Tulsa's next Head Football Coach

[Henry Kendall]

I think about the new HC at Kansas State. Built the legacy at North Dakota State. Is going to do very well there.

I wonder if we wouldn't be better bringing in someone like that, a coach at a lower-level school, who is used to making the most of his recruits. It's one thing to recruit to OU, they can pick and choose, it's quite another to recruit to a smaller school with less to offer.

 

[TU_BLA]

I think about the new HC at Kansas State. Built the legacy at North Dakota State. Is going to do very well there.

I wonder if we wouldn't be better bringing in someone like that, a coach at a lower-level school, who is used to making the most of his recruits. It's one thing to recruit to OU, they can pick and choose, it's quite another to recruit to a smaller school with less to offer.

Kliemann is the real deal. I heard him in an interview where the guy who previously came in to replace Snyder tried to hard to not change anything that Snyder built and he felt that was a mistake. Kliemann wants to embrace the family atmosphere Snyder built, but he still wants to leave his own mark on the program with regards to style of play, recruiting, etc. I also think Kliemann had a far better understanding of knowing the amount of time it would take him to make the program his own. It also looks like the players he has inherited from Snyder and the ones he brought in have absolutely 100% bought into what Kliemann is selling. I'd be fine with a move like that for TU, but who is that right person at the FCS or D2 level? NW Missouri State has had a fantastic D2 program for many years but it doesn't sound like that coach would ever leave Marysville.

 

[Henry Kendall]

I'd be fine with a move like that for TU, but who is that right person at the FCS or D2 level?

Oh, I have no idea. I just like to pontificate, without any real clue how to back it up.:joy:

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Oh, I have no idea. I just like to pontificate, without any real clue how to back it up.:joy:

Are you quoting our AD?

 

[Hurricane Drummer]

If Morris gets fired at Arkansas it would be nice if Monty hired him as an OC. The chances of that working out are probably slim, but it's a nice thought.

 

[astonmartin708]

If Morris gets fired at Arkansas it would be nice if Monty hired him as an OC. The chances of that working out are probably slim, but it's a nice thought.

If TU can't come up with the funding for a Monty buyout at the end of the season, this would be a good interim move. Also, we need a new OL coach. The OL play the last two seasons has been piss poor.

 

[jerandlaur]

Kliemann is the real deal. I heard him in an interview where the guy who previously came in to replace Snyder tried to hard to not change anything that Snyder built and he felt that was a mistake. Kliemann wants to embrace the family atmosphere Snyder built, but he still wants to leave his own mark on the program with regards to style of play, recruiting, etc. I also think Kliemann had a far better understanding of knowing the amount of time it would take him to make the program his own. It also looks like the players he has inherited from Snyder and the ones he brought in have absolutely 100% bought into what Kliemann is selling. I'd be fine with a move like that for TU, but who is that right person at the FCS or D2 level? NW Missouri State has had a fantastic D2 program for many years but it doesn't sound like that coach would ever leave Marysville.

You don't think he would ever leave? Making 10 times as much money might be a nice incentive.

 

[chito_and_leon]

Not sure he's tried. Others may be able to comment on that, but I wonder if he's just falling into line with the other higher ups.

Underappreciated post of the week.

 

[chito_and_leon]

I think about the new HC at Kansas State. Built the legacy at North Dakota State. Is going to do very well there.

I wonder if we wouldn't be better bringing in someone like that, a coach at a lower-level school, who is used to making the most of his recruits. It's one thing to recruit to OU, they can pick and choose, it's quite another to recruit to a smaller school with less to offer.

This is how Blankenship built out his staff. Half of them came from some lower level school in Colorado I think. So the lesson is, if you're going to hire people from lower level schools, at least only hire people who actually won at the lower level. Seems like they had all been fired from the place they were before.

