Tulsa Man Wants J6 Pardon

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

I feel sorry for this nutter. He doesn't deserve a pardon. It amazes me to read how much this dude is lying. I didn't see this or that. What a bunch of absolute horse dook.

How do these people delude themselves? 2020 stolen. 2024? Not so much. These people are a total and utter embarrassment.

After a Jan. 6 conviction, Bixby man hopes Trump makes good on his promise to pardon him

Casey Cusick is now on a mission to push for criminal justice reform, all the while hoping President-elect Donald Trump makes good on his promise to pardon him and others.

tulsaworld.com

 

[lawpoke87]

We’re quickly approaching 3000 pardons granted over the last week or so. What’s another one…right ?

 

[astonmartin708]

We’re quickly approaching 3000 pardons granted over the last week or so. What’s another one…right ?

George Washington would have probably publicly hung 5 or 10 of them and granted clemency to the rest.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

George Washington would have probably publicly hung 5 or 10 of them and granted clemency to the rest.

George Washington would be shunned by today's GOP. He required the entire revolutionary army to go through variolation. That wouldn't fly with all of these freedom nazis today.

listening to people talk about what the founders would have done I find humorous. There were differing ideas amongst them and many don't even know what hell they are talking about.

 

[lawpoke87]

lol Pardoned his family for all criminal acts committed during the past 11 years.

 

[aTUfan]

lol Pardoned his family for all criminal acts committed during the past 11 years.

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yea! we all have that ptoblem

 

[noble cane]

We’re quickly approaching 3000 pardons granted over the last week or so. What’s another one…right ?

Like Oprah on a Friday afternoon!

 

[astonmartin708]

lol Pardoned his family for all criminal acts committed during the past 11 years.

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Sad that he felt he needed to do that because of the tone of the incoming administration.

Exhibit A:

 

[lawpoke87]

Sad that he felt he needed to do that because of the tone of the incoming administration.

Exhibit A:

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lol He was grabbing his heart and throwing it to the crowd but when you’re on the autism scale it’s probably better to shy away from any such motions.

Suppose that’s the excuse you have to give instead of “we’ve done some really shady crap over the past decade plus and need to be shielded from prosecution”

Leads us to the questions….are blanket pardons for over a decade period of time within a President’s constitutional power? Hopefully the answer is no

 

[astonmartin708]

lol He was grabbing his heart and throwing it to the crowd but when you’re on the autism scale it’s probably better to shy away from any such motions.

Suppose that’s the excuse you have to give instead of “we’ve done some really shady crap over the past decade plus and need to be shielded from prosecution”

Leads us to the questions….are blanket pardons for over a decade period of time within a President’s constitutional power? Hopefully the answer is no

Bull ****ing shiit. That had nothing to do with Autism.

How many times are you going to defend clear references to fascism? When he starts walking around in brown khaki with a red armband are you going to say that he's just making fashion statement?

Many of the people pardoned today hadn't done shady anything. They had just acted in defense of the interest of the people of the United States and that goes afoul of Mr Trimp.

 

[lawpoke87]

Bull ****ing shiit. That had nothing to do with Autism.

How many times are you going to defend clear references to fascism? When he starts walking around in brown khaki with a red armband are you going to say that he's just making fashion statement?

Many of the people pardoned today hadn't done shady anything. They had just acted in defense of the interest of the people of the United States and that goes afoul of Mr Trimp.

Elon is a smart guy. If fascism were the plan there is zero chance he would be doing Nazi signals at the podium of one of the most televised events in existence. Hard to take someone who supports the government suppression of speech claims of fascism seriously but I’m trying. It’s perfectly fine for a government to silence our voices of dissent but start making hand gestures and we have a crisis…ok. Tin foil hat stuff

We have no clue which Biden family members have and haven’t done shady crap other than Hunter. Lots a smoke around that family. Granting blanket pardons for over a decade of actions is an awful look and sets an horrid precedent. Same with Fauci and the people who investigated J6. Surely even you can see this through your partisan blinders.

Glad you’re not in an internment camp btw

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Bull ****ing shiit. That had nothing to do with Autism.

