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"The richest man in the world is trying to convince the American people that they all deserve less.

In an interview with Fox News on Monday, Elon Musk spread debunked lies about Social Security and Medicare to justify eliminating them.

...Trump has said he won’t touch Social Security or Medicare, but Musk’s entitlement math makes it clear that both those programs, as well as Medicaid, are on the chopping block."

I agree that Social Security has to be 'fixed', but doing it to make sure the top 0.5% get their trillion dollar tax breaks is not the way to do it. And Musk is absolutely the wrong person to fix it.
 
"The richest man in the world is trying to convince the American people that they all deserve less.

In an interview with Fox News on Monday, Elon Musk spread debunked lies about Social Security and Medicare to justify eliminating them.

...Trump has said he won’t touch Social Security or Medicare, but Musk’s entitlement math makes it clear that both those programs, as well as Medicaid, are on the chopping block."

I agree that Social Security has to be 'fixed', but doing it to make sure the top 0.5% get their trillion dollar tax breaks is not the way to do it. And Musk is absolutely the wrong person to fix it.
We’re either going to have to lower payments, raise retirement age or increase the SS tax. Of course we’ve known this for years and no one has the courage to tackle the issue. Not saying Musk is the right person but I do give him credit for finally having the fortitude to bring forth proposals.

Same with our deficit. We all know where this path heads. A world where we won’t be able to pay for basic social safety nets for our most vulnerable. Not sure what the solution is but I’m sure glad we now have a discussion.
 
We’re either going to have to lower payments, raise retirement age or increase the SS tax. Of course we’ve known this for years and no one has the courage to tackle the issue. Not saying Musk is the right person but I do give him credit for finally having the fortitude to bring forth proposals.

Same with our deficit. We all know where this path heads. A world where we won’t be able to pay for basic social safety nets for our most vulnerable. Not sure what the solution is but I’m sure glad we now have a discussion.
Baby boomers got theirs now it’s time for them to screw the rest of us over one last time?

Sounds about right.
 
Baby boomers got theirs now it’s time for them to screw the rest of us over one last time?

Sounds about right.
You are so full of :crap: to make such a general statement.
I've been paying into Soc Sec for 52 years. Haven't been paid one penny yet from Soc Sec.
I haven't and won't be screwing anyone when I begin Soc Sec.
 
The only people screwing us are the politicians who decided to throw social security receipts into the general fund and then spend the same so they could conceal the deficits they were running. They’ve known this day was coming for decades and chose to do nothing
 
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You are so full of :crap: to make such a general statement.
I've been paying into Soc Sec for 52 years. Haven't been paid one penny yet from Soc Sec.
I haven't and won't be screwing anyone when I begin Soc Sec.
Just because you haven’t doesn’t mean others haven’t.

You must be on the very tail end of the Baby Boomer generation.
 
Just because you haven’t doesn’t mean others haven’t.

You must be on the very tail end of the Baby Boomer generation.
She's a child of a baby boomer, and she's not even anywhere near the oldest. You can be in your late 50's and be a child of a baby boomer.

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Just because you haven’t doesn’t mean others haven’t.

You must be on the very tail end of the Baby Boomer generation.

Wow, you must be smarter than I thought you were, to have figured those two things out.
 
Privatize. let each person accumulate his retirement using his current fica deduction to fund his own retirement account, and keep
it away from politicians It would be inherentable
 
Privatize. let each person accumulate his retirement using his current fica deduction to fund his own retirement account, and keep
it away from politicians It would be inherentable
inherent: Existing as a characteristic or attribute of their nature that is intrinsic or essential.

Inheritable is the word you were searching for.
 
Privatize. let each person accumulate his retirement using his current fica deduction to fund his own retirement account, and keep
it away from politicians It would be inherentable
Sounds like a great plan from Herbert Hoover.
 
These men have no honor to pledge.

