Seeding
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My bad....realtimerpi is apparently no longer real time
. Didn’t think I would have needed to check the date.
My bad....realtimerpi is apparently no longer real time
This is probably the best team that Loyola has had since Alfredrick Hughes played for them back in the 80s. They may have made the Sweet 16 back then too.
The committee seemed to do a VERY poor job of seeding this year. It seems like there have been more upsets than normal.
I didn’t think the NCAA seeding was particularly bad this year. There is way more parity this year. There are also few dominant teams. I think more upsets were expected because of the parity.
The NIT, with it’s home court advantage for the higher seed, should have less upsets. If you watched the NCAA games, you could hear the crowd get behind the underdog in the upsets.
The NIT, with it’s home court advantage for the higher seed, should have less upsets. If you watched the NCAA games, you could hear the crowd get behind the underdog in the upsets.
I expected upsets but not this many this early.
It's been fun!
Maybe it shows the committee did a bad job but aston would complain if they gave him a gold bar because it was too heavy and soft so, his thoughts are easily dismissed.
I think there was just more parity thus year and when you get in a tournament environment, anything can happen... thus no real D1 playoffs.
And this is where their predictors (RPI, Q1 wins, strength of schedule) do the mid-majors and injustice by seeding them so low. But then again, maybe it's the power conferences who get artificial rankings boosts because of their conference affiliations that the injustice ends up being directed. Loyola is really really good. Buffalo was really good. Nevada is really good. How would you like to be a 5 or 6 seed staring down those barrels for the 1st round. And those are just the teams that won. There were 4-5 other games that lower seeds were in and winning and got taken out at the buzzer. Hell, we were within 2 minutes of a #16 seed advancing to the Sweet 16, and UMBC didn't even play that well yesterday.
At the time the tournament started, UMBC was the third worst team in the tournament according to kenpom. Similarly, Loyola was ranked 45 on kenpom at that time which would put them in the 10 to 12 seed range. I think the committee was influenced more by the advanced metrics this year than in the past.
Need to give kudos to K State for even making it to the Sweet 16 without their leading scorer and rebounder in the lineup. I think Kentucky gives them a reality check.
the sweet 16 round is where the contenders are identified and the pretenders are ousted. In TU's 3 trips, I knew that TU would beat Miami, but not the previous times vs. Ark (champ) and U Mass (Calipari's first round of cheating).
The seeding on the women’s side is almost as bad. Two #3 seeds going down to 11-seeded MAC teams (Ohio State getting drilled by Central Michigan, Florida State down 15 w/ 3 minutes left to Buffalo). #4 UGA losing to #5 Duke by almost 30
Just another sign that there are better players going to a lot of different schools in both men’s and women’s basketball. There is parity everywhere and there are really good teams in every conference. It took longer for that parity to reach women’s basketball where it was nearly a given that the top 16 teams advanced to the sweet 16 every year. As we’ve seen now, that’s not the case anywhere
...and then there is this about Loyola of Chicago.....
The 1963 NCAA University Division Basketball Tournament involved 25 schools playing in single-elimination play to determine the national champion of men's NCAA Division I college basketball in the United States. It began on March 9, 1963, and ended with the championship game on March 23 in Louisville, Kentucky. A total of 29 games were played, including a third-place game in each region and a national third-place game.
Loyola University Chicago, coached by George Ireland, won the national title with a 60–58 overtime victory in the final game, over the University of Cincinnati, coached by Ed Jucker. Art Heyman, of Duke University, was named the tournament's Most Outstanding Player. This tournament marked the last time that a city was host to two straight Final Fours.
The 1963 NCAA University Division Basketball Tournament involved 25 schools playing in single-elimination play to determine the national champion of men's NCAA Division I college basketball in the United States. It began on March 9, 1963, and ended with the championship game on March 23 in Louisville, Kentucky. A total of 29 games were played, including a third-place game in each region and a national third-place game.
