Sobering Comments on the Portal: ex Miami Coach
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Is this about Jim Larranaga and his hatred of NIL and the portal and why he retired? I hate that some old school coaches, the guys that can sell a school and a degree and are damn good coaches to boot, are leaving the profession because it's no longer about developing young men into grown adults who can function in society. Basically whether or not you can land a prized transfer recruit hinges solely on the amount of NIL money you can offer...and then if he has eligibility left you need to up that amount to ward off any poachers. These are coaches who excelled at relationship building. Now, why the hell would you waste the time getting to know a player or his parents when there's a 75% chance they're leaving after 1 season.
I mean think about it, what Nevin Shapiro did with Miami and the $$$ he gave players to play there (among other things he gave them) would all be legal in today's NCAA world (well, maybe the providing prostitutes would not be legal in the eyes of the NCAA 😆). Of course Shapiro's fraudulent business wouldn't be legal under anyone's standards (except for maybe the current Federal gov't executive branch) but most of that happened after his influence on the "U".
Basically he said that after Miami made the final four he went in to talk to the players and 8 of them told him they were entering the portal. He said “why, don’t you like it here” and the reply was, yeah we like Miami and everything is great here but we can go somewhere else and make money. At that point he had to ask himself what is this all about?
OK. I knew that was the reason he retired. Same with Jay Wright at Villanova, same with Tony Bennett at UVA. Hell, Geno Auriemma is about done with the game too because it's becoming a problem in the women's game. Hayley Van Lith has been at 3 schools in 3 years and she's one of the best women's players in college basketball.
It's making the game unwatchable. Until NCAA schools start doing multi-year contracts with players and requesting a buyout attached, this stupidity is going to continue.
Basically, they are acting like coaches. Coaches do well, and then they bounce for millions more at a bigger school. I am sure Jim felt very bad when left Bowling Green and American International.
It's all bizarre. How many of these players make more than 98% of the professors on campus?
These are professional athletes now, and they are bitching about the vitriol they are getting on social media. They deserve every bit of it. Sorry guys, you have no loyalty. You left for money and aren't performing.
It's all bizarre. How many of these players make more than 98% of the professors on campus?
These are professional athletes now, and they are bitching about the vitriol they are getting on social media. They deserve every bit of it. Sorry guys, you have no loyalty. You left for money and aren't performing.
Easy fix - coach leaves, they get a free transfer. Otherwise this transferring every year is ridiculous. Coaches don’t coach at 4 schools in 5 years. So the comparison there isn’t even relevant anymore.
You might be right about WBB but your two examples are pretty far off. Also, the WBB dynamics are weird since a college player can make substantially more from NIL than they will in pay from the WNBA. They are first and foremost motivated by where they'll maximize NIL, which likely is not in the WNBA. They also can't really declare early for the WNBA so transferring is the only way to "go pro" at a higher rate.
Wisconsin had a multi-year contract for a player and the player left anyway to go to Miami and now the courts are involved. So it's not clear multi-year contracts work.
Maybe the contract should require payback of scholarship (tuition and living allowance), expense of weight/exercise/nutrition training, cost of coaching time invested at the expense of other players, etc… If the courts don’t support multi-year contracts in this situation then why should professional athlete contracts, business employment contracts, etc…. enforceable? Slippery slope.
Konkol's philosophy was patterned after Jim Larranaga . I think he is learning that it takes a completely different approach than 10 years ago. But can he change or is he just ingrained in the "build a program from Freshman- Senior and enjoy the players growth over 4 years" as was common 10 years ago?
In other news, inept management announces it’s the fans fault his program cannot meet expectations then wonders aloud why premium season ticket purchases are plummeting across the country.
I expect this to be common once the House settlement is approved. Several soccer teams are already moving in that direction where “sale on” clauses are common in that professional sport. Those clauses protect investments in development like the fixed costs mentioned in the previous message by giving the originating club a portion of the sale value if the player is sold to a third team or successive teams. For some lower division teams in Europe, sale on revenue can be a significant plurality of the budget.
NCAA needs to hold the line and take away the NIL. The state of California is the one pushing this passing that legislation saying that the students will be paid. They need to hold the line and go back to the way it was and ensure that all California schools be listed as ineligible for any post season. There needs to be some kind of governance over this. Until there is then California and any state that adopts the NIL thing should have all schools banned from the postseason
The courts are ruling for nil. You can't do much about that, no matter how tall the ncaa stands.
We've seen that from Eddie Sutton, Rick Pitino, Kelvin Sampson, Wade @McNeese, and Chris Beard.........all disgraced coaches who someone would take with the baggage and made them successful again. Tulsa might have been a good restart place for them but we have never had an AD willing to take a chance.
As my mother used to say “ Wichita can go to hell and Houston can go straight to hell”.
Across the board they are significantly higher rated than Tulsa academically except for a few select programs. And have been for the past 5 to 10 years.
You mean a Board. We’ve had a few ADs willing to take chances.
Indeed I place Haith in the baggage category and that hire … don’t get me started.
As a follow up to a previous message, I’ve heard reports that this last fall as much as 40% of Washington States NIL money was returned to it or not paid out because players did not honor the full length of the commitment or the school was owed compensation as a condition of transfer. If true, this could be a significant source of revenue for TU if we stop recruiting players for priorities other than improving on field potential and structure the offers/rosters in the correct way.
California is trying to force the creation of a player’s union. With the idea that the union(s) that have significant political sway in CA would be selected as representatives.
Wow. That's surprising to know.
My only connection to TU academics was when I use to interview graduating business degree students for jobs.
I always thought the TU students were higher caliber than the OU or OSU students.
The challenge of hiring TU students was 90% of them wanted to go back home to St.Louis, Dallas, etc.
Dont get me started on the business school. They have some great people over there and they desperately need stable leadership, adequate funding, and a downtown business environment that does more than attend our luncheons then hire kids from wherever they and their boss went to school.
You’d also be surprised to know that several of the thought leaders that helped make the UH transformation possible have ties to TU and Tulsa. Despite their pleas and obvious credentials, we did not listen. Houston did and found benefactors at the federal and state level as well as the private sector.
I think the WI case was just about eligibility not payments tho I didn't read the filings. They tried to keep the player from being eligible at Miami.
Obviously what works at Houston wouldn't necessarily work at TU. Feels like Monday morning quarterbacking to me. The whole world's geniuses looking in retrospect, unless you're dough boy and somebody's kept all the receipts 😂 For the record, I supported all the good ideas and opposed all the bad ideas.
Just a little jaded these days. I really want to be positive about TU, but it’s become harder and harder over the years. I love TU through and through… maybe I just need a shot of good news.
We all tolerate our leadership. In this case, the leadership on and off campus that thought Gerry Clancy was a leader and problem solver.
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