TU’s new AD must be a dynamic fundraiser

[Tulsafanzz]

The last few weeks we have seen several good TU football and basketball players take the NIL $ from other schools & leave. During these same few weeks, TU has not signed anyone to replace these good players. This lets me know TU is not competitive in NIL funds today.

If the TU administration doesn’t respond to their football & basketball rosters being purchased one player at a time, I have lost hope for TU’s athletic future. They need to be as angry about this as the fans are.

TU needs to start by hiring a new athletic director who is very skilled and very focused on fundraising. Without a competitive NIL budget, every spring we will see TU’s best football & basketball players leaving. That’s unsustainable for winning football or basketball.

 

[aTUfan]

It will always be Skelly Stadium to me!

Yes!!!!

 

[HuffyCane]

As much as most of us don’t like it, the reality is NIL is here to stay. NIL is a huge part of athletic success. TU just lost its top men’s & top women’s basketball player. TU must hire a dynamic fundraiser as their new athletic director.

TU has a small alumni base, but is the best sports entertainment option in a metro area of over 1 million people. TU must find a way to attract new fans and donors that are not alumni. We need a dynamic fundraiser to connect with the Tulsa area business community.

If we are to have athletic success in today’s NIL world we must truly become Tulsa’s team. That starts with hiring a new AD that has the personality and energy to lead that drive.er th

I disagree.

I think the legal landscape will be more firm over the next two years making NIL largely irrelevant.

While the debate over NIL has been front and center, that has really just been a ploy by labor leaders and labor/trial lawyers to force concessions on wages for participation as part of an overall strategy of finding college football liable for antitrust violations.

Without going into a diatribe that some of you hate, what you are seeing trickle out is a multi stage, multi decade legal strategy.

One of the little discussed nuances of anti-trust law is that you are able to recover triple damages for wage fixing violations. There is no limit as far back as that can go. The labor unions, and their lawyers, have been trying to get a hold of that kind of $50 billion dollar payout for about 20 years. Basically, threatening the NCAA that they are liable not just for not paying the players this season, but every season, going back to the creation of television and even radio. Times three. It could take millions and years for experts to determine just how much that number is, and they’ve been trying for awhile.

The NIL thing was always a way to sympathetically phrase the problem to the public and get the system evolving towards a wage model. Once there, strategically filed law suits, one of which is pending settlement, would memorialize what a fair wage scale based on gross revenues would be, if there was actually a single body to collectively bargain with, which there likely never will be. Then the guys trying to get a settlement that would make tobacco lawyers blush can go after all the past money. TU’s liability could be considerable.

So the lawyers knowledgeable on these issues, lawyers who have never lost a case, and have been doing sports law since their clients Curt Flood, Freeman McNeil, Etc were playing say it’s 10% of gross media rights. We are talking guys who are in Michael Jordan’s speed dial. Guys David Stern called the most dangerous men in America.

So in TU’s case, let’s say media revenue stays at $7 million. And let’s say Congress or the President steps in and says the women get an equal share. That’s $7 million divided by 530 roughly, Or approximately $13,000 a player. Not much more than what we are paying them now in Alston funds and none of it erodes the donor base.

Now that will stink for TU because it will mean that the pay will always be lower than the SEC. And we likely won’t be in the top classification anymore. But it also means the new AD probably shouldn’t run out and raise $10 million to give to our basketball team when that money could be spent on appropriately sized and budgeted facilities we have needed for twenty years.

 

[seniorgolfer]

I disagree.

I think the legal landscape will be more firm over the next two years making NIL largely
irrelevant.

NIL has obviously opened the door for young athletes to make more money than they have
ever seen before, and most of the legal minds and people of influence all seem to be on the
side of NIL being even more open with even less control....And of course, we have to include
all of the "potential agents" that do so much of the illegal contacts with players that have not
agreed to enter the portal, somet6imes on the request of specific programs....