How many times are you going to defend clear references to fascism? When he starts walking around in brown khaki with a red armband are you going to say that he's just making fashion statement?

Many of the people pardoned today hadn't done shady anything. They had just acted in defense of the interest of the people of the United States and that goes afoul of Mr Trimp.

I don't what it was. I don't think it was that. I think we spend too much time comparing everything to Hitler and Nazis. It is ridiculous.

Look, I think Elon is reckless with his Twitter feed, promoting absolute BS on Twitter without doing his homework, pumping out conspiracy theories to 200 million in seconds and then being picked up by news outlets worldwide. He could do a lot better. He is almost parodying what he said he criticized before. He is 100 + % worse. He has banned more accounts, defamed people and then promoted people who are anti-free speech after being such a free speech absolutist.

 

[noble cane]

Bull ****ing shiit. That had nothing to do with Autism.

How many times are you going to defend clear references to fascism? When he starts walking around in brown khaki with a red armband are you going to say that he's just making fashion statement?

Many of the people pardoned today hadn't done shady anything. They had just acted in defense of the interest of the people of the United States and that goes afoul of Mr Trimp.

If thats a Nazi salute then the BLM fist is a Marxist/Socialist salute..

 

[lawpoke87]

I don't what it was. I don't think it was that. I think we spend too much time comparing everything to Hitler and Nazis. It is ridiculous.

Look, I think Elon is reckless with his Twitter feed, promoting absolute BS on Twitter without doing his homework, pumping out conspiracy theories to 200 million in seconds and then being picked up by news outlets worldwide. He could do a lot better. He is almost parodying what he said he criticized before. He is 100 + % worse. He has banned more accounts, defamed people and then promoted people who are anti-free speech after being such a free speech absolutist.

I will agree with most of this. Elon bought twitter in response to our federal government censoring and silencing the speech of its citizens. He saw this as a serious threat to our freedoms and civil liberties and rightly so. To turn around and begin to censor those critical of him is pure hypocrisy. Now that he is part of the Admin such censorship should not be tolerated. Makes him no better than the last Admin. Unlike many on this board, my base convictions don’t change based on who’s in the White House. A bad precedent is still a bad precedent

 

[astonmartin708]

Elon is a smart guy. If fascism were the plan there is zero chance he would be doing Nazi signals at the podium of one of the most televised events in existence. Hard to take someone who supports the government suppression of speech claims of fascism seriously but I’m trying. It’s perfectly fine for a government to silence our voices of dissent but start making hand gestures and we have a crisis…ok. Tin foil hat stuff

We have no clue which Biden family members have and haven’t done shady crap other than Hunter. Lots a smoke around that family. Granting blanket pardons for over a decade of actions is an awful look and sets an horrid precedent. Same with Fauci and the people who investigated J6. Surely even you can see this through your partisan blinders.

Glad you’re not in an internment camp btw

Saying that you're going to seek revenge over people who have investigated you for potential(?) acts of insurrection and publicizing lists of them for retribution is a horrible precedent... in fact.... it's something a short lived administration in Germany did in the 1940's....

 

[lawpoke87]

Saying that you're going to seek revenge over people who have had disagreements with you and publicizing lists of them is a horrible precedent... in fact.... it's something a short lived administration in Germany did in the 1940's....

Agree. It’s not a good look. They did a lot more than just say they were going to seek revenge in the 40s though. I also believe a short lived administration in Germany silenced the voices of its critics in the 1940s. But we’re somehow ok with that.

 

[lawpoke87]

This clip is amazing. Worried about the precedent and message preemptive pardons would send to the rest of the world.

Flashback: Biden pledged he wouldn't issue preemptive pardons | Fox News Video

In December 2020, Joe Biden was asked about a rumor that then-President Trump would issue preemptive pardons, telling Jake Tapper, ‘You’re not going to see me do that.’

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[astonmartin708]

This clip is amazing. Worried about the precedent and message preemptive pardons would send to the rest of the world.