Loyola University Chicago, coached by George Ireland, won the national title with a 60–58 overtime victory in the final game, over the University of Cincinnati, coached by Ed Jucker. Art Heyman, of Duke University, was named the tournament's Most Outstanding Player. This tournament marked the last time that a city was host to two straight Final Fours.
I think this current single elimination format of March Madness might just catch on.
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Can you imagine the 15 year old kid(s) that was/is fan(s) of Loyola in 1963. They now are 70 years old. Probably telling his buddy "I knew we could get back to being a basketball powerhouse". Too bad he/they waited 55 years.
This better not happen to Tulsa.
GO TU!!!!!
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17 years and counting. We had three golden hires in the 20 years before. At this point, not so much. Maybe the next 20 will be different. I'm willing to give Haith two or three years more, because of extenuating circumstances.('19 & '20 recruiting classes could jump start it back to something special) We had three bad hires to start it off.
The bad hire was Buzz. Few credentials and little proven worth and apparently the best thing going for him was he was Michael Jordan's roommate at UNC. Did nothing for recruiting. The worst part about it was the guy who should have been hired was already on campus. Buzz doesn't get hired, we probably avoid John Phillips and the 10 year disaster that followed
Buzz underachieved with the talent here and like Wojcik, was waiting for the first train out of town.
Interesting that his NCAA 1st round appearance in 99-00 was his only one ever and his year at Tulsa was one of only 9 winning seasons he had.
Probably the worst thing that happened at that time was Billy Gillispie not applying for the TU job and instead having Norm Roberts go for it. I don’t know if that was Self’s recommendation so he could keep Billy at Illinois or not but Gillispie would have continued a good pipeline of Tulsa type players just like he did with Dante. And yes we would have lost Billy too eventually.
Buzzard, Douglas, Manning - this is why I’m in favor of giving Frank some more time. I’m not super optimistic about frank but I’m less optimistic about dipping back into that pool of “talent”. I think we should be sure with Frank because the grass often isn’t greener on the other side and then you’re locked in to another 6 years of purgatory if you get it wrong.
I get that, but TU would have had 2-3 years of Billy Clyde, good recruiting, etc. to keep the momentum for whoever was next up.
If Billy Clyde had maintained or three more years we could have been on the way to Gonzaga/Butler/Wichita St. level long term success. The coaches that would have wanted to succeed Billy would have been a better pool.
Does anybody remember who was in it when we hired Buzz.(besides Norm)
Does anybody remember who was in it when we hired Buzz.(besides Norm)
Between Jason Rabedeaux and then Billy G., UTEP was the hotbed of coaches who would go on to be chewed up and spit out by a mean system.
Billy got the UK job after UTEP right? UK was where we got chewed up...between the ridiculous pressure of UK and his addictions, it was a bad mix for him. Then the Texas Tech disaster.
IMO, his problem was jumping too quickly from job to job. Granted, if Kentucky comes calling and you're their guy, you go, no matter how long you've been at your current job. There's maybe 6 programs in the country you would do that for. I just don't think he ever stayed in one place long enough to handle the mounting pressure that success brings. Had he learned how to manage it in one place, he may have been able to handle it at the next level, and then again at the highest level.
Last I heard he needed a kidney and a coaches wife who didn’t know him donated hers. Haven’t heard he’s received it yet. Story attached.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article201424789.html
Along with being a terrible coach the worst thing about Buzz'a tenure is the Tulsa World's use of his smiling mug on TU's sports page. Please remove this blight on our University!!!
The Buzz year was not the disaster. Yes, that team should have won NCAA tournament games instead of the NIT. But, it was successful enough with a good enough returning cast to draw excellent replacement candidates. The disaster was overreacting to the loss of another coach and picking a guy that had no business being the coach of a successful program.
Thank you Kansas fan for being our superhero Captain Obvious, when we could not see...
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