The NCAA, for several reasons, lost their taw some time ago....They fear legal liability if they
try to limit NIL to the extent that it would be a restraint of trade issue, and they also fear that
the "top 60" might bolt and go off on their own if they are constrained too much....

I'm afraid that other than minute rules changes, NIL will be with us somewhat longer than
two years....Many say that we can"t sustain any sense of fairness if we continue as we are...I
would be in that voting bloc myself, but the legal constraints are going to pose large barriers to
any "reasonable" solutions....

 

[HuffyCane]

NIL has obviously opened the door for young athletes to make more money than they have
ever seen before, and most of the legal minds and people of influence all seem to be on the
side of NIL being even more open with even less control....And of course, we have to include
all of the "potential agents" that do so much of the illegal contacts with players that have not
agreed to enter the portal, somet6imes on the request of specific programs....

The NCAA, for several reasons, lost their taw some time ago....They fear legal liability if they
try to limit NIL to the extent that it would be a restraint of trade issue, and they also fear that
the "top 60" might bolt and go off on their own if they are constrained too much....

I'm afraid that other than minute rules changes, that NIL will be with us somewhat longer than
two years....Many say that we can"t sustain any sense of fairness if we continue as we are...I5)36
would be in that voting bloc myself, but the legal constraints are going to pose large barriers to
any "reasonable" solutions....

NIL in its present form is a euphamism for wages currently. Once they have a collective wage, they will still have the ability to negotiate their own approved NIL just like any other pro player. Much like minor league baseball players not named Michael Jordan, that value is next to nil. Pun intended. NIL will be around. It won’t move the needle if some of the current litigation is settled favorably to the players suing

 

[goldenhurricane2]

. And we likely won’t be in the top classification anymore.

then why even bother? If we struggle with relevance playing at the top level, then we may as well close the door and turn off the light if we have to move down to FCS+ (or whatever the hell they’ll call it).

One of the big draws of TU for me (outside of the obvious items) was that TU had D1 sports and played high level football. There are many of my fellow alums who feel the same way. Taking that away could cause some pretty big consequences in regard to support for the university.

If there’s a 32-40 team beak off at the top, then fine - let them go be NFL lite, that still holds most of college football intact, but if the whole “p4” goes and the “g5” get relegated, then eff it. It was fun while it lasted.

This sh!t pisses me off so much.

 

[TULSARISING]

then why even bother? If we struggle with relevance playing at the top level, then we may as well close the door and turn off the light if we have to move down to FCS+ (or whatever the hell they’ll call it).

One of the big draws of TU for me (outside of the obvious items) was that TU had D1 sports and played high level football. There are many of my fellow alums who feel the same way. Taking that away could cause some pretty big consequences in regard to support for the university.

If there’s a 32-40 team beak off at the top, then fine - let them go be NFL lite, that still holds most of college football intact, but if the whole “p4” goes and the “g5” get relegated, then eff it. It was fun while it lasted.

This sh!t pisses me off so much.

I think the SEC and the Big 10 will eventually be the only 2 “ power conferences “ left. I think some of the big 12 and acc will get sucked up into those 2 conferences and the the rest will be in our division. If TU ever becomes irrelevant, I’ll just quit watching sports and just go on hunting and fishing trips 😂

 

[HuffyCane]

then why even bother? If we struggle with relevance playing at the top level, then we may as well close the door and turn off the light if we have to move down to FCS+ (or whatever the hell they’ll call it).

One of the big draws of TU for me (outside of the obvious items) was that TU had D1 sports and played high level football. There are many of my fellow alums who feel the same way. Taking that away could cause some pretty big consequences in regard to support for the university.

If there’s a 32-40 team beak off at the top, then fine - let them go be NFL lite, that still holds most of college football intact, but if the whole “p4” goes and the “g5” get relegated, then eff it. It was fun while it lasted.

This sh!t pisses me off so much.