Flashback: Biden pledged he wouldn't issue preemptive pardons | Fox News Video

In December 2020, Joe Biden was asked about a rumor that then-President Trump would issue preemptive pardons, telling Jake Tapper, ‘You’re not going to see me do that.’

www.foxnews.com

I'm more worried about the precedent and message that pardoning people who threaten Democracy gives the rest of the world.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/trump-inauguration-live-updates.html

Oh, well that and abandoning traditions (indoor inauguration, inviting oligarchs to sit front row with their slutty wives to acknowledge their influence over government, disrespecting religion by not actually swearing on the bible) needlessly destabilizing regional relationships, promoting promoting known pedophiles, alcoholics, and incompetents for extremely cabinet positions, espousing imperialist ideals not seen since the 1910's, taking cues from horrible historic regimes, and prematurely taking credit for psuedo-success before you have actually achieved anything.

P.S. Is the war in Ukraine over? I was told it was going to be over day 1....

P.P.S. have you donated funds to our illustrious overlords yet via their meme coins? I pastor who gave the opening prayer came out with one for gullible stooges like yourself.

 

[TU 1978]

Any J6 loons that President Shi’Thead decides to pardon will be targets once they’re on outside. Open season.

 

[lawpoke87]

Any J6 loons that President Shi’Thead decides to pardon will be targets once they’re on outside. Open season.

WTH does that mean?

 

[lawpoke87]

I'm more worried about the precedent and message that pardoning people who threaten Democracy gives the rest of the world.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/trump-inauguration-live-updates.html

Oh, well that and abandoning traditions (indoor inauguration, inviting oligarchs to sit front row with their slutty wives to acknowledge their influence over government, disrespecting religion by not actually swearing on the bible) needlessly destabilizing regional relationships, promoting promoting known pedophiles, alcoholics, and incompetents for extremely cabinet positions, espousing imperialist ideals not seen since the 1910's, taking cues from horrible historic regimes, and prematurely taking credit for psuedo-success before you have actually achieved anything.

P.S. Is the war in Ukraine over? I was told it was going to be over day 1....

P.P.S. have you donated funds to our illustrious overlords yet via their meme coins? I pastor who gave the opening prayer came out with one for gullible stooges like yourself.

Deflect deflect deflect. The inability of some people to think in a reasonable and lucid fashion due to extreme partisanship still astounds me even after years and years experiencing it on this board.

I’ve never supported pardons of the J6 participants. Still don’t for that matter. Unfortunately, Biden lost any high ground when he started throwing out unprecedented preemptive pardons like a clown at the town Christmas parade.

I know it’s literally impossible for extremist to be against J6 AND Biden’s preemptive pardons. Even though both are wrong

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Biden's pardons were dumb.

If we find out kush and the trumps got a bunch of money from the saudis there is basically no one that will not be able to get pardons.

I would have liked to see the dumb investigations led by James comer the dude is a clown of clown. He is one of the people that when he opens his mouth you get dumber. It is just too funny to listen to Jared Moskowitz make fun of him. To have this ag commissioner from Kentucky go up against Harvard and Stanford educated lawyers are like a Saturday night episode. I want more of it for good laughs. Their best witnesses were basically all charged for lying by the feds. It is amazing. I need more of it.

 

[astonmartin708]

Deflect deflect deflect. The inability of some people to think in a reasonable and lucid fashion due to extreme partisanship still astounds me even after years and years experiencing it on this board.

I’ve never supported pardons of the J6 participants. Still don’t for that matter. Unfortunately, Biden lost any high ground when he started throwing out unprecedented preemptive pardons like a clown at the town Christmas parade.

I know it’s literally impossible for extremist to be against J6 AND Biden’s preemptive pardons. Even though both are wrong

Have you ever considered that some of Biden's pre-emptive pardons may have been used to protect people who are actually innocent from unfair repercussion from Trump or his allies?

For someone who spent so many hours defending Trump from what you, or others like you, described as retaliatory sideshow style court proceedings, I would think you could comprehend that concept.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Biden lost any high ground when he started throwing out unprecedented preemptive pardons like a clown at the town Christmas parade.

