TCU Academic Policy is easier than TU

[JesseTU]

Someone said TCU is a small private university with good academics and success in sports... we should do what they do. So I looked up what they do.

First, it should be noted they have ~9000 students, twice the student body of Tulsa. Academically, they are ranked 76th by US News, a slight margin higher TU. For admissions they have no required GPA or ACT/SAT, they only give the "general profile" for students (which are similar to TU). I suspect this leaves lots of wiggle room for student athletes.

An Athletic Scholarship to TCU generally includes (est. cost per year):

- Tuition ($38,510 + summer school) per year, + summer school and a 5th year upon application
- Fees ($1k)
- textbooks (checkout and return, value $1400)
- Education equipment (latop etc. $500 a year I would imagine)
- Room ($10,800)
- Dining services ($7k)
- 2nd Health Insurance (sports related injury only) + injury assurance on scholarship
- Academic support, assessment, 3x semester check, tutors, study session, athletic computer lab ($5k?)

So if John Q wanted access to the same basic educational items, they'd pay just over $63,000 per year. TU is not as clear on what "perks" they offer for similar items, if anyone can find them - please compare. But I imagine TCU is a little more inclusive in their scholarship items, but I really don't know.

ACADEMICALLY, TCU IS EASIER:

- Must Maintain a C (2.0) average. Failure to do so is a warning, then probation, then academic suspension.
- Must have a C average to graduate
- Some majors require a C for graded credit towards degree progress
- Must meet NCAA requirements for progress towards degree (universal)
- Can repeat 4 courses and receive the highest grade on each - may impact graded credit per semester/progress towards degree requirement. After repeating 4 courses, any additional repeats "average" the scores.*****
- Can take summer school NOT at TCU at a community college with approval*****
- Enrolled students are limited to 12 hours of CC courses in their career******
- Max of 54 hours of cumulative CC coursework can be applied to TCU degree

ALSO, TCU has plenty of stereo-typically easy majors. With my apologies to anyone having these degrees, I really don't know if they are hard programs and some are legit in some schools and crap in others, but looking at the football roster and/or their course chart - if my goal was to stay eligible in football these appear to be the top choices:

- Sports Medicine
- Strength and Conditioning
- Health and Fitness
- Nutrition
- Physical Education
- Sports Broadcasting
- Sports Psychology
- Criminal Justice
- Arts and Science
- Films, Television and digital media
- General studies


SO TCU offers a wide array of seemingly easy majors, simpler transfer of CC hours, repeat course offerings to improve grades, and 12 hours of CC enrollment while at TCU. Advantages that a TU football player would not have.

Not taking a position on decreasing standards, just answering a question because I was curious.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tcu/genrel/auto_pdf/studenthandbook.pdf

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/tcu-3636

http://www.reg.tcu.edu/transfercredit.asp

http://financialaid.tcu.edu/what-is-the-cost/

http://www.admissions.tcu.edu/freshman/requirements

http://www.admissions.tcu.edu/academics/testing-policy

 

[eastcane]

Nice job.

 

[youngblood223]

Originally posted by JesseTU:
Someone said TCU is a small private university with good academics and success in sports... we should do what they do. So I looked up what they do.

First, it should be noted they have ~9000 students, twice the student body of Tulsa. Academically, they are ranked 76th by US News, a slight margin higher TU. For admissions they have no required GPA or ACT/SAT, they only give the "general profile" for students (which are similar to TU). I suspect this leaves lots of wiggle room for student athletes.

An Athletic Scholarship to TCU generally includes (est. cost per year):

- Tuition ($38,510 + summer school) per year, + summer school and a 5th year upon application
- Fees ($1k)
- textbooks (checkout and return, value $1400)
- Education equipment (latop etc. $500 a year I would imagine)
- Room ($10,800)
- Dining services ($7k)
- 2nd Health Insurance (sports related injury only) + injury assurance on scholarship
- Academic support, assessment, 3x semester check, tutors, study session, athletic computer lab ($5k?)

So if John Q wanted access to the same basic educational items, they'd pay just over $63,000 per year. TU is not as clear on what "perks" they offer for similar items, if anyone can find them - please compare. But I imagine TCU is a little more inclusive in their scholarship items, but I really don't know.

