king of queens for anyone who’s interested.
There are several tribute accounts to Pats on the twitters if you know what you are looking for. Or something. I’m not sure which is the real one anymore.
It’s difficult to respond to this post because your statements are confusing and you seem to be attacking me personally for a series of decisions I would not have made. I’m not sure why you say I make statements that can’t be verified.
Frankly, I speak more freely on here than I should. There isn’t a lot utility in discussing a lot of things about TU athletics from the past that are embarrassing. But i like to keep the discussion honest. For instance, tempering our self righteous reliance of dismissing defeats and recruiting losses due to academic qualifications when the reality is that we’ve admitted students who are functionally illiterate on multiple occasions over the years and gotten them the help they needed off campus while they stayed eligible as long as they could.
But since you want facts, and I know I’m right because I’ve lived it, so if you want stats or links you’ll have to go find them yourself. The reality is that TU has been paying for women’s basketball since the Carter Administration. We’ve had maybe 6 or 7 winning seasons in that time. So Mossman’s .500 looks pretty good to me. We’ve been to the tournament twice. One of those appearances was under Mossman. The other was under the previous coach, who had a 20+ win season and promptly was penalized by the NCAA a scholarship the following year for willfully failing to make adequate academic performance. I don’t want to even think how inadequately prepared those students were and how inadequate our academic support was for that to happen. There were a host of off field dirty laundry incidents. After several players left the team, the program was in chaos. All of the information in this paragraph is available from independent sources on the internet if you want to go look. And that’s not the worst period for that program — by far.
There currently is, and should continue to be, varying definitions of what constitutes success for TU sports when compared both to TU’s peers, particularly in conference, but also differences in the standard of success for the different sports at TU. And let me be emphatic that I don’t mean different standards of success between men and women or even revenue and non-revenue sports (which in the case of TU is football vs the rest). TU is not alone in this view. Not only is it difficult for a mid major to attract talent to compete in the tiny recruiting pool necessary to be nationally competitive, people that know what they are talking about know that women’s basketball is consistently across the board across the nation the lowest, or near the lowest, graduating rate of all the sports at the FBS level. Bringing talent here to win 20 games is not easy, typically not feasible given budget constraints, and too often not in the long term best interests of the students themselves who may stay eligible and graduate if they go elsewhere. None of that has anything to do with Janet Levit, TU’s current or future financial situation, or me. It has to do with the limited number of women in this country coming out of high school who are 6’4” and above who can shoot an outside jumper off the dribble AND pass biology. Few of these women graduate in the TU footprint and nearly all are scooped up by the Top 25. Most have no business at TU anyway. No amount of money is going to change that. No previous leadership team has done better, even during rosy times.
Nobody likes to see a result like this one. But you forget how beneficial it is to TU to be able to play UCONN at all in WBB. Mossman is doing a good job doing what is asked of her and she’s doing it better than anyone else before her and I’m confident she’s doing it as well as anyone coming after her and I personally don’t know anyone willing to come to TU who could do it better.
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I would like to see the women be more competitive in basketball. The only women’s sport I watch is softball and I only watch the Women’s College World Series. I always get let down when they lose to Oklahoma and don’t make it to the super’s. I don’t get to watch the basketball as it’s not on when I’m available living here in Virginia. I got it with the academics; however, the school is still paying money for this team to do horridly bad.
The golf, rowing, etc does not get put out there more than basketball and football. I say there as well if the staff isn’t producing numbers then they need to go as well.
The golf, rowing, etc does not get put out there more than basketball and football. I say there as well if the staff isn’t producing numbers then they need to go as well.
There’s a lot of truth in this post. I disagree that we shouldn’t look at someone else. Also, recruiting in women’s basketball is brutal and managing it from an athletic department perspective would be an effing nightmare. A lot of people on the intertrons act like they’d be the greatest manager/ AD ever, but they would run something like this into shouldering dumpster fire of medical waste and leftover sloppy joe meat from Ed’s Hurricane Lounge. (That’s meat, right?) Also, I don’t get why CL makes some things personal.
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