The First Debate

[HuffyCane]

Let’s have some fun.

What three questions would you ask your opponent, if you were participating in tomorrow nights debate. I’ll start:

1. Mr. President, name the members of your Cabinet.

2. Mr. President, since you were made personally aware your immigration policy results in forced child labor, what have you done to change it and protect kids?

3. Mr. President, will you visit your son in prison?

 

[aTUfan]

Let’s have some fun.

What three questions would you ask your opponent, if you were participating in tomorrow nights debate. I’ll start:

1. Mr. President, name the members of your Cabinet.

2. Mr. President, since you were made personally aware your immigration policy results in forced child labor, what have you done to change it and protect kids?

3. Mr. President, will you visit your son in prison?

Mr president, why didn'tyou propose

a ban on assault weapons,
a wealth tax,
better immigration process.
....
while you had the Athority when you were in congress for 42 years?

What was your landmark legislation?

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Mr president, how much did you get from, hunt

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Mr felon, how many times have you altered your prenuptial agreement since you ran for president 2015? Would you be willing to publish that agreement?

Mr felon, can we see Donald Junior's laptop? Do you think he would agree to a drug test? He looks awfully flushed during a lot of video twitter tirades.


Mr Felon, if you were to give Ukraine to Russia, why would China not believe you would give Tawain to them, too? What are you a strongman about? Is it all bluster?

 

[aTUfan]

Mr felon, how many times have you altered your prenuptial agreement since you ran for president 2015? Would you be willing to publish that agreement?

Mr felon, can we see Donald Junior's laptop? Do you think he would agree to a drug test? He looks awfully flushed during a lot of video twitter tirades.


Mr Felon, if you were to give Ukraine to Russia, why would China not believe you would give Tawain to them, too? What are you a strongman about? Is it all bluster?

Mr Biden, can you state any three counts the Mr Trump was convicted of.

 

[lawpoke87]

Trump….why aren’t you wearing your oranges?

Biden….whose has better cognitive ability…you or that potted plant next to your podium?

Guess we could go California here and ask each to name three drag queens.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Mr felon, how many times have you altered your prenuptial agreement since you ran for president 2015? Would you be willing to publish that agreement?

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Trump….why aren’t you wearing your oranges?

***Biden….whose has better cognitive ability…you or that potted plant next to your podium?

Guess we could go California here and ask each to name three drag queens.

On the asterisked point, we'll find out how much fake news has been spread or not spread after the debate. I have a feeling at least a little bit of fake news has been spread, considering Trump & friends suddenly talking about Biden's debate prowess, and repeated mentionings of a shot in the ass.

 

[lawpoke87]

On the asterisked point, we'll find out how much fake news has been spread or not spread after the debate. I have a feeling at least a little bit of fake news has been spread, considering Trump & friends suddenly talking about Biden's debate prowess, and repeated mentionings of a shot in the ass.

I expect Biden to at least meet expectations. He seems to be able to memorize statements but struggle with any type of independent thinking or analysis. I assume CNN has provided Biden with the questions and you know the questions and moderator will be pro Biden. He should be able to get through his statements without having to respond to anything he wasn’t well prepared to answer. Biden needs a good performance. He’s behind. Still confused why Trump agreed to a CNN debate with a partisan mod.

 

[astonmartin708]

I expect Biden to at least meet expectations. He seems to be able to memorize statements but struggle with any type of independent thinking or analysis. I assume CNN has provided Biden with the questions and you know the questions and moderator will be pro Biden. He should be able to get through his statements without having to respond to anything he wasn’t well prepared to answer. Biden needs a good performance. He’s behind. Still confused why Trump agreed to a CNN debate with a partisan mod.

I don’t think the moderators will be as much pro Biden as they will be anti-Trump.

 

[aTUfan]

I expect Biden to at least meet expectations. He seems to be able to memorize statements but struggle with any type of independent thinking or analysis. I assume CNN has provided Biden with the questions and you know the questions and moderator will be pro Biden. He should be able to get through his statements without having to respond to anything he wasn’t well prepared to answer. Biden needs a good performance. He’s behind. Still confused why Trump agreed to a CNN debate with a partisan mod.

fox should host the next debate

 

[lawpoke87]

I don’t think the moderators will be as much pro Biden as they will be anti-Trump.

Works out to be net same. Trump agreed to CNN and Jake Tapper. That’s on him.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

He seems to be able to memorize statements but struggle with any type of independent thinking or analysis. I assume CNN has provided Biden with the questions and you know the questions and moderator will be pro Biden.