13 children with a bunch of baby mamas…. Sleeping with porn stars… friendships with child rapists… Civil liability for rape allegations… felony convictions… betraying their allies… buddying up to dictators…

Maybe you should be reciting a pirate’s pledge…. Though even they had a poor opinion of rape sometimes:

IX. If at any time you meet with a prudent Woman, that Man that offers to meddle with her, without her Consent, shall suffer present Death.
And here i was expecting an indictment of the founders as entitled womanizing white men who owned and raped slaves, took up arms against their sovereign, and were just generally men without honor.
 
Stupid is as stupid does. DOGE has no interest in attacking waste and fraud, just creating a show.

Consider these numbers from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which show exactly where each $100 you pay in federal taxes actually goes:

$24 to health insurance programs
$21 to Social Security
$13 to defense
$13 to servicing our debt
$8 to benefits for veterans and federal retirees
$7 to economic security programs
$5 to education
$2 to transportation
$1 to natural resources and agriculture
$1 to science and medical research
$1 to law enforcement
$1 to international programs

Since the beginning of the Trump administration, DOGE’s efforts have focused almost exclusively on areas that add up to roughly two dollars and change — and, in many cases, they haven’t actually addressed perpetual spending but simply laid off workers. Meanwhile the House MAGAs want to add $6B to Defense spending over the next six months.
 
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Hey, DOGE! Here is a worthy target for you. Analysis done and fraud identified: Medicare Advantage programs run by private insurance companies. No need to worry about reducing United Healthcare's and Aetna's profits and will save the taxpayers money, right?


What's weird is that the "Advantage Programs' deny more services than traditional medicare, yet they are paid a premium by the government for 'running' the program. The original argument is that Advantage would be LESS costly instead of MORE costly. But hey, United Healthcare and Aetna are big Trump donors and at least their investors are happy.

Any bets what Elon will do?
 
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Stupid is as stupid does. DOGE has no interest in attacking waste and fraud, just creating a show.

Consider these numbers from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which show exactly where each $100 you pay in federal taxes actually goes:

$24 to health insurance programs
$21 to Social Security
$13 to defense
$13 to servicing our debt
$8 to benefits for veterans and federal retirees
$7 to economic security programs
$5 to education
$2 to transportation
$1 to natural resources and agriculture
$1 to science and medical research
$1 to law enforcement
$1 to international programs

Since the beginning of the Trump administration, DOGE’s efforts have focused almost exclusively on areas that add up to roughly two dollars and change — and, in many cases, they haven’t actually addressed perpetual spending but simply laid off workers. Meanwhile the House MAGAs want to add $6B to Defense spending over the next six months.
It hasn’t even been 60 days. Might give it 6 months before you have an opinion on whether we’re actually cutting spending.
 
This is why you partisans better hope DOGE works. The financial cliff where we’re unable to pay full entitlements is quickly approaching.

 
This is why you partisans better hope DOGE works. The financial cliff where we’re unable to pay full entitlements is quickly approaching.

Accelerated by high interest rates on previous spending levels, not so much increasing spending. We need to get inflation under control… which Tarriffs won’t help.
 
Accelerated by high interest rates on previous spending levels, not so much increasing spending. We need to get inflation under control… which Tarriffs won’t help.
Previous spending levels? Our deficit in 2024 was $1.8T. Our projected deficit in 2025 in $1.9T.

You can do the math going forward
 
Finally a Doge target worth going after. The DOD. But saving $50B over 5 years is ridiculously small given the size of the overspending. Let's see if they actually make some progress. Congress, not the judicial system, will be a major hurdle.

