You ask how is Russia feeling right now ? Maybe it’s time to put some pressure on them to agree to a peace with concessions
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So far they have acknowledged US planes involvement only on a defensive stance, helping to shoot down missiles fired by Iran. No offensive actions being acknowledged by us.
Then WHY TOUCH THE BYLAWS?
There’s no reason to remove that unless you disagree with it.
Speaking of the G7, they just unanimously came out with a statement declaring Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. Looks like everyone is onboard and united.
UK is now deploying military forces to the Middle East.
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Never? Even if they do a complete 180 like Germany?
lol.
I think what they mean is this Iranian government (and to some degree the underlying society that props it up) shouldn’t have a nuclear weapon.
Instead of ending the war in Ukraine we are on our way to war with Iran. Out of control.
Mr. “I would have ended the War in Ukraine in a day”
Didn’t end the war in Ukraine, but capitulated to our adversary so hard that our adversary thinks he can get more so he refuses to deal. Instead we started another war. May god have mercy on his soul.
Didn’t end the war in Ukraine, but capitulated to our adversary so hard that our adversary thinks he can get more so he refuses to deal. Instead we started another war. May god have mercy on his soul.
Are you left wingers really against dropping bunker buster bombs on Iran’s nuclear facilities?
God almighty we didn't start either war. Our adversary had that goal in mind no matter who he is talking with in peace negotiations. Our capitulations weren't the cause of that. Putin wanted a new Russian Empire long before any capitulation happened. That's the reason he won't deal.
Ukraine was toast the minute we declined to defend its borders during the Russian buildup. Most of us understood that Ukraine was never recovering territory lost to the Russians. We showed weakness and Putin invaded not that he wouldn’t have invaded anyway. Just don’t know. It is fairly apparent after the past few days that we could have stopped Russia in its tracks with our air power. Our platforms are far superior to their Russian counterpart s
Republicans for/Democrats Against: Buster Bomb
Republlicans against/Democrats for: Supporting Ukraine with war materials
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Sounds about right. The crazy thing is even G7 country has come out in favor of preventing Iran from getting the bomb. All that is required of us is to fly a few B2s and drop a couple of bombs on a mountain. I’ve yet to hear a reasonable rationale why we shouldn’t prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Maybe it’s just Trump Derangement Syndrome ?
Most the Pubs I know would support the Ukraine effort if there were a plan three years in to either in win or end the war. They oppose, as do I, the idea of an endless financed proxy war where Ukraine slowly loses dirt. I will give credit to the Israel, they have a plan to accomplish “X” and appear well on their way to that objective
It's also Trump getting Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump does not want any offensive support or actions. He wants to be the Great Negotiator. The Republican Senators want it.
100%. Trump is anti war. The G7 support gives him cover though as do a number of our allies moving military assets into the theater. I expect Trump to green light the bombing due to G7 support and his ego. He wants to be remembered as the President who ended Iran’s nuclear threat. Nevermind…it’s 100% the right call.
I hope you are right. It irritates me he is taking so long to get into the fray. Make the call and send in the bombers. Russia or China could do some saber rattling and complicate things. I'm 50/50 on whether he makes the call.
If he did make the call, it would be the one and only decent thing he has done that was of any consequence. It's funny that he had to have Israel and the G7 give him cover for the one and only decent thing. There will always be that caveat next to this decision. That makes me laugh.
I assume we asked the G7 for their support. Don’t believe they would have come out with such a definitive statement without a little prodding. Now the fact that he needed that in order to do what is necessary and required is troubling. Leaders need to lead
Our Allies bringing military assets to the Middle East makes me believe Iran was closer to a nuclear weapon than we may have been led to believe
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We can't trust reports on what our intelligence says. Noem says what the administration wants her to say, regardless of what our intelligence ssys.
Israel would know. Now if we can rely of their reports is also questionable. I am certain we along with our Allies have seen their intelligence on the matter though
Oh I don't doubt we know, but knowing and publicly acknowledged are two different things.
I'm a little more certain Trump will make the call now. Trump demanded an unconditional surrender from Iran and Ayatollah Khamenei's response was "The battle begins." I don't think Trumps ego could handle not attacking them after that response.