ACADEMICALLY, TCU IS EASIER:

- Must Maintain a C (2.0) average. Failure to do so is a warning, then probation, then academic suspension.
- Must have a C average to graduate
- Some majors require a C for graded credit towards degree progress
- Must meet NCAA requirements for progress towards degree (universal)
- Can repeat 4 courses and receive the highest grade on each - may impact graded credit per semester/progress towards degree requirement. After repeating 4 courses, any additional repeats "average" the scores.*****
- Can take summer school NOT at TCU at a community college with approval*****
- Enrolled students are limited to 12 hours of CC courses in their career******
- Max of 54 hours of cumulative CC coursework can be applied to TCU degree

ALSO, TCU has plenty of stereo-typically easy majors. With my apologies to anyone having these degrees, I really don't know if they are hard programs and some are legit in some schools and crap in others, but looking at the football roster and/or their course chart - if my goal was to stay eligible in football these appear to be the top choices:

- Sports Medicine
- Strength and Conditioning
- Health and Fitness
- Nutrition
- Physical Education
- Sports Broadcasting
- Sports Psychology
- Criminal Justice
- Arts and Science
- Films, Television and digital media
- General studies


SO TCU offers a wide array of seemingly easy majors, simpler transfer of CC hours, repeat course offerings to improve grades, and 12 hours of CC enrollment while at TCU. Advantages that a TU football player would not have.

Not taking a position on decreasing standards, just answering a question because I was curious.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tcu/genrel/auto_pdf/studenthandbook.pdf

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/tcu-3636

http://www.reg.tcu.edu/transfercredit.asp

http://financialaid.tcu.edu/what-is-the-cost/

http://www.admissions.tcu.edu/freshman/requirements

http://www.admissions.tcu.edu/academics/testing-policy

And, they're ranked higher as an academic institution? Did I read that right?

 

[panicstricken]

Can you send that to everyone of the board of trustees.

+1

 

[rabidTU]

Thanks for that Jesse. And I agree with panic too.

 

[TU_BLA]

Any TU student can retake a class to get a higher grade and have it figured in. I know many students who have done this especially with certain Statistics classes and if they had one particular professor. Many would just wait until it was offered in the summer under a different professor. The class has to be the same class number as the one they want to replace the grade of (i.e. STAT1004 can oy be replaced with STAT1004). You cannot take a class at a CC and have it replace the grade at TU. TCU's 54 hr requirement is probably similar to TUs, essentially no more than 2 yrs. TU has a pretty stringent policy on what courses do qualify for transfer as well as they vet each course to make sure it is an actual college level course. The difference in ranking comes on National reputation and % of alum who donate. Those are 2 scores TU lags when comparing against TCU, SMU, Rice, et. al.
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[TU Man]

I agree BLA

Good research, but TU allows many things too...liker taking classes for higher grades, and allowing plenty of CC credit toward degree. I think the 12 hours of CC credit while enrolled is fair and available at TU.

I think the major difference is the course offerings and degrees offered.

What college would you put a HPER program in? Do we have a teaching/education school?

 

[TUBballJunkie]

Originally posted by TU Man:
I agree BLA

Good research, but TU allows many things too...liker taking classes for higher grades, and allowing plenty of CC credit toward degree. I think the 12 hours of CC credit while enrolled is fair and available at TU.

I think the major difference is the course offerings and degrees offered.

What college would you put a HPER program in? Do we have a teaching/education school?

Agreed.

We now have two schools of education. One for more traditional studies, one for urban education. There's a coaching path that goes with elementary or secondary education.

I have an education degree. It was 90% just showing up.

My main objection to hper is that it is such a limiting degree. You can do those jobs with an elementary or secondary degree yet also have many other teaching options. I even spent a week during student teaching doing PE myself.

There are so few phys Ed and health jobs...you need to be able to teach something with a book. It's not fair to student athletes most of whom won't play last college to not give the, more meaningful pieces of paper when they graduate.

 

[TUBballJunkie]

And check out the teacher certification option for Ex Sports Science at TU. (My copy paste function is still busted)

It's basically just a meatier hper with a more official name.

 

[TU_BLA]

TU Man, there is currently a HPER program but it is called something different. It was re-developed around 2001-2002 and combines a number of nursing and education courses to involve the science behind physical activity and training as well as ensuring the individuals meet the basic education courses including educational theory to teach/coach at a HS level. I know several of the individuals from the Nursing dept. that helped develop the program. It is definitely not one of those "athlete" majors as it has its share of difficult classes and requirements. With the advent of the coming college of health sciences, I Would anticipate more opportunities to develop more majors in this area.
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