 

[HuffyCane]

Nm

 

[HuffyCane]

Nm

 

[TheGoldenTulsas]

This is how Blankenship built out his staff. Half of them came from some lower level school in Colorado I think. So the lesson is, if you're going to hire people from lower level schools, at least only hire people who actually won at the lower level. Seems like they had all been fired from the place they were before.

I was disappointed in the hiring of Blankenship from the get go. I was specifically dismayed by his decision to hire a bunch of guys who had previously coached Northern Colorado to very bad losing records and were fired. They were key offensive and defensive staff who specifically failed to coach their positions at NCU (and then again at TU). Most all of them got huge promotions and pay raise from TU despite failing to ever do better than 3-8 at NCU! As far as I could tell, the only reason they got the jobs at TU was because the main guy, Scott Downing, was friends with BB.

Similarly, before his final season, BB hired his own son to take over as OC... who had virtually no success running a HS offense previously. I thought TU should've just fired him right there with that choice. I guess his logic was that if he was going to be fired, might as well get his son paid while at it.

 

[TheGoldenTulsas]

Before I found out BB's staff, I tried to remain optimistic. That UNCo staff hiring was when I lost all confidence that Blankenship would be the answer.

How did the AD even allow those guys to be brought in? How did they allow the hiring of Blankenshp Junior (who was not qualified to be on any Div 1 staff, much less OC)? No one else in the country would have hired him in any capacity after ~1 season over a poorly run HS offense. That was blatant nepotism. Those are questions someone should've gotten an answer to. TU funds should not be used to restart your friend's career or jumpstart your vastly-under-qualified son's career.

If Monty gets another year and ended up hiring his son/cousin/etc (or if he did after last year), you can bet we would all be livid and rightfully so. Paying yet another buyout would be horrible for TU. Maybe they should give him a chance to find a great OC and then decide on whether his plan to fix this is better than the buyout.

 

[Hurricane Drummer]

If TU can't come up with the funding for a Monty buyout at the end of the season, this would be a good interim move. Also, we need a new OL coach. The OL play the last two seasons has been piss poor.

I'm torn on the OL coach. We had good lines til last year where we had multiple injuries to key players. Then this year they're very inexperienced but seem to be slowly improving.

But if Monty goes I'm fine with just cleaning house and starting over. Except with maybe our strength coach and nutrition person.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I'm torn on the OL coach. We had good lines til last year where we had multiple injuries to key players. Then this year they're very inexperienced but seem to be slowly improving.

But if Monty goes I'm fine with just cleaning house and starting over. Except with maybe our strength coach and nutrition person.

DC wouldn't be a bad guy to keep around for continuity and coaching ability.

 

[maverickfp]

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-meets-ex-coach-greg-schiano-coaching-vacancy

interesting. Schiano won't go back to rutgers without improvements like we want around here.

 

[jerandlaur]

If Monty gets another year and ended up hiring his son/cousin/etc (or if he did after last year), you can bet we would all be livid and rightfully so. Paying yet another buyout would be horrible for TU. Maybe they should give him a chance to find a great OC and then decide on whether his plan to fix this is better than the buyout.

He has already said that he isn’t going to hire an OC. He just needs to go.

 

[astonmartin708]

He has already said that he isn’t going to hire an OC. He just needs to go.

When?

 

[astonmartin708]

I'm torn on the OL coach. We had good lines til last year where we had multiple injuries to key players. Then this year they're very inexperienced but seem to be slowly improving.

But if Monty goes I'm fine with just cleaning house and starting over. Except with maybe our strength coach and nutrition person.

The line wasn’t originally coached by our current guy though. It was originally coached by the guy who went to Texas.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

When?

When did he say he wouldn't hire an OC or when does he need to go?

 

[jesterondirt]

I just bought 5 powerball tickets, I'll let you all know tomorrow night if TG is coming back or not

Good news and bad news.

Good news is, we won. Bad news is my wife has the tickets in her purse and already called Kliff Kingsbury instead.

 

[Weatherdemon]

When?