He made some less explicit demands of Russia. But that was Russia & Putin who is a bigger enemy than Iran is & has closer ties to China than Iran does. Also, Iran is in a worse & more vulnerable position than Russia was with us, and we are already physically involved in a defensive stance. And as I said before the demands were less explicit.
Seeming more & more certain.
He made some less explicit demands of Russia. But that was Russia & Putin who is a bigger enemy than Iran is & has closer ties to China than Iran does. Also, Iran is in a worse & more vulnerable position than Russia was with us, and we are already physically involved in a defensive stance. And as I said before the demands were less explicit.
Seeming more & more certain.
This is all horse crap.
When asked to actually give Ukraine the resources it needed to end the war or even be competitive in the war, the main contingent responsible for delaying or refusing weaponry has been the Republican Party…. Specifically Donald Trump’s wing of the party who closely align with Vladimir Putin.
Instead they continually chooses to defend a little country in the Middle East that likes to pick fights with nobodies and accomplishes almost nothing strategically other than keeping a small strip of the Mediterranean safe after they punch someone in the nose and then run and hide behind Uncle Sam.
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He wants to prevent an oil crisis which would send his economy into the toilet. He gives zero craps about bombing Iran or war in general as he’s shown historically.
In fact I’d be willing to bet he really wants a way to get America into an easily winnable conflict because it would give him a better excuse to try and stay in office in 2028
Pure fantasy. Ukraine isn’t evicting Russia from the territory they have taken and established defensive positions without NATO boots on the ground. The current situation was predictable once we opened the door for Putin to invade Ukraine.
Do you actually think Iran would use a nuclear weapon if they got it? Considering Israel already has those weapons and is sure to retaliate? (And even if they can’t retaliate half the world would on their behalf)
I asked and didn’t get an answer. Are you and WATU against bombing Iran’s nuclear facility in order to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon?
We opened the door to invade Ukraine during Trump’s admin by stalling weapons shipments (which led to Trump’s first impeachment) thereby signaling an unwillingness to defend Ukraine from one wing of the US political system and a large contingent of America (like you) who are too stupid or to cowardly to stand up to a dictator with any actual military authority like Putin.
Saudi is uncertain of that answer which certainly gives me pause. Iran’s current regime would be the most dangerous regime holding nuclear weapon. Which is why all their neighbors are helping to see that doesn’t occur
I personally don’t tremendously care if they get a nuke anymore than I care if North Korea has a nuke which all signs point to the likelihood that they probably do. (Other than I don’t want more nuclear weapons in the world from anyone)
I think the only result of bombing a facility like that is increased global instability, and puts our own economic security at risk if the conflict were to escalate and oil prices were to rise in response. (Which would put us into a precarious position given our current trade war policies and tenuous debt load)
I think if they got a nuke they would have to actually be taken seriously politically and economically and we don’t want to do that (and Saudi who is a direct competitor certainly doesn’t want that to come to pass) but I wouldn’t mind becoming less dependent on Saudi and giving them some true competition either. I don’t like them having a regional economic monopoly.
I do like that it would be a blow to a Russian ally, so that’s a positive.
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So you would not bomb the nuclear facility and allow the current Iranian regime to acquire a nuclear weapon ?
Would you put American boots on the ground in Ukraine ?
Maybe (depending on the advice of my advisors if this was my decision and I would have quite a dialogue going on with the Iranians about this. I would want to be damn sure I wasn’t risking global economic fallout for something this strategically inconsequential in the region)
and yes
(though I would do it via NATO and push for a wider global participation….which risks a world war, but I think that may be necessary given the posturing by China and Russia and the lack of resistance they’ve faced in response to their imperialist gambits)
In summary, defending democracy and freedom from imperial incursion is more important to me than defending a small self-sustaining regional enclave that was created somewhat artificially and has not stopped causing me massive, destabilizing political problems for the past 70+ years.
So you’re against bombing Iran’s nuclear facility due to the risk of global economic fallout but you’re in favor of NATO entering a ground war against Russia? No risk there lol. Your logic and reasoning here are certainly interesting.