Defense contractors thrive on overpriced, overcomplicated systems. Cutting ‘gold-plated’ weapons programs could save taxpayers billions.​


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth recently partnered with the DOGE to cut 8% from the Pentagon’s budget — roughly $50 billion annually — over the next five years.
Reducing military spending will require more than just cutting obvious waste, fraud, and abuse.
The Department of Defense is overdue for a DOGE-style overhaul. Defense contractors profit from no-bid contracts and inflate costs by “gold-plating” weapons systems with unnecessary features. The procurement system remains so outdated that it still relies on fax machines.
One major step would be canceling the Constellation-class frigate. The Pentagon placed its first order for these warships in 2020, aiming for a quick and cost-effective solution to fill a gap in the Navy’s capabilities. The ships were supposed to be lightly modified versions of the European Fregata Europea Multi-Missione, with the first expected to enter service in 2026.
Excessive modifications to the European design have drastically increased the Constellation’s weight and cost, however, erasing the efficiency gains that justified the project. The Wisconsin shipyard responsible for production now estimates that the first frigate won’t be ready until at least 2029.
The Navy plans to purchase at least 20 Constellation frigates, each costing over $1 billion. Canceling the order and relying on the Navy’s existing fleet of capable destroyers could save more than $20 billion immediately.
The F-35 is another prime target for budget cuts. Lockheed Martin’s $1.7 trillion fighter jet is the most expensive defense program in world history, yet barely half of all F-35s are combat ready or mission capable. After two decades of development, the aircraft remains riddled with issues, forcing Lockheed to halt deliveries to the Air Force for a year in 2023.
The design itself is flawed. The F-35 cannot “supercruise” (sustain supersonic speeds without afterburners), has limited range, carries a small payload, and lacks the maneuverability of many peer aircraft in dogfights. Just this month, the U.S. canceled an F-35 demonstration at the Aero India airshow after Russia’s Su-57 impressed the crowd. Scrapping the demonstration at the last minute sent an embarrassing message: No matter how much money is poured into the F-35, it still falls short.
If the U.S. military is serious about maintaining air superiority, it should abandon the F-35 and focus on the Next-Generation Air Dominance and Collaborative Combat Aircraft programs.
President Trump has criticized the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier, making it a prime target for the DOGE budget hawks. At the swearing-in of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, Trump noted that the carrier, initially projected to cost $3 billion, has now ballooned to $17 billion. Technical failures — including unreliable electromagnetic catapults and malfunctioning weapon elevators — delayed full deployment for years.
 
Clinton/Gore did better than Doge and no one was outraged. But that took planning , working with Congress, and patience. It also allowed Clinton to pass on a budget surplus.

"In January 1996, the Clinton Administration reported that the count in the number of civilian executive branch federal employees excluding employees of the independent Postal Service had been reduced by almost 240,000 since the Administration took office in January 1993."

It's easy to just dismantle an organization if you don't care if it still works or not.
 
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This is why you partisans better hope DOGE works. The financial cliff where we’re unable to pay full entitlements is quickly approaching.

Hoping that DOGE approach will work is not a plan. It's just window dressing to justify a $4T tax cut for those who don't need it. Your chart is actually good news, as it doesn't even show the results the affects of additional tax cuts and the damage to the US and world economies. With the US becoming a banana republic, how long will the US$ continue as a reserve currency?

One argument out there is that if the US$ goes down, Trump will use tariffs to bully countries into buying our debt even if they don't want to. Who knows? Hard to make sense of what is going on.
 
Hoping that DOGE approach will work is not a plan. It's just window dressing to justify a $4T tax cut for those who don't need it. Your chart is actually good news, as it doesn't even show the results the affects of additional tax cuts and the damage to the US and world economies. With the US becoming a banana republic, how long will the US$ continue as a reserve currency?

One argument out there is that if the US$ goes down, Trump will use tariffs to bully countries into buying our debt even if they don't want to. Who knows? Hard to make sense of what is going on.
Are you getting back on the deficit criticism now your party no longer occupies the White House ?
 
We’re either going to have to lower payments, raise retirement age or increase the SS tax. Of course we’ve known this for years and no one has the courage to tackle the issue. Not saying Musk is the right person but I do give him credit for finally having the fortitude to bring forth proposals.