I am happy to say this for your sake. I don't think you know yet. what senior memory loss or dementia do to you from a patient's perspective. Most mental difficulties have a lot more in common with each other than one might think. Aneurysms, strokes, and concussions have a lot more in common with senior moments and dementia than a lot of people realize. You have to move to something like Tourette's syndrome or a small tumor/parasite in the brain that is more localized, before you see base differences in mental difficulties from things that attack the brain.

The two things you are talking about are not separate entities in the way those difficulties are affected in the brain. If he is memorizing long statements then much of the rest of his abilities would still be available to him. And visa versa. You can't have no difficulties with one, and be inept at the other. There would be self evident problems with both, if he had any significant problems with one or the other. Also, if there is any bit of executive function involved with two brain functions then you cannot separate difficulties from either one completely.

 

[aTUfan]

Works out to be net same. Trump agreed to CNN and Jake Tapper. That’s on him.

or Donna Brazile

 

[astonmartin708]

fox should host the next debate

They are not equivalent. CNN =/= Fox News.

By a somewhat fair analysis from a "skews left" to "strong left" to "hyper partisan left" bias (and the same on the other side) many of the Fox News programs are closer to "hyper partisan" while CNN is just "skews left" along with a lot of the other major networks like NBC, ABC, etc.... The equivalent to Fox News would be something like MSNBC or "thesocialistalternative.org"

 

[lawpoke87]

They are not equivalent. CNN =/= Fox News.

By a somewhat fair analysis from a "skews left" to "strong left" to "hyper partisan left" bias (and the same on the other side) many of the Fox News programs are closer to "hyper partisan" while CNN is just "skews left" along with a lot of the other major networks like NBC, ABC, etc.... The equivalent to Fox News would be something like MSNBC or "thesocialistalternative.org"

Yeah….CNN and the debate moderator just “skews left” 😂😂😂. Like I said above, Trump agreed to the terms and a hyper partisan mod and network per your definition. Thats on him.

 

[astonmartin708]

Mr. Trump, there are a large number of Americans who would call into question your commitment to making truthful statements as well as your commitment to the fundamental ideals of our Democratic Republic. Your words and actions before, during, and after the unrest on January 6th have, if anything, strengthened their arguments. What would you say to the people of America who feel as though you tried to steal their ability to elect their chosen representatives and who say you continue to cosy up to dictatorial figures like Putin, Kim, and Xi?

As a follow up.... how can the American people trust what you've just said given your history of communicating falsehoods?

President Biden, some prominent Americans argue that your administration caused or significantly contributed to rising inflation and a ballooning national debt which has burdened millions of Americans. How would you respond to that criticism and if you were to win another term, what (if anything) would your administration do differently to improve the nation's difficult economic situation?

 

[astonmartin708]

Yeah….CNN and the debate moderator just “skews left” 😂😂😂. Like I said above, Trump agreed to the terms and a hyper partisan mod and network per your definition. Thats on him.

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Now.... do Fox News....

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I'd place CNN at a little right of strong left, and Fox at a little bit left of hyper partisan.

That's the only sentence that I would use to describe Fox as left of anything.

 

[lawpoke87]

I'd place CNN at a little right of strong left, and Fox at a little bit left of hyper partisan.

That's the only sentence that I would use to describe Fox as left of anything.

That statement isn’t anywhere close to a little right of strong left. In fact, I’m not sure you could get anymore extreme left. As I said above, I can’t believe the Trump camp would agree to a hyper partisan like that to moderate a debate but they did. I don’t expect their decision to be a positive one for them. Biden will gain in the polls after Thursday imo. I also think it’s crap the two major parties kept RFK out of the debate. Just shows their power and what we’re dealing with to get a legitimate third party off the ground.

 

[astonmartin708]

That statement isn’t anywhere close to a little right of strong left. In fact, I’m not sure you could get anymore extreme left. As I said above, I can’t believe the Trump camp would agree to a hyper partisan like that to moderate a debate but they did. I don’t expect their decision to be a positive one for them. Biden will gain in the polls after Thursday imo. I also think it’s crap the two major parties kept RFK out of the debate. Just shows their power and what we’re dealing with to get a legitimate third party off the ground.

This opinion just shows your bias. I think anyone would agree that MSNBC is more extreme left than CNN, and there are other media outlets even left of them. It's not like CNN is espousing communism / socialism. Heck, they don't even tend to regularly and directly badmouth general Republican constituencies like Fox News does to Democrats.