You’ve gone from not wanting to provide Ukraine with weapon systems during the lead up to invasion in order for it to defend itself to now calling for WW3 between NATO and Russia. Quite the change. You basically follow whatever the far left tell you.
Didn't feel like starting a new thread...
I saw an article on CNN that is corrosive to the Democratic party if they do what it seems like they are trying to do. What it seems like they are trying to do is drum Fetterman out of the Democratic party. That is just as bad as what Trump does to those that disagree with him in his party. Any sentiment against the party line seems to get people kicked out.
They even have the gall to bring up his mental health and leave insinuations out there. His arguments against current positions in the party are differing opinions that show no signs of mental instability. Some sane and mentally stable people, myself included, agree with many of his dissenting opinions. That's a dirty and wrong trick to pull. It was wrong of the Republicans to pull it, and it is really wrong of the Democrats to pull it.
He in many senses is a centrist Democrat, and now apparently, they want that out of their party as well. Yes, let's kick out all centrists from every party. Then we will have one big argument and no compromise. The parties used to have a tolerance for dissent from the party line. Apparently neither do in the present. That was what kept parties vibrant IMO. Shame on the Democratic party for following in the Republicans party's recent footsteps. Both parties are pissing me off at present.
I guess I am not alone, considering the ever growing Independent party affiliation. When will either party wake up? When the independents outnumber both parties membership? Nope, cuz that has already happened. 43% Independents 28% Republicans 28% Democrats.
I saw an article on CNN that is corrosive to the Democratic party if they do what it seems like they are trying to do. What it seems like they are trying to do is drum Fetterman out of the Democratic party. That is just as bad as what Trump does to those that disagree with him in his party. Any sentiment against the party line seems to get people kicked out.
They even have the gall to bring up his mental health and leave insinuations out there. His arguments against current positions in the party are differing opinions that show no signs of mental instability. Some sane and mentally stable people, myself included, agree with many of his dissenting opinions. That's a dirty and wrong trick to pull. It was wrong of the Republicans to pull it, and it is really wrong of the Democrats to pull it.
He in many senses is a centrist Democrat, and now apparently, they want that out of their party as well. Yes, let's kick out all centrists from every party. Then we will have one big argument and no compromise. The parties used to have a tolerance for dissent from the party line. Apparently neither do in the present. That was what kept parties vibrant IMO. Shame on the Democratic party for following in the Republicans party's recent footsteps. Both parties are pissing me off at present.
I guess I am not alone, considering the ever growing Independent party affiliation. When will either party wake up? When the independents outnumber both parties membership? Nope, cuz that has already happened. 43% Independents 28% Republicans 28% Democrats.
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I don’t listen to the far left or the far right.
I think independently. I don’t think it is worth the blood or treasure to intervene in minor squabbles in the Middle East which will ultimately not benefit me to any great deal.
I do think that stopping imperialism of other superpowers and not taking a stance of appeasement is worth blood and treasure because it has direct effects on me economically and militarily.
Super powers getting stronger and more confident that they can roll over me without consequence is much more impactful than Iran getting a Nuclear bomb, which 3 of their near neighbors already have (Pakistan, India, Israel as do their closest ally, Russia)
You’re a parrot / sheep of the far left. You don’t give a damn about stopping a super power. Your position was to not provide Ukraine with any military assets which would thwart the Russian invasion. You would have rather watched Putin take eastern Ukraine than supply them with the military assets they were requesting. Why…because that was the position of Biden and the Dems at the time. Now you’ve done a 180….why? Because you’ve once again adopted the position of the Dems. Anybody dead set at stopping a superpower as you claim steps up and defends Ukraine before Russia ceases the land and taking it back results in a world war.
If you can’t decipher the difference between India, Pakistan, Israel and the number one supporter of terrorism in the world then I really can’t help you. Again….parroting the position of the extreme left regardless of merit and common sense
Now comes the big vacillation. Trump trying to figure out how he can strike them without getting embroiled in the situation. You can't. Either you strike or you don't. There is no easy button. What a poor leader. And they shouldn't be broadcasting their indecision.