Same with our deficit. We all know where this path heads. A world where we won’t be able to pay for basic social safety nets for our most vulnerable. Not sure what the solution is but I’m sure glad we now have a discussion.
I dislike intensely most of what I see from this administration. But they are doing something.

But I cannot help but notice that the big Democratic reaction today is Cory Booker demonstrating he can talk and talk and talk. He is a hero of talking. Kind of feels tone deaf to me.
 
I dislike intensely most of what I see from this administration. But they are doing something.

But I cannot help but notice that the big Democratic reaction today is Cory Booker demonstrating he can talk and talk and talk. He is a hero of talking. Kind of feels tone deaf to me.
What would you prefer they do?
 
I dislike intensely most of what I see from this administration. But they are doing something.

But I cannot help but notice that the big Democratic reaction today is Cory Booker demonstrating he can talk and talk and talk. He is a hero of talking. Kind of feels tone deaf to me.
Booker is going on 24 straight hours and has yet to state a single proposal to address our deficit, social security, Medicare, etc. Just tone deaf
 
Booker is going on 24 straight hours and has yet to state a single proposal to address our deficit, social security, Medicare, etc. Just tone deaf
You know what’s tone deaf? Criticizing the guy who’s taking a stand while remaining completely silent about the guy who’s is crashing the economy, hamstringing the government for no tangible savings (while simultaneously adding to the deficit with tax cut spending), subverting acts of Congress and judicial rulings, putting incompetents into national security positions, breaking up century long alliances, and sucking up to dictators while employing literal fascists.

Talk about tone deaf. **** your deficit Ron Swanson.
 
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You know what’s tone deaf? Criticizing the guy who’s taking a stand while remaining completely silent about the guy who’s is crashing the economy, hamstringing the government for no tangible savings (while simultaneously adding to the deficit with tax cut spending), subverting acts of Congress and judicial rulings, putting incompetents into national security positions, breaking up century long alliances, and sucking up to dictators while employing literal fascists.

Talk about tone deaf. **** your deficit Ron Swanson.
Apologies. I didn’t mean to diminish Booker’s historic accomplishment. Dude spoke 24 hours straight without stating a single proposal or idea to solve our nations problems. Something which has never been done. Even by a politician. Hopefully he had his cronies holding up silly little signs during this once in a lifetime event.

Why does the Democratic Party have record low approval ratings….see Corey Booker. Zero ideas
 
Apologies. I didn’t mean to diminish Booker’s historic accomplishment. Dude spoke 24 hours straight without stating a single proposal or idea to solve our nations problems. Something which has never been done. Even by a politician. Hopefully he had his cronies holding up silly little signs during this once in a lifetime event.

Why does the Democratic Party have record low approval ratings….see Corey Booker. Zero ideas
Not advocating ideas is superior to advocating terrible ideas.

Also, the purpose of his speech wasn’t to address your deficit phobia.
 
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Not advocating ideas is superior to advocating terrible ideas.
No political party has ever succeeded by solely being the party of “no”. The lack of ideas and leadership currently from the Democratic Party is something I’ve never witnessed. 24 straight hours and not a single idea. Yet they wonder why their approval ratings are in the toilet. There is no better time to advocate solutions than when your opponent has terrible ideas. Yet the Dems to date have provided nothing but paper signs and dribble. Are they so void of ideas they can’t come up with a single proposal during a 24 hour speech? They have an opportunity here to differentiate themselves from some rather extreme policies. They are failing and their numbers show as much
 
No political party has ever succeeded by solely being the party of “no”. The lack of ideas and leadership currently from the Democratic Party is something I’ve never witnessed. 24 straight hours and not a single idea. Yet they wonder why their approval ratings are in the toilet. There is no better time to advocate solutions than when your opponent has terrible ideas. Yet the Dems to date have provided nothing but paper signs and dribble. Are they so void of ideas they can’t come up with a single proposal during a 24 hour speech? They have an opportunity here to differentiate themselves from some rather extreme policies. They are failing and their numbers show as much
He came up with ideas… just not ideas related to the topics you care about.