The only reason RFK Jr. is even spoken about is because of the disapproval of other candidates.... not because people actually think he's a good candidate. He's the 'giant meteor' of this election season. Moreover, he's only recognized because of his father's namesake, who he has consistently failed to live up to.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

That statement isn’t anywhere close to a little right of strong left. In fact, I’m not sure you could get anymore extreme left. As I said above, I can’t believe the Trump camp would agree to a hyper partisan like that to moderate a debate but they did. I don’t expect their decision to be a positive one for them. Biden will gain in the polls after Thursday imo. I also think it’s crap the two major parties kept RFK out of the debate. Just shows their power and what we’re dealing with to get a legitimate third party off the ground.

Fox is definitely further right than CNN is left. Which was the argument upon which all this started.

 

[HuffyCane]

That statement isn’t anywhere close to a little right of strong left. In fact, I’m not sure you could get anymore extreme left. As I said above, I can’t believe the Trump camp would agree to a hyper partisan like that to moderate a debate but they did. I don’t expect their decision to be a positive one for them. Biden will gain in the polls after Thursday imo. I also think it’s crap the two major parties kept RFK out of the debate. Just shows their power and what we’re dealing with to get a legitimate third party off the ground.

I would assume they’ve looked at the numbers in the precincts that matter and it’s down to pure turn out now. There are no undecideds or what’s left can’t flip the result. If so, and your brand is us vs the world, “I am the only one standing between them and you” politics, then a ridiculous spectacle where you shout counter accusations and claim the debate is just a rigged as 2020 is exactly what you need. You hope it happens. Either he crushes Biden or he can claim it was biased. Win either way. The Trump camp won in 2016 because Clinton was the worst candidate in 50 years and Trump excelled at game theory responses when pressed. Same story here. From their perspective, they can’t lose.

 

[HuffyCane]

That statement isn’t anywhere close to a little right of strong left. In fact, I’m not sure you could get anymore extreme left. As I said above, I can’t believe the Trump camp would agree to a hyper partisan like that to moderate a debate but they did. I don’t expect their decision to be a positive one for them. Biden will gain in the polls after Thursday imo. I also think it’s crap the two major parties kept RFK out of the debate. Just shows their power and what we’re dealing with to get a legitimate third party off the ground.

Can you imagine if he gets 30 electoral vote and it becomes a contingent election even though Biden has a huge popular vote lead? People’s heads will explode when it’s explained to them that South Dakota with one Congressman gets the same number of votes, one, as California with its 52 Congressman. It would be the incoming Congress, but the current one would hand the election to Trump, even if he came in second in both the popular vote and electoral college and was ineligible as an elector in several states. Still want a strong third party candidate?

 

[astonmartin708]

I would assume they’ve looked at the numbers in the precincts that matter and it’s down to pure turn out now. There are no undecideds or what’s left can’t flip the result. If so, and your brand is us vs the world, “I am the only one standing between them and you” politics, then a ridiculous spectacle where you shout counter accusations and claim the debate is just a rigged as 2020 is exactly what you need. You hope it happens. Either he crushes Biden or he can claim it was biased. Win either way. The Trump camp won in 2016 because Clinton was the worst candidate in 50 years and Trump excelled at game theory responses when pressed. Same story here. From their perspective, they can’t lose.

Very Nixonian in that way..... also... he's a crook.... so, Nixonian in many more ways than one.

 

[lawpoke87]

Fox is definitely further right than CNN is left. Which was the argument upon which all this started.

I thought the point was in context of hosting this debate? My point was the CNN mod is as far left as any main host on Fox is right as is evidence by his highly partisan statements I linked. The standard is obviously subjective. Not sure why you have a mod who is hyper partisan but that is what we have here. Also, CNN has apparently instituted a 1-2 minute delay allowing them to edit the actual answers given by Biden and Trump. Crazy stuff if true. Can someone confirm or debunk?

 

[HuffyCane]

I thought the point was in context of hosting this debate? My point was the CNN mod is as far left as any main host on Fox is right as is evidence by his highly partisan statements I linked. The standard is obviously subjective. Not sure why you have a mod who is hyper partisan but that is what we have here. Also, CNN has apparently instituted a 1-2 minute delay allowing them to edit the actual answers given by Biden and Trump. Crazy stuff if true. Can someone confirm or debunk?

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CNN official account claiming it’s fake news. Whether that’s just a reversal we will likely never know.