It won’t really change alumni support for the university. I think it will dramatically change who is interested in attending the school. And the academic quality of who we can attract.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

It won’t really change alumni support for the university. I think it will dramatically change who is interested in attending the school. And the academic quality of who we can attract.

It just sucks man. I hate this. And it seems like there’s absolutely nothing we can do at this point but sit back and watch a century’s worth of top level athletics crumble in front of us.

 

[HuffyCane]

It just sucks man. I hate this. And it seems like there’s absolutely nothing we can do at this point but sit back and watch a century’s worth of top level athletics crumble in front of us.

Ask a Millwall fan what they think of the EPL.

 

[Tulsafanzz]

I disagree.

I think the legal landscape will be more firm over the next two years making NIL largely irrelevant.

While the debate over NIL has been front and center, that has really just been a ploy by labor leaders and labor/trial lawyers to force concessions on wages for participation as part of an overall strategy of finding college football liable for antitrust violations.

Without going into a diatribe that some of you hate, what you are seeing trickle out is a multi stage, multi decade legal strategy.

One of the little discussed nuances of anti-trust law is that you are able to recover triple damages for wage fixing violations. There is no limit as far back as that can go. The labor unions, and their lawyers, have been trying to get a hold of that kind of $50 billion dollar payout for about 20 years. Basically, threatening the NCAA that they are liable not just for not paying the players this season, but every season, going back to the creation of television and even radio. Times three. It could take millions and years for experts to determine just how much that number is, and they’ve been trying for awhile.

The NIL thing was always a way to sympathetically phrase the problem to the public and get the system evolving towards a wage model. Once there, strategically filed law suits, one of which is pending settlement, would memorialize what a fair wage scale based on gross revenues would be, if there was actually a single body to collectively bargain with, which there likely never will be. Then the guys trying to get a settlement that would make tobacco lawyers blush can go after all the past money. TU’s liability could be considerable.

So the lawyers knowledgeable on these issues, lawyers who have never lost a case, and have been doing sports law since their clients Curt Flood, Freeman McNeil, Etc were playing say it’s 10% of gross media rights. We are talking guys who are in Michael Jordan’s speed dial. Guys David Stern called the most dangerous men in America.

So in TU’s case, let’s say media revenue stays at $7 million. And let’s say Congress or the President steps in and says the women get an equal share. That’s $7 million divided by 530 roughly, Or approximately $13,000 a player. Not much more than what we are paying them now in Alston funds and none of it erodes the donor base.

Now that will stink for TU because it will mean that the pay will always be lower than the SEC. And we likely won’t be in the top classification anymore. But it also means the new AD probably shouldn’t run out and raise $10 million to give to our basketball team when that money could be spent on appropriately sized and budgeted facilities we have needed for twenty years.

I hope you are not speaking for TU. Your wait & see approach isn’t working at all & I doubt it will work for many years to come.

You are advocating for TU to fight using “Queensbury rules “, while Memphis, SMU, & even schools like UAB understand we are in a street fight.

 

[HuffyCane]

More trickling out from what I told you above about how schools want NIL to come in house and substantially reduced, if not ended, in exchange for a compensation structure that isn’t wages or an employment relationship.

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ESPN.COM:
“Berman said the settlement includes a "mechanism" that he believes will make it easier for schools to rein in the marketplace for third-party NIL deals. He declined to provide any further details. Several athletic directors told ESPN this week that they were optimistic but uncertain about whether the settlement would give them enough legal room to regain control.”

 

[aTUfan]

all ncaa athletes should be receive the same nil amount and it is income so it is taxable

 

[astonmartin708]

I just think the NCAA needs to take up suit against the pro leagues. The pro leagues should not require a partial college completion (or minimum years out of HS) as a minimum standard for drafts…. Many fewer people were complaining about the basketball stars or NCAA basketball video games when stars like Lebron and Kobe could go straight from HS to the league.