Also, it’s far better than Storm Thurmond who just read from the phone book or the local DC statutes.

Not every speech needs to be about solutioning. Some are made about principals and philosophy, which is something America and the Republican Party in particular has seen corrupted these days.

The Dems favorability right now has almost nothing to do with their engagement on conversation or providing solutions for the deficit.
 
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They came up with ideas… just not ideas related to the topics you care about.

Also, it’s better than Storm Thurmond who just read from the phone book or the local DC statutes.
What new policies did Booker propose during his marathon to deal with the current issues affecting this country ?
 
The stunt left me cold at best and I disagree with 90 percent of how the administration is doing things.

Perhaps it will have a galvanizing effect on others? Time will tell.
 
Talking about Cory Booker is a distraction. After WW2 the US built the current world order, rebuilt many of the devastated economies around the world and became the world's superpower and dominant economy. It's that same system that Trump wants to destroy. We had a system largely built on trust, reciprocity, and negotiation. All things that Trump hates, doesn't trust, or can't do. HIs goal is a return to the post WW1 era with trariff wars, big power bullying, win/lose negotiations--the system that led to a depression and WW2. It only took 20 year from the end of WW1. It's been 80 years since the end of WW2, and USA became the richest, most envied country the world. Replacing that system with one based on hate, distrust, economic warfare, disillusioned allies, etc. will not end well. Hopefully it's not just Cory Booker who stands up, but the American people. At least there's some hope from the result in Wisconsin.
 
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Talking about Cory Booker is a distraction. After WW2 the US built the current world order, rebuilt many of the devastated economies around the world and became the world's superpower and dominant economy. It's that same system that Trump wants to destroy. We had a system largely built on trust, reciprocity, and negotiation. All things that Trump hates, doesn't trust, or can't do. HIs goal is a return to the post WW1 era with trariff wars, big power bullying, win/lose negotiations--the system that led to a depression and WW2. It only took 20 year from the end of WW1. It's been 80 years since the end of WW2, and USA became the richest, most envied country the world. Replacing that system with one based on hate, distrust, economic warfare, disillusioned allies, etc. will not end well. Hopefully it's not just Cory Booker who stands up, but the American people. At least there's some hope from the result in Wisconsin.
Cory Booker created the distraction if that’s what you want to call it. It was a publicity stunt with zero substance. To insinuate talking about it is somehow the problem is disingenuous not to mention highly partisan.

You never answered my question if you’re back on the deficit hawk train after being silent the past four years ?
 
Talking about Cory Booker is a distraction. After WW2 the US built the current world order, rebuilt many of the devastated economies around the world and became the world's superpower and dominant economy. It's that same system that Trump wants to destroy. We had a system largely built on trust, reciprocity, and negotiation. All things that Trump hates, doesn't trust, or can't do. HIs goal is a return to the post WW1 era with trariff wars, big power bullying, win/lose negotiations--the system that led to a depression and WW2. It only took 20 year from the end of WW1. It's been 80 years since the end of WW2, and USA became the richest, most envied country the world. Replacing that system with one based on hate, distrust, economic warfare, disillusioned allies, etc. will not end well. Hopefully it's not just Cory Booker who stands up, but the American people. At least there's some hope from the result in Wisconsin.
I agree wholeheartedly. It also greatly reduces our influence across the globe which can only be bad for us in today's interconnected society.
 
Cory Booker created the distraction if that’s what you want to call it. It was a publicity stunt with zero substance. To insinuate talking about it is somehow the problem is disingenuous not to mention highly partisan.

You never answered my question if you’re back on the deficit hawk train after being silent the past four years ?
Not going to mention your boy screwing over our economy today? Really?

Talk about highly partisan.

Let's hear you defend this 'concept of a plan' concocted by a guy who was in jail 12 months ago.
 
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