I know it’s literally impossible for extremist to be against J6 AND Biden’s preemptive pardons. Even though both are wrong

So you'd rather he take the high ground, and not issue these pardons. Then when he finds a bunch of trumped up charges and puts away members of Biden's family, what are we going to do about it? Feel sorry for them and wish Trump wasn't doing it? Trump is the instigator for this bad precedent. I am certainly glad for preemptive pardons of politicians like Liz Cheney.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

It is hilarious.

Trump gets a free pass for Paul Manafort, who took 15 plus million from Viktor Yanukovych and never managed to report it to the IRS. Viktor is Russia Vlad's puppet. You should google the palace he built himself outside Kyiv, which he fled from in the middle of the night.

I know this is complicated stuff for people here. There are lots of multi-syllable names. Rudy and the Trump contingent and Fox pimped information from that crowd all through the first trump presidency. Then, they stalled it out.

The Ukrainians have been at war with the Russians cold and hot war since the early 2000s, with big politicians getting poisoned with Dioxin and working to ban them from NATO. Ultimately, that culminated with the Miadan Revolution, when Russian-backed cops killed 108 Ukrainians. The Ukrianian parliament voted 328-0 to get Russia and Paul Manafort's boy out of office after he had those people murdered, so he fled in the middle of the night to Moscow.

One month later, Russia annexed Crimea, and Russians started crossing the border into the Donbas.

This is real stuff. Trump gets a pass.

Now, you can beat the hell out of cops if you go along with his BS about the government "stealing an election." I am unsure how it did, but this time it didn't. I am not sure why this time, but it did. I barely won in 2016, lost big in 2020, and had a relatively small win 2024 (the smallest since Nixon's popular vote in 1968).

Think about why these preemptive pardons are happening.

Republicans made him look bad on TV. Every. Single. Interview by the J6 commission was a Republican.
Fauci tried to stomp out a pandemic.

Get real.

 

[lawpoke87]

So you'd rather he take the high ground, and not issue these pardons. Then when he finds a bunch of trumped up charges and puts away members of Biden's family, what are we going to do about it? Feel sorry for them and wish Trump wasn't doing it? Trump is the instigator for this bad precedent. I am certainly glad for preemptive pardons of politicians like Liz Cheney.

Glad you brought up Liz. I don’t mind this pardon but would prefer it to be specific to her service on the J6 committee or even better to specific acts. Like Trump she likely technically broke the law. Like Trump in NY, the only reason she is being investigated is political. A specific pardon is warranted here.

There’s a reason practically every Dem was warning against preemptive blanket pardons four years ago. They were correct in that they set an awful precedent. Like many on this board, they now support the same because their party is now the actor.

I’m troubled that so many here are blind to the dangers of this action. You’re supporting immunity for family members and political allies from all crimes (known or unknown) over an extended period of time. You just gave Trump and his Admin, allies, family members, and the entire Republican Party the green light to break any federal law they please with impunity. For whatever reason this doesn’t bother many of you when it should scare the hell out of us if you truly believe Trump and his buddies border on fascism.

Many here need to look at the big picture. Partisans get so caught up in wanting to support “our guys” we forget consequences going forward when “the other guys” are using the precedent we just set against us. I predict Trump will be throwing out pardons in four years which will surpass the number and scope of what we’re now seeing. Those who supported this precedent will act outraged just as they did at the prospect of preemptive blanket pardons four years ago. We just took a significant step toward lawlessness without consequences for the elite and political leaders. Remember this over the next four years. It’s going to get ugly.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Nah, i thought it was kind of weird how many bidens were pardoned.

I thought Hunter got a raw deal. His crime has almost been prosecuted in federal court, and the sentence was outrageous. The dude loved cocaine and naked women. Is this the end of the world? He was a first-time non-violent offender. Those cases are never brought as stand-alone. He just happened to be the president's son. He is also connected and profits off of it. Every ex-senator, congressman, and general does as well. Jared Kushner isn't getting two billion from the Saudis without being related to the Trumps. It is really that simple. That never gets mentioned on Fox or by the GOP.

What about Matt Gaetz? The GOP kept his little indiscretions in committee.

