The franchise in OKC is saying when the big 12 expands
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It would either be two of those three or all three plus one more. Can't imagine Big12 expanding to 13.
I think Cincy and UConn are probably pretty decent bets. BYU has a large fanbase but I understand the conference is not all that excited about bringing them in although BYU seems to be interested. I have my doubts about Houston.
Houston literally brings nothing to the B12, other than maybe some sort of defense to keep another P5 out of that market.
Because It certainly looks that way right now.
It would be interesting if OU or Texas decides to part ways. Then we have a real cluster again and see 2 or 3 conferences all scurrying to form a replacement conference.
It would be interesting if OU or Texas decides to part ways. Then we have a real cluster again and see 2 or 3 conferences all scurrying to form a replacement conference.
You'd better believe Texas is behind the scenes checking the temperature of the Pac-12's interest in them and allowing them to keep the LHN in tact until the contract runs out. At that point the Big XII becomes virtually pointless and AAC-esque.
When all the dust settles... Texass to the Pac 12 and OU to the SEC... Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU & OSU will try chumming the waters to go to who ever will take them.
The top teams of the AAC & Big 12 will scramble to form a new league. Look for Kansas to try to piggy back into the Big 10 based on their bball program...
The top teams of the AAC & Big 12 will scramble to form a new league. Look for Kansas to try to piggy back into the Big 10 based on their bball program...
Man, good thing it's conference realignment season again. I was so tired of watching and talking about basketball.
Chadwick et al. think this will either result in 1 or 2 teams expansion, together with LHN agreeing to become Big XII network, and divisions or the Big XII implodes. If UT says no, and they all thought UT would hang on to the 2- year ESPN deal for LHN and say no, then rather than expand, OU walks (with OSU?) and all heck breaks lose. Boren playing high stakes poker.
Hard to figure out divisions in the Big XII with Cinncy (or Cinncy and UConn/BYU/Boise). I can't make a No/So or E/W work without having an extreme imbalance in the relative strength of the two divisions.
AAC Commissioner in interview last evening suggested AAC would stand pat with one team exciting (CInncy) and continue a playoff with one 6, one 5 team division. I don't see any good expansion candidates for the AAC unless there is interest from Air Force joining up with Navy. Army while weak in football is also national brand. CSU?
Rice adds nothing but academics. Marshall gives ECU a replacement partner but is a rural location in a small state.
Maybe FIU and FAU as partners for USF and UCF. El Paso and UTSA make little sense (except for San Antonio market).
Unless Air Force and CSU want to bolt together, standing pat looks good. I might move back to 12 with WSU as basketball only if only one team leaves.
Hard to figure out divisions in the Big XII with Cinncy (or Cinncy and UConn/BYU/Boise). I can't make a No/So or E/W work without having an extreme imbalance in the relative strength of the two divisions.
AAC Commissioner in interview last evening suggested AAC would stand pat with one team exciting (CInncy) and continue a playoff with one 6, one 5 team division. I don't see any good expansion candidates for the AAC unless there is interest from Air Force joining up with Navy. Army while weak in football is also national brand. CSU?
Rice adds nothing but academics. Marshall gives ECU a replacement partner but is a rural location in a small state.
Maybe FIU and FAU as partners for USF and UCF. El Paso and UTSA make little sense (except for San Antonio market).
Unless Air Force and CSU want to bolt together, standing pat looks good. I might move back to 12 with WSU as basketball only if only one team leaves.
I doubt OU and OSU would leave. I believe Big12 distributes more $ per school than any conference other than SEC.
Now you're gonna go and get Goldie's Napoleon complex all flared up. Shame on you.
Simple test...Big XII cannot survive without Texas, Texas probably can survive without the Big XII. While Dave is spouting his mouth about needing to expand, Texas basically has the "I'm taking my toys and leaving" veto card. OU is trying to dilute Texas' power within the conference by adding members but TX already has the LHN and you would see a ridiculous bidding war if UT decides to bid out as an independent....or they go behind everyone's back and the day after Cincinnati is announced, they announce they are going to the SEC.
Texas could go Indy, they are already but with a conference relationship. Just think about that for a min. Big shake up on the near horizon. Could end up poorly for us. Flip side, they take cincy and BYU. That would be good for AAC. Unless Houston takes the TCU route and goes elsewhere for a year or two.
Texas would not go independent. To big a disadvantage for making football playoff. If they go anywhere, it will be Pac12. If OU goes, I suspect it will be B10. I doubt either goes anywhere though.
Cinncy seems likely unless UT says no to Boren. It's a huge gamble - Boren's threat to take OU's marbles and UT's threat to take its marbles.
The dissolution of the Big XII seems more dangerous to TU than losing a member or two of the ACC to the Big XII.
When there are 64 power teams in 4 conferences, TU likely will be among the "first four out." If the power teams lock out games against the next level, TU is left in Division II and likely joins with the few remaining ACC teams to move to the MWC. Maybe a NY day bowl spot is salvaged, maybe not.
Bottom line, I'm rooting for Cinncy to leave - and I would like a "Big XII" win tonight and in football this Fall.
The dissolution of the Big XII seems more dangerous to TU than losing a member or two of the ACC to the Big XII.
When there are 64 power teams in 4 conferences, TU likely will be among the "first four out." If the power teams lock out games against the next level, TU is left in Division II and likely joins with the few remaining ACC teams to move to the MWC. Maybe a NY day bowl spot is salvaged, maybe not.
Bottom line, I'm rooting for Cinncy to leave - and I would like a "Big XII" win tonight and in football this Fall.
That is my exact hope as well. Any more poaching could cause serious ramifications for us. Cincy and BYU
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B1G wants nothing to do with OU as its academic reputation is not what the B1G is looking for.
Houston going "somewhere else" at this juncture does nothing to enhance their chances of getting a P5 invite in the future. The AAC is the best non-P5 conference (in terms of those that play both football/basketball). It does Houston ZERO good to go the a lesser conference in the MWC. Remember, TCU was always a step ahead of this insanity it seemed. It was a step ahead in moving to C-USA from the WAC, a step ahead in moving to MWC from C-USA, and a step ahead of moving to the Big East from the MWC and that's the only reason they were able to secure a Big XII invite. Houston, if not included in this next go round, would be a step behind. BTW, if Cincy/UCONN leave, look to Colorado St and Air Force first although I expect UMASS to beg to get in.
In the end I expect Texas and OU to have a giant pissing match and hoping the wind is blowing with them that respective day rather than against them. Seeing as how the prevailing wind around here is from the south, I expect Texas wins that too.
OU would only be above Rutgers in terms of US News & World Reports rankings in the B1G. Nebraska would be above that. I believe there was a lot of pushback on Rutgers admission because it didn't meet the regular standards. Prior to Nebraksa and Rutgers joining, the B1G didn't have a university ranked lower than 70 (Iowa). Nebraska brought brand, Rutgers brought NYC market. OU would just dilute it. OU fits the SEC profile much better. Interpret that however you want.
And the Big 10 Presidents have said they would not have invited Nebraska had they known its AAU status was in jeopardy. Big10 Presidents are not all captive to Athletic Directors like they are in the Big12. U Chicago is still a conference member in spite of dissolving all intercollegiate sports.
Then again, OU has no AAU status to be in jeopardy so...
Basketball has nothing to do with conference realignment. Kansas will be homeless of the Big 12 ever dissolves. They probably would have ended up in the Big East had it happened a few years ago.
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