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We still gave them too much time to move stuff. Yes destroying the major underground facilities as well as killing some of their nuclear scientists will set them back a great deal. But it would have been nice to have done this a week ago, when they had not had as much opportunity to move so many fissionable materials.
Agree. However, Mossad seems to have incredible intelligence in Iran right now. I would be shocked if Mossad doesn’t know exactly where things went and are now. They seem to have high level spies everywhere
 
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Agree. However, Mossad seems to have incredible intelligence in Iran right now. I would be shocked if Mossad doesn’t know exactly where things went and are now. They seem to have high level spies everywhere
I wouldn't be too certain though. After they made those initial strikes letting them know how informed they were, I'm sure they started buttoning up free exchange of plans amongst high level officials.
 
You just posted a random video off Reddit allegedly from Iran trying to prove the current Islamic regime isn’t all that bad when it comes to its treatment of women. Which is counter to the findings of every human rights organization on earth. That is as left wing as one can get. Both using Reddit as a source and arguing against every human rights organization around. Hell….I would rather people get their news from MSNBC than that extreme left wing echo chamber found on Reddit.
Reddit has people from all sides, just like twitter used to. The things I posted did not come from political or typically left leaning threads.


The stuff you post however looks like verbatim the topic rankings on the fox news home page.

PS apparently Instagram is a better source? hahahaha
 
Agree. However, Mossad seems to have incredible intelligence in Iran right now. I would be shocked if Mossad doesn’t know exactly where things went and are now. They seem to have high level spies everywhere
Ever consider that there is a possibility (however small) that they could be wrong to some degree? Especially considering our intelligence differed substantially from theirs.

We've been through this before...

  • In 2002, the former head of Mossad, Efraim Halevy, stated that there were "clear indications" that Iraq had resumed its WMD efforts after the UN inspections ended in 1998. He also claimed Iraq had preserved elements of its chemical and biological weapons capabilities.
  • A 2004 parliamentary subcommittee report criticized Israeli intelligence agencies for overestimating Iraq's WMD programs.
  • Some believe Israeli intelligence agents were overly convinced of an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein due to a "one-dimensional perception" of him as solely driven to acquire WMD to attack Israel.
 
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We were always viewed as “in it” by the Iranians. Not sure dropping a couple of bombs on a mountain will change things other than hopefully eliminating Iran’s nuclear program or at least setting it back a decade plus. They chanted “Death to America” last month and will be chanting “Death to America” next month. Not sure how much has changed. I don’t see us having any more significant involvement other than a regime change push because…Israel doesn’t need us for anything other than taking out the nuclear site.

There are a lot of very happy middle eastern countries tonight. Congrats to them
Let's see what happens after.... because the Republican party never seems to consider that.
 
Reddit has people from all sides, just like twitter used to. The things I posted did not come from political or typically left leaning threads.


The stuff you post however looks like verbatim the topic rankings on the fox news home page.

PS apparently Instagram is a better source? hahahaha
Stop….Reddit is 90% extreme left leaning content. Why I’m not surprised you’re on there and using posts as sources here. There’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with being a leftist and practically every position of the left.

I posted the insta because of the explosion not as a source contradicting reports from Amnesty International and every other human rights group….don’t be stupid. You’re better than that
 
Ever consider that there is a possibility (however small) that they could be wrong to some degree? Especially considering our intelligence differed substantially from theirs.

We've been through this before...

  • In 2002, the former head of Mossad, Efraim Halevy, stated that there were "clear indications" that Iraq had resumed its WMD efforts after the UN inspections ended in 1998. He also claimed Iraq had preserved elements of its chemical and biological weapons capabilities.
  • A 2004 parliamentary subcommittee report criticized Israeli intelligence agencies for overestimating Iraq's WMD programs.
  • Some believe Israeli intelligence agents were overly convinced of an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein due to a "one-dimensional perception" of him as solely driven to acquire WMD to attack Israel.
Their intelligence had Iran two week away from a nuclear weapon while ours had less than a year. Not sure there’s a big difference there when it comes to a decision to act. The basic conclusion was the same…they were working toward a weapon less than a year away from the same. If the line is Iran and its proxies can’t have a weapon then action sooner than later seemed necessary.
 
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Let's see what happens after.... because the Republican party never seems to consider that.
With this I agree. Hoping for the best. I’ve been against every military action in the Middle East for the last 40 years except Kuwait (limited to Kuwait) and this. I’m very much stay out of that arena and quit being the world police This could go sideways but I believe keeping Iran non nuclear was worth the risk
 
Stop….Reddit is 90% extreme left leaning content. Why I’m not surprised you’re on there and using posts as sources here. There’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with being a leftist and practically every position of the left.