Don't tell me that Trump Junior isn't obviously on something. The guy was coked up or on some amphetamine.

But now go look at what the SEC did with Carl Ichan. The dude magically failed to disclose 4.6 to 5.1 billion in margin loans while pledging stock in his company. He gets a slap on the wrist, and when this goes public, the stock tanks by like 4 billion dollars.

This is a fraud, and he skates and pays 1.5 million dollars. Dude should be in jail. I digress.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Glad you brought up Liz. I don’t mind this pardon but would prefer it to be specific to her service on the J6 committee or even better to specific acts. Like Trump she likely technically broke the law. Like Trump in NY, the only reason she is being investigated is political. A specific pardon is warranted here.

There’s a reason practically every Dem was warning against preemptive blanket pardons four years ago. They were correct in that they set an awful precedent. Like many on this board, they now support the same because their party is now the actor.

I’m troubled that so many here are blind to the dangers of this action. You’re supporting immunity for family members and political allies from all crimes (known or unknown) over an extended period of time. You just gave Trump and his Admin, allies, family members, and the entire Republican Party the green light to break any federal law they please with impunity. For whatever reason this doesn’t bother many of you when it should scare the hell out of us if you truly believe Trump and his buddies border on fascism.

Many here need to look at the big picture. Partisans get so caught up in wanting to support “our guys” we forget consequences going forward when “the other guys” are using the precedent we just set against us. I predict Trump will be throwing out pardons in four years which will surpass the number and scope of what we’re now seeing. Those who supported this precedent will act outraged just as they did at the prospect of preemptive blanket pardons four years ago. We just took a significant step toward lawlessness without consequences for the elite and political leaders. Remember this over the next four years. It’s going to get ugly.

If Trump found anything he felt he could manufacture to support legal charges against Biden's family he would. It wouldn't matter to him whether they had done anything illegal or not. That would set a bad precedent for him to do that as well. You know Trump would work this if he found something, even an unfounded rumor that he knew was false.

How is it that Liz Cheney broke the law? Are you saying she broke the law by using the powers allotted to every congressperson to investigate the President if she was put on a committee approved by congress. As a check and balance of the executive branch, that is her duty to investigate the office. It was also her duty to say in the investigation was unfounded, if that is what she found during the investigation. She found the opposite. I doubt she broke a single law. She & the committee had the support of many congressmen before it was formed, and they caved in the weeks and months following Jan 6. If you had the vote for a committee to be convened in late January, instead of May, there would have been a lot more than 35 republicans voting to convene. That 35 voted for it in May is amazing.

What we need is Constitutional law that guides these type situations, seeing as how they don't work on the honor system if your President refuses to follow it. Trump is the first President to choose to flaut just about every bit of the honor system he could. He did things no President would have ever had the nerve to do. Even Nixon never came close to the things Trump has done. When you have the entirety of your party afraid to cross him, that's the end of the honor system. You need legal guidelines in print now.

This following statement you made can be applied to Trump's unspoken promises to carry out every threat he ever made to politicians and businessmen, if he found a way within a self-abused legal system. 'We just took a significant step toward lawlessness without consequences for the elite and political leaders.'


Trump has abused the legal system his entire life. What makes you think he would stop now, with it's full power. If Biden had made that pardon for Liz Cheney strictly within the bounds of her duties on that committee Trump would have looked everywhere else for ways to pull trumped up charges on her. Biden had to be broad in his pardons to stop Trump in his tracks.

 

[lawpoke87]

If Trump found anything he felt he could manufacture to support legal charges against Biden's family he would. It wouldn't matter to him whether they had done anything illegal or not. That would set a bad precedent for him to do that as well. You know Trump would work this if he found something, even an unfounded rumor that he knew was false.

How is it that Liz Cheney broke the law? Are you saying she broke the law by using the powers allotted to every congressperson to investigate the President if she was put on a committee approved by congress. As a check and balance of the executive branch, that is her duty to investigate the office. It was also her duty to say in the investigation was unfounded, if that is what she found during the investigation. She found the opposite. I doubt she broke a single law. She & the committee had the support of many congressmen before it was formed, and they caved in the weeks and months following Jan 6. If you had the vote for a committee to be convened in late January, instead of May, there would have been a lot more than 35 republicans voting to convene. That 35 voted for it in May is amazing.