Someone could probably trace a line back to the one and done rule killing Tulsa athletics.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

The last few weeks we have seen several good TU football and basketball players take the NIL $ from other schools & leave. During these same few weeks, TU has not signed anyone to replace these good players. This lets me know TU is not competitive in NIL funds today.

If the TU administration doesn’t respond to their football & basketball rosters being purchased one player at a time, I have lost hope for TU’s athletic future. They need to be as angry about this as the fans are.

TU needs to start by hiring a new athletic director who is very skilled and very focused on fundraising. Without a competitive NIL budget, every spring we will see TU’s best football & basketball players leaving. That’s unsustainable for winning football or basketball.

Did you donate to help? Or are you just bitching?

 

[Tulsafanzz]

Did you donate to help? Or are you just bitching?

Yes & Yes

 

[astonmartin708]

I love how anyone expressing any opinion about the direction of the program has now become a pissing contest about donations. It's not enough anymore to watch the games, buy season tickets, etc....

Now you have to play into the NIL shennanigans which are ruining the sport to be allowed an opinion. Gotta love it!

It would be like someone calling your loyalty into question for not having received a large enough Captain Cane tramp stamp.

 

[HuffyCane]

all ncaa athletes should be receive the same nil amount and it is income so it is taxable

NIL is taxable. Thats what this is about. The players, now that they are paid, want a lower tax rate and additional protections by being considered employees.

 

[HuffyCane]

I love how anyone expressing any opinion about the direction of the program has now become a pissing contest about donations. It's not enough anymore to watch the games, buy season tickets, etc....

Now you have to play into the NIL shennanigans which are ruining the sport to be allowed an opinion. Gotta love it!

It would be like someone calling your loyalty into question for not having received a large enough Captain Cane tramp stamp.

I disagree with how you say it, but your substance is well placed. It’s ridiculous for TU or any other school to be asking people making $50,000 a year or less to contribute to multi million dollar player payrolls when the entity making the profit off the broadcast has publicly stated they have to make up for lower than expected profits from the NFL by reducing college football payouts. If anything killed college sports, it’s the NFL, it’s greed, and its refusal to concede even one dollar of market share.

You aren’t less of a fan by refusing to contribute to Hurricane Impact. BTW, when I see a publicly posted accounting of donations with actual amounts paid to players, I’ll consider doing that. Until then I’ll continue to assume 50% or more of any donation I make is being held back for administration costs, salaries/stipends of NIL administrators, or future payments to unspecified players in unknown sports. The few states that have the power to look into how some of these NIL entities are operating is not very reassuring. I don’t give a lot, but I trust the school to get a good return on what I can give.

Is Tulsa football worth $20 million to the networks? I’m not sure, but that’s the payroll for Alabama under the projected structure next year. And it’s twice their NIL payroll for last year, roughly. So either you structure the league so they payouts are even and end this Blue and Gold sausage band parent concession stand style nickel and dime donation scheme set up with NIL being paid by fans or you contract the league.

My sense is contraction is coming, whether Vanderbilt can write a check or not.

 

[quincy101]

I think the legal landscape will be more firm over the next two years making NIL largely irrelevant.

One fervently hopes Huffy is right, but here's the next elephant trunk under the tent flap. That Ivy League school that has a unionized hoops team is just the beginning. Some on here think unionization of college athletes is needed. Maybe so. But I believe that if NIL doesn't finish off college athletics completely, unions eventually will.

 

[HuffyCane]

One fervently hopes Huffy is right, but here's the next elephant trunk under the tent flap. That Ivy League school that has a unionized hoops team is just the beginning. Some on here think unionization of college athletes is needed. Maybe so. But I believe that if NIL doesn't finish off college athletics completely, unions eventually will.

There are states that prohibit public employees from being unionized. It’s unlikely a real union will happen for college athletes for this reason. If this settlement goes through, it essentially creates a collective bargaining unit without creating a union or designating the players as employees. Because that might conflict with some state’s public union laws, so commentators think this settlement might not go through.