 

[lawpoke87]

Pretty spot on

 

[lawpoke87]

I expect Biden to at least meet expectations. He seems to be able to memorize statements but struggle with any type of independent thinking or analysis. I assume CNN has provided Biden with the questions and you know the questions and moderator will be pro Biden. He should be able to get through his statements without having to respond to anything he wasn’t well prepared to answer. Biden needs a good performance. He’s behind. Still confused why Trump agreed to a CNN debate with a partisan mod.

Sadly I was wrong. Biden was exactly who most of us thought he was going into that debate. An old man who lacks cognitive ability. He will be replaced on the ticket after tonight imo. Don’t see where the Dems have any other options. NYT and CNN already calling for him to step down.

 

[drboobay]

God help America. We cannot have either of these men for very different reasons.

Two old men. One is your cranky, crazy uncle who makes things up, hates everything, and does nothing but complain. One is your kindly, confused grandfather. Neither one should be President!!! Seriously!!!!!

 

[lawpoke87]

God help America. We cannot have either of these men for very different reasons.

Two old men. One is your cranky, crazy uncle who makes things up, hates everything, and does nothing but complain. One is your kindly, confused grandfather. Neither one should be President!!! Seriously!!!!!

Pretty obvious why both parties blocked a third party candidate from the debate. Imagine the contrast of a sharp individual on that stage compared to the other two.

 

[drboobay]

Biden sounds so much coherent right now at his watch party. Where was this guy earlier? Bizarre.

 

[drboobay]

Pretty obvious why both parties blocked a third party candidate from the debate. Imagine the contrast of a sharp individual on that stage compared to the other two.

Yes. But Kennedy lies too, and boldly, on several topics. I have a hard, hard time imagining him in the White House.

I still say I prefer incompetence over maliciousness. But neither is in the least appealing or comforting.

It was just so hard to watch. This cannot stand.

 

[astonmartin708]

Sadly I was wrong. Biden was exactly who most of us thought he was going into that debate. An old man who lacks cognitive ability. He will be replaced on the ticket after tonight imo. Don’t see where the Dems have any other options. NYT and CNN already calling for him to step down.

He is very unlikely to be replaced. It's too late for that. It's an unfortunate truth. The other unfortunate truth is that Trump could not stop outright lying, did not answer a single question directly, and only stuck to his xenophobic talking points. (I particularly loved his description of "black and hispanic jobs" that immigrants are coming after.... as though black people should be mainly concerned about the fact that uneducated immigrants are coming to take their jobs rather than being stuck in crappy jobs in the first place. Just a bit of casual racism from Trump.

We're a far cry from the Kennedy Nixon debates....

I do wish that someone younger had been on stage with Trump. I think many posters from this board would have swept the floor with him. It would have been interesting to see a rematch between H. Clinton and Trump now that he couldn't dote on the "lock her up" crap.

P.S. RFK Jr. is still a joke.

 

[lawpoke87]

RFK might be a joke but he’s not crazy or a potted plant. He would have swept the floor against either one of these guys. If it’s too late the replace Biden then shame on the Dems for doing all they could to hide his cognitive decline. Most of us saw it. The partisans wouldn’t admit it….see this board. Why it took you so long to admit the reality is puzzling. Partisanship blinders I assume. Now we’re likely looking at another Trump term. Biden won’t be re-elected.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Biden spoke with a softer older sounding voice, and Biden lost his train of thought two or three times, and would have finished the statement with clarity if allowed to continue several minutes. It was a pressure situation with a time limit, and that was the cause of his two or three errors that were his most grievous. Their was no signs of dementia from Biden in the debate. There was only slight signs of senior cognitive function difficulties, that could have been fixed if he was in a normal conversation with someone who was not combative.

He did lose the debate in my mind, but not for reasons of mental deficiencies. The reasons were superficial, and mainly because Trump superceded him in the number of lies that Trump told. You can't look good if the guy you are debating lies repetitively, and you are the only one to call him on those lies.

If anybody on the democratic side is calling for Biden to step down, it's not because of mental deficiencies. Biden corrected himself many times immediately on numerical errors he made. (400k/40 million, so many trillionaires/billionaires, etc.) These types of immediate corrections would not have been made for almost, if not every numerical error, if he was having serious problems with age related cognitive functions.

RFK is crazy on the ideas he supports.

 

[drboobay]

Biden spoke with a softer older sounding voice, and Biden lost his train of thought two or three times, and would have finished the statement with clarity if allowed to continue several minutes. It was a pressure situation with a time limit, and that was the cause of his two or three errors that were his most grievous. Their was no signs of dementia from Biden in the debate. There was only slight signs of senior cognitive function difficulties, that could have been fixed if he was in a normal conversation with someone who was not combative.