What we need is Constitutional law that guides these type situations, seeing as how they don't work on the honor system if your President refuses to follow it. Trump is the first President to choose to flaut just about every bit of the honor system he could. He did things no President would have ever had the nerve to do. Even Nixon never came close to the things Trump has done. When you have the entirety of your party afraid to cross him, that's the end of the honor system. You need legal guidelines in print now.

This following statement you made can be applied to Trump's unspoken promises to carry out every threat he ever made to politicians and businessmen, if he found a way within a self-abused legal system. 'We just took a significant step toward lawlessness without consequences for the elite and political leaders.'


Trump has abused the legal system his entire life. What makes you think he would stop now, with it's full power. If Biden had made that pardon for Liz Cheney strictly within the bounds of her duties on that committee Trump would have looked everywhere else for ways to pull trumped up charges on her. Biden had to be broad in his pardons to stop Trump in his tracks.

It’s crazy to me that those who were in a panic over the thought of the Supreme Court granting immunity to a President for acts outside the scope of his job are now perfectly fine with a President being able to grant absolute immunity for criminal acts of friends, family, party members, etc…committed over long periods of time. Why….because it now benefits the political party you support. Future implications simply don’t matter when there’s an immediate political benefit. The logic here escapes me. Are we that partisan that were unable to grasp future consequences? This isn’t going to end well. Trump’s cronies now have a green light to do anything they wish.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

It’s crazy to me that those who were in a panic over the thought of the Supreme Court granting immunity to a President for acts outside the scope of his job are now perfectly fine with a President being able to grant absolute immunity for criminal acts of friends, family, party members, etc…committed over long periods of time. Why….because it now benefits the political party you support. Future implications simply don’t matter when there’s an immediate political benefit. The logic here escapes me. Are we that partisan that were unable to grasp future consequences? This isn’t going to end well. Trump’s cronies now have a green light to do anything they wish.

You don't think they had a green light before these pardons. That's why they were pardoned. I guarantee you Liz Cheney was free game if this pardon hadn't been issued. The issue is Trump threatening her and getting away with it. This didn't come about out of the wild blue yonder. Trump should be prosecuted for persecuting and prosecuting Liz for things she did in the scope of her job, but the government has not shown that it will do that.

She's not even in Biden's party. She's about as conservative as they come. Biden and the Democrats would be against at least 75% of her actions if she were president. That's not why they are protecting her, it is an act meant to protect Democracy. Would you rather she be in jail over bogus charges? That is just as bad of a precedent, and would be set during the next four years. That is the harm they are trying to prevent. Long term wide ranging pardons are not good. Neither is him going after her for something he doesn't think she is protected from, regardless of the fact that it wouldn't have been prosecutable 10 years ago.

You are not seeing consequences for both sides of the situation. They are both dangerous, and not taking a dangerous action only makes the other dangerous action possible. There is no way that precedents aren't set. Letting her go to jail is a precedent. I guarantee you Trump would pardon as many friends, relatives, party members, and loyalists as he saw fit at the end of this term regardless of Bidens pardons. Biden didn't give him permission, he already had it. Otherwise, Roger Stone would be in jail. He will use it as justification, but if Biden hadn't already set the precedent, he would have. He's the king of bad precedents.

 

[lawpoke87]

You don't think they had a green light before these pardons. That's why they were pardoned. I guarantee you Liz Cheney was free game if this pardon hadn't been issued. The issue is Trump threatening her and getting away with it. This didn't come about out of the wild blue yonder. Trump should be prosecuted for persecuting and prosecuting Liz for things she did in the scope of her job, but the government has not shown that it will do that.

She's not even in Biden's party. She's about as conservative as they come. Biden and the Democrats would be against at least 75% of her actions if she were president. That's not why they are protecting her, it is an act meant to protect Democracy. Would you rather she be in jail over bogus charges? That is just as bad of a precedent, and would be set during the four years. That is the harm they are trying to prevent. Long term wide ranging pardons are not good. Neither is him going after her for something he doesn't think she is protected from, regardless of the fact that it wouldn't have been prosecutable 10 years ago.