I posted the insta because of the explosion not as a source contradicting reports from Amnesty International and every other human rights group….don’t be stupid. You’re better than that
You stop. This comment is complete horse crap. Apparently you've not spent much time on reddit and you just sound like an asshole. 90% of the content on reddit is completely apolitical and anyone who actually used it would know that. I won't argue that there aren't left leaning subreddits (or even that there are more liberal users than conservatives by a fair number), but there are a number of very large right leaning subreddits. The major conservative subreddit has 1.3M subscribers who's members also participate many other spaced across the site.

Most of the largest communities there have absolutely nothing to do with news or politics. The largest communities are "Funny", "AskReddit" (Random Questions on all topics), "Gaming", "World News" (which does tend to skew liberal, but has its share of centrist posts as well as some right leaning, and I don't typically follow), "Today I Learned" (fun facts), "Music", "Aww" (Cute photos), "Movies", "Memes", "ShowerThoughts", "Science", "Jokes", "News", and "Space".

I do run into both left and right content on various communities there and tend to disagree with most of both of them.
 
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Their intelligence had Iran two week away from a nuclear weapon while ours had less than a year. Not sure there’s a big difference there when it comes to a decision to act. The basic conclusion was the same…they were working toward a weapon less than a year away from the same. If the line is Iran and its proxies can’t have a weapon then action sooner than later seemed necessary.
That's the same thing that led us into Iraq. Exact same thing. Precisely.

And the American public (mostly the conservative wing) is eating it up. They're like fish biting the same hook over and over (same can be said for trickle down economics)
 
I don't give a crap if you want call it far left, far right, centrist or whigish. Either way it is testimonial crap that has no standards, editors, fact checkers, or anything else that one should be using as a source. :buck:🦨🦨🦨
 
That's the same thing that led us into Iraq. Exact same thing. Precisely.

And the American public (mostly the conservative wing) is eating it up. They're like fish biting the same hook over and over (same can be said for trickle down economics)
None of us on this board know conclusively if Israel or the US intelligence is correct. However, there is a lot of smoke of Iran conducting unauthorized nuclear activities. Are you predicting Iran wasn’t working toward a nuclear weapon? While not Reddit, I assume Reuters is a sufficient source ?

 
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If you think Iraq & Iran are the same, then you have some problems. Despite a few rumors China didn't help build underground facilities for Iraq. There wasn't plan after plan monitoring Iraq's actions on nuclear activities for 55 years. Just after the Gulf War. That's just ludicrous to compare Iran and Iraq.
 
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He'll say anything to grasp at Iran not being a threat. That's about like saying North Korea, Russia, and China are not a threat. Biden in his prime would have probably done the same, in a similar situation. So would have Obama. But that doesn't follow the progressive party line, so Aston can't have it.
 
None of us on this board know conclusively if Israel or the US intelligence is correct. However, there is a lot of smoke of Iran conducting unauthorized nuclear activities. Are you predicting Iran wasn’t working toward a nuclear weapon? While not Reddit, I assume Reuters is a sufficient source ?

Not denying that all signs point to them having a nuke weapon program.... just that more caution be exercised than what we've seen repeatedly every time the WMD ( a moniker they won't use anymore because of how embarrassing it was for them) boogeyman rises again. I suspect that there will be an Iranian retaliation against some US assets soon... we're on the precipice of being drawn into boots on the ground in Iran.

P.S. is there a chance that Trump ripping up the nuclear treaty with Iran during his first term may have led to this?

P.P.S. Cui Bono? Answer: Russia via increasing oil prices, especially if China determines they need a replacement source for their oil supply because of the Persian gulf being shut down.
 
Well, Netanyahu's domestic standing is way up, so his strategy of manipulating Trump into attaching Iran worked...for him. He becomes at least the third world leader who had figured out our president. Putin and Netanyahu been dog walking Trump since Jan 20, and Xi is making lemonade out of the lemons being thrown his way. Meanwhile the Pubs still think that tax cuts and bombing are universal solvents that make any problem disappear.

Here's the latest double speak:

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said directly that the United States was not at war with Iran.
“This is not a war against Iran,” Rubio said in an interview on Fox News Channel’s “Sunday Morning Futures.”
The secretary added that President Donald Trump tried diplomacy first, asking Iran to shut down any nuclear weapon development and inviting leaders to negotiate. Rubio said Trump wanted to do this “peacefully.” Iranians, he said, “tried to play him.”
“He handled it differently, but that was an Iranian choice. We didn’t make that choice. They did by playing games with Donald Trump,” he said.
 
If you think Iraq & Iran are the same, then you have some problems. Despite a few rumors China didn't help build underground facilities for Iraq. There wasn't plan after plan monitoring Iraq's actions on nuclear activities for 55 years. Just after the Gulf War. That's just ludicrous to compare Iran and Iraq.
There's always a reason to say this one is unique but the solution doesn't change, direct military action, usually bombing or invasion as the only solution. Then somehow the quick, surgical action has a long and expensive tail.

It would be great if the time was different. But with Netanyahu driving our foreign policy, it seems unlikely
 
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