He did lose the debate in my mind, but not for reasons of mental deficiencies. The reasons were superficial, and mainly because Trump superceded him in the number of lies that Trump told. You can't look good if the guy you are debating lies repetitively, and you are the only one to call him on those lies.

If anybody on the democratic side is calling for Biden to step down, it's not because of mental deficiencies. Biden corrected himself many times immediately on numerical errors he made. (400k/40 million, so many trillionaires/billionaires, etc.) These types of immediate corrections would not have been made for almost, if not every numerical error, if he was having serious problems with age related cognitive functions.

RFK is crazy on the ideas he supports.

One commentator had a good insight. Biden should do away with all the stats and numbers. That's where he got the most off his game.

Really he could have done well by just repeating 20 times two things.

1. You are a convicted felon.
2. You sat for hours silently as the Capitol was destroyed.

Just beat and beat and beat on these two things. Don't worry about the statistics. Trump doesn't.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

RFK might be a joke but he’s not crazy or a potted plant. ... If it’s too late the replace Biden then shame on the Dems for doing all they could to hide his cognitive decline. Most of us saw it. The partisans wouldn’t admit it….see this board. Why it took you so long to admit the reality is puzzling. Partisanship blinders I assume.

I hope the people around you aren't so critical of you when you are pushing 80, because you probably won't deserve it on the merits only.

are pushingNow we’re likely looking at another Trump term. Biden won’t be re-elected.

Probably.

 

[astonmartin708]

RFK might be a joke but he’s not crazy or a potted plant. He would have swept the floor against either one of these guys. If it’s too late the replace Biden then shame on the Dems for doing all they could to hide his cognitive decline. Most of us saw it. The partisans wouldn’t admit it….see this board. Why it took you so long to admit the reality is puzzling. Partisanship blinders I assume. Now we’re likely looking at another Trump term. Biden won’t be re-elected.

Shame on the Dems..... LMAO..... Shame on the Republicans for continuing to buy into psychopathy. You know, no one is forcing anyone to vote for Trump. There's no gun to anyone's head at the polls.

Also, I disagree with the statement that RFK is not crazy. He's coo coo for cocoa puffs. Shame on the rest of America for not stepping up and running a legitimate third candidate.... or maybe not letting Trump get the Republican nod over a moderate. I do think that the difference in Biden's behavior / temperament from the State of the Union until today is quite striking. Of course that's a prepared speech so there's not as much quick critical thinking necessary.


Heck... throw John Stewart in the race as a third party candidate right now and I'm fairly sure he winds in a landslide.

I think a Biden administration overall, especially with Biden's handlers, is far and away more competent and good for America than a second Trump admin would be. The main thing that makes me nervous about Biden is that lack of quick response that he had in his youth. I don't think he's lost his marbles, it just takes him a few more moments than it used to in order to get to his decisions. That's fine for most things, but on a few occasions (mostly defense related) you need snappier responses. In all honesty I would trust Kamala more than either Biden or Trump when it came to having the hand on the button. She's not an egomaniac with a flawed sense of self importance like Trump and she's not as slow, though also not as intelligent or capable at governing as Biden. Just seems like between the three she would be the one to realize the gravity of the situation and be able to make a non-self indulgent judgement call.

 

[lawpoke87]

Biden spoke with a softer older sounding voice, and Biden lost his train of thought two or three times, and would have finished the statement with clarity if allowed to continue several minutes. It was a pressure situation with a time limit, and that was the cause of his two or three errors that were his most grievous. Their was no signs of dementia from Biden in the debate. There was only slight signs of senior cognitive function difficulties, that could have been fixed if he was in a normal conversation with someone who was not combative.

He did lose the debate in my mind, but not for reasons of mental deficiencies. The reasons were superficial, and mainly because Trump superceded him in the number of lies that Trump told. You can't look good if the guy you are debating lies repetitively, and you are the only one to call him on those lies.

If anybody on the democratic side is calling for Biden to step down, it's not because of mental deficiencies. Biden corrected himself many times immediately on numerical errors he made. (400k/40 million, so many trillionaires/billionaires, etc.) These types of immediate corrections would not have been made for almost, if not every numerical error, if he was having serious problems with age related cognitive functions.

RFK is crazy on the ideas he supports.

Practically every talking head on CNN was talking about Biden’s cognitive decline after the debate and suggesting out loud that he should be replaced because of the same. We as well as most of America watched two different debates.