You are not seeing consequences for both sides of the situation. They are both dangerous, and not taking a dangerous action only makes the other dangerous action possible. There is no way that precedents aren't set. Letting her go to jail is a precedent. I guarantee you Trump would pardon as many friends, relatives, party members, and loyalists as he saw fit at the end of this term regardless of Bidens pardons. Biden didn't give him permission, he already had it. Otherwise, Roger Stone would be in jail. He will use it as justification, but if Biden hadn't already set the precedent, he would have. He's the king of bad precedents.

Did you miss the part where I said I supported the Liz pardon? I didn’t support giving her a blanket pardon for acts not related to her civil service.

If Trump gave numerous preemptive blanket pardons during his first term I stand corrected. I had thought he declined to give them.

Again….those who threw a fit over the prospect of the Supreme Court given presidential immunity for acts outside the scope of the office should be outraged by these pardons as they are broad, cover acts outside the scope of civil service, lengthy in duration and numerous. To my knowledge they are unprecedented in scope. Again….if I’m wrong here then please correct me.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Did you miss the part where I said I supported the Liz pardon? I didn’t support giving her a blanket pardon for acts not related to her civil service.

If Trump gave numerous preemptive blanket pardons during his first term I stand corrected. I had thought he declined to give them.

Again….those who threw a fit over the prospect of the Supreme Court given presidential immunity for acts outside the scope of the office should be outraged by these pardons as they are broad, cover acts outside the scope of civil service, lengthy in duration and numerous. To my knowledge they are unprecedented in scope. Again….if I’m wrong here then please correct me.

That's what I said before, if you don't give a blanket pardon, Trump will try as hard as he can to find something outside the narrow pardon to nail her on. Doesn't matter to him whether it's illegal or not, it only matters whether he can get enough people in the right positions to support him and get her convicted. If he felt he could use his influence to get them to convict her on a state charge he would probably do that. Just like he tried to influence the election with his call to Raffensperger. If he felt he could get her convicted that way, he would likely try. He won't stop unless it damages him or falls flat on it's face and makes him look a fool.

 

[lawpoke87]

That's what I said before, if you don't give a blanket pardon, Trump will try as hard as he can to find something outside the narrow pardon to nail her on. Doesn't matter to him whether it's illegal or not, it only matters whether he can get enough people in the right positions to support him and get her convicted. If he felt he could use his influence to get them to convict her on a state charge he would probably do that. Just like he tried to influence the election with his call to Raffensperger. If he felt he could get her convicted that way, he would likely try. He won't stop unless it damages him or falls flat on it's face and makes him look a fool.

The Dems tried this with him and look where it got them. I agree in that he took nothing from the last few years of law fare other than being pissed off and wanting to return the favor. The pardon obviously won’t protect her from state charges should they find them.

Like I said, the Liz pardon really doesn’t bother me. The others are just a horrible precedent which we all will regret going forward

 

[astonmartin708]

The Dems tried this with him and look where it got them. I agree in that he took nothing from the last few years of law fare other than being pissed off and wanting to return the favor. The pardon obviously won’t protect her from state charges should they find them.

Like I said, the Liz pardon really doesn’t bother me. The others are just a horrible precedent which we all will regret going forward

The pardon of people who probably didn’t do anything in the first place doesn’t bother me at all. The pardon of people who should have been hanged as traitors to to the republic should really bother you,

 

[rusty-c]

George Washington would have probably publicly hung 5 or 10 of them and granted clemency to the rest.

That's probably the appropriate action and number that should have faced actual prosecution and incarceration. Some without a doubt are guilty of some bad sh!t, but the unfortunate overreach and prosecution/persecution of so many others likely warrants a significant number of pardons. Delusional, bat sh!t crazy, or stupid generally aren't criminal offenses... Reinstating public hangings certainly would be a deterrent for many folks contemplating crossing the line of acceptability.