In an interview a week or so ago.
Said he can’t afford some guys and doesn’t trust anyone else to run the offense.

 

[astonmartin708]

In an interview a week or so ago.
Said he can’t afford some guys and doesn’t trust anyone else to run the offense.

yikes. Not a good look.

 

[TU_BLA]

When?

Actually the gist of what he said was more that he'd be open to hiring an OC if he found someone he trusted could do it. He then stated he doesn't know of anyone out there who is available, would come to TU for what we could pay them, and that Monty trusted more than he trusted himself to do it. He made it seem like it was just not going to happen mostly because Monty didn't want to give up that control.

 

[astonmartin708]

Actually the gist of what he said was more that he'd be open to hiring an OC if he found someone he trusted could do it. He then stated he doesn't know of anyone out there who is available, would come to TU for what we could pay them, and that Monty trusted more than he trusted himself to do it. He made it seem like it was just not going to happen mostly because Monty didn't want to give up that control.

It's sad. I think a lot of us like the guy as a guy. We're trying to give him an out / a way to move forward, and he's just not willing to listen.

 

[tupatsfan]

yikes. Not a good look.

he’s full of it, and trying to use excuses. The university would pay for a solid OC, but he’s trying to deflect blame.

 

[astonmartin708]

he’s full of it, and trying to use excuses. The university would pay for a solid OC, but he’s trying to deflect blame.

I'm not sure about that considering the financials of the University, but it surprises me that no one that he's hired over the last 6 years does he trust to take over the role. Note, that when he first got here, we paid for TWO OC's and we were willing to pay to keep them when they chose Texas.

How much is Sterlin Gilbert getting paid as head coach at McNeese State right now? I can't imagine it'd be much more than we'd pay for an OC. Unless, the relationship between him and Monty soured to the point htat Monty wouldn't work with him. Which one would we rather do? Waste money on a buy out or pay for an actual service which we'd have to pay for with a new coach anyway?

 

[astonmartin708]

The Tulsa admin needs to realize that they're in a precarious position in athletics right now. They finally walked into a nice payday with the new TV contract, but the conference contracted with UConn's exit and we've been hearing grumblings from conference mates about our small size (market and undergraduate) and our under performance in the two major sports.

We can't afford to just sit back and cash those TV checks without reinvesting into athletics, because we could very easily end up like Temple a couple decades ago, essentially being booted from the Big East. We need to show that we belong in the conference by being somewhat competitive for several years straight in both football and basketball. That means postseason appearances. Bowl games and NIT's need to be minimums for our coaches, but we also have to support the coaches financially by hiring competent staffers.

We need to show commitment to this conference.

 

[TU Man]

When?

in the Tulsa World. Haisten article last month. exact piece from article:


It is believed the University of Tulsa would support Montgomery in the hiring of a coordinator, if the head coach chooses to go that route.

“Have I thought about it? Yes,” Montgomery said. “Do I really want to do that? Not really. We’ve had (offensive) struggles the last two years. I don’t think we are struggling as bad right now. The tough part is, when you hire somebody, you’ve got to trust them to do it. Right now, all of this is on my plate. Who am I going to trust more than me?

“There are some guys out there who I trust, but can I pay them enough? Probably not. Would they want to come here right now, under these circumstances: ‘How much security do you have left, Coach?’ ”

 

[TU1NNJ]

The Tulsa admin needs to realize that they're in a precarious position in athletics right now. They finally walked into a nice payday with the new TV contract, but the conference contracted with UConn's exit and we've been hearing grumblings from conference mates about our small size (market and undergraduate) and our under performance in the two major sports.

We can't afford to just sit back and cash those TV checks without reinvesting into athletics, because we could very easily end up like Temple a couple decades ago, essentially being booted from the Big East. We need to show that we belong in the conference by being somewhat competitive for several years straight in both football and basketball. That means postseason appearances. Bowl games and NIT's need to be minimums for our coaches, but we also have to support the coaches financially by hiring competent staffers.