 

[TU_BLA]

I just think the NCAA needs to take up suit against the pro leagues. The pro leagues should not require a partial college completion (or minimum years out of HS) as a minimum standard for drafts…. Many fewer people were complaining about the basketball stars or NCAA basketball video games when stars like Lebron and Kobe could go straight from HS to the league.

Someone could probably trace a line back to the one and done rule killing Tulsa athletics.

This suit has already been settled. Remember Maurice Clarett? Declared for the NFL draft after 1 yr at Ohio State. Sued the NFL and lost because the judge said the NFL, like any employer can set minimum experience and age standards, which they set at 3 years post high school. And because he declared for the draft and hired an agent, he wasn't eligible to return to Ohio State (also, the OSU suspended him for a variety of dumb things he did).

The NBA's rule was a direct appeasement to the NCAA basketball powers. It actually made things worse for NCAA schools IMO.

 

[t-townpod]

Jaden Rashada lawsuit may be interesting.

 

[I.I.]

Looks like the NCAA has now ruled KES and Haywood to be given another year at TU for being ruled ineligible in 2019-2020.

 

[seniorgolfer]

Looks like the NCAA has now ruled KES and Haywood to be given another year at TU for being
ruled ineligible in 2019-2020.

What are they now? 27 or 28? With very rare exceptions they weren't too much help before....I
can't expect that will happen....Shouldn't the SSA be involved?

 

[I.I.]

What are they now? 27 or 28? With vary rare exceptions they weren't too much help before....I
can't expect that will happen....Shouldn't the SSA be involved?

There are some schools who might try and get players back for that one year but few are in shape and game ready. Maybe a few Euro pros might make more in the USA with NIL.
But our recruiting of a “ready “ big has just about hit the finish line. I’m sure Konkol will not waste a scholarship on a “ project like Keita” this time.

 

[TU 1978]

What are they now? 27 or 28? With vary rare exceptions they weren't too much help before....I
can't expect that will happen....Shouldn't the SSA be involved?

They’re holding out for AARP NIL money.

 

[seniorgolfer]

But our recruiting of a “ready “ big has just about hit the finish line. I’m sure Konkol will not
waste a scholarship on a “ project like Keita” this time.

Yes....I guess time has mostly ran out...We are down to the end for the third year in a row
looking for that defensive 5, and have yet to find one..

One would serve particularly well this season....Although our prospects at guard look
very encouraging, it will really be difficult to replace the 30+ points and 10 or so rebounds
that Cobe and Haggerty gave us at guard last season, plus their ability to defend and steal
the ball...

Our front court loses Carlous Williams and gains Justin Amadi...A probable upgrade, but
barring a significant addition, this front court looks very much like last season...Limited on
both ends of the court with Little depth...

I mentioned it sometime ago, but a legendary sports writer of some years ago in the Dallas
area, Blackie Sherrod, said of the then current Texas U BB coach...."His teams neither
DEFEND nor OFFEND the post"..."Ouch!" That comes too close for comfort to describing
our situation...

 

[I.I.]

Yes....I guess time has mostly ran out...We are down to the end for the third year in a row
looking for that defensive 5, and have yet to find one..

One would serve particularly well this season....Although our prospects at guard look
very encouraging, it will really be difficult to replace the 30+ points and 10 or so rebounds
that Cobe and Haggerty gave us at guard last season, plus their ability to defend and steal
the ball...

Our front court loses Carlous Williams and gains Justin Amadi...A probable upgrade, but
barring a significant addition, this front court looks very much like last season...Limited on
both ends of the court with Little depth...

I mentioned it sometime ago, but a legendary sports writer of some years ago in the Dallas
area, Blackie Sherrod, said of the then current Texas U BB coach...."His teams neither
DEFEND nor OFFEND the post"..."Ouch!" That comes too close for comfort to describing
our situation...

Our best hope is amazing improvement in Reed and Garcia. It could happen.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I can't wait for practice and the season to get here. That way all this speculation about us being as bad as last year can end.