We need to show commitment to this conference.

I don’t disagree that we need to show commitment to FB via investment in the program but the conference leadership is more concerned with our TV numbers followed by performance.

 

[Hurricane Drummer]

The line wasn’t originally coached by our current guy though. It was originally coached by the guy who went to Texas.

Bloesch has been the O line coach for 4 of the last 5 years according to tulsahurricane.com. So I'd say it's 50/50 on whether he's fit for the job or not.

 

[Raisin_Cane]

Bloesch has been the O line coach for 4 of the last 5 years according to tulsahurricane.com. So I'd say it's 50/50 on whether he's fit for the job or not.

This young talented group was evaluated and recruited by him. So yeah I think he’s got what it takes. Based on the lack of penalties recently and general improvement along the line, I think the problems were more with experience than with skill. (Or maybe everyone has tiny guard arms and can’t play tackle)

 

[astonmartin708]

Bloesch has been the O line coach for 4 of the last 5 years according to tulsahurricane.com. So I'd say it's 50/50 on whether he's fit for the job or not.

And 3 of the last 5 the line has been a problem. Bloesch's line did well in Dane's senior season, but those guys were also coached by Matt Mattox the season before and we were all really impressed with him. I would welcome Mattox (who is now Gilbert's OC/OL coach at McNeese State) in a heartbeat as the OL coach his OL was strong at UT and USF as well.

 

[astonmartin708]

I don’t disagree that we need to show commitment to FB via investment in the program but the conference leadership is more concerned with our TV numbers followed by performance.

If we're going to screw up them having a championship game in 2 years (after the waiver expires) then we might be on the chopping block. No matter if they acknowledge that publicly or not.

 

[TU_BLA]

It's sad. I think a lot of us like the guy as a guy. We're trying to give him an out / a way to move forward, and he's just not willing to listen.

He's stubborn...and he obviously didn't pay attention to what happened to the coach he succeeded and the lack of a true OC who called plays did to hinder the success of those teams. I get he needs someone who he can trust...just let them do it. It's not like he's groomed anyone on the current staff like Trahan to eventually assume the role of calling plays so Monty can run the program. The value of having another set of eyes and analysis about what is happening can't be overstated.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

I was disappointed in the hiring of Blankenship from the get go.

He was definitely not a good fit at the D1 level. He is better suited for preps.

 

[chito_and_leon]

he’s full of it, and trying to use excuses. The university would pay for a solid OC, but he’s trying to deflect blame.

Well he's right - who's going to work for a guy whose main argument is "my employer is too poor to fire me"? Of course the problem is entirely his own making, he could have gotten someone a few years ago and things might be different but he didn't, so I don't feel sorry for him. But I think anyone we'd hire would be a waste of $$.

 

[TU_BLA]

Well he's right - who's going to work for a guy whose main argument is "my employer is too poor to fire me"? Of course the problem is entirely his own making, he could have gotten someone a few years ago and things might be different but he didn't, so I don't feel sorry for him. But I think anyone we'd hire would be a waste of $$.

Or he could have been grooming Trahan for the entire time.

 

[chito_and_leon]

Or he could have been grooming Trahan for the entire time.

He should have been a little less focused on grooming and a little more focused on winning. This is "solving problems you don't have." Companies do it when they start planning for how to scale to be a billion dollars, it's like, why don't you focus on getting your first customer before planning for your millionth?

 

[Hurricane Drummer]

And 3 of the last 5 the line has been a problem. Bloesch's line did well in Dane's senior season, but those guys were also coached by Matt Mattox the season before and we were all really impressed with him. I would welcome Mattox (who is now Gilbert's OC/OL coach at McNeese State) in a heartbeat as the OL coach his OL was strong at UT and USF as well.

Ehh. Not sure I'd say 3 of the last 5. Perhaps the last 2. But as was said before, we had injuries last year, and are young and improving this year. Verdict is still out for me.