What on God's green earth are we doing scheduling home games with North Carolina A&T next season?
Yea, that'll get the fans out.
Yea, that'll get the fans out.
Scheduling
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We've dug ourselves a big hole on needing home dates in the short-term. Very little room for decent home and homes and if we lose a home game (did Toledo get moved or did they just bail?) who do you think is going to give us a one off home game?
Frankly it's NC A&T or nobody without bailing on some of our own away commitments.
Frankly it's NC A&T or nobody without bailing on some of our own away commitments.
Unless the Tulsa World reported in incorrectly they just delayed the game until 2020. A bad game for next year probably because Toledo asked for a delay, I don't think that is equivalent to the bell tolling on TU football. Over react much???
Note to Gmoney.
Been watching TU football since 1949. Looking at our coming FB schedules. They are trending downward Playing A & T
does nothing for our fans or the program. Dr. Gragg doesn't listen to our fans and our future schedules reflect that I don't think Coach Montgomery will want to play that type opponent and Tulsa can do a lot better.
They are not trending downward. It's a trade off we've created for big payday road games ourselves.
For every single game at a ND or a Texas or an Ohio State, or uneven deals with OU and OSU, we have to fill the lopsided home schedule with teams that will give us just one game at home.
A slate of home and homes that makes us all happy would mean eliminating (or at least drastically reducing) those deals. Because we don't have room to put those on our near term schedule the way we've been building those road games.
It's really pretty simple and I've been on this soapbox a looooong time.
For every single game at a ND or a Texas or an Ohio State, or uneven deals with OU and OSU, we have to fill the lopsided home schedule with teams that will give us just one game at home.
A slate of home and homes that makes us all happy would mean eliminating (or at least drastically reducing) those deals. Because we don't have room to put those on our near term schedule the way we've been building those road games.
It's really pretty simple and I've been on this soapbox a looooong time.
Yes better schedules would be nice, no our schedule has not taken a drastic spiral downward. And I don't care how long you've been a fan of TU, that has no bearing on this issue, as an aside I've been watch TU sports for 35 years, not that really matters on the circumstance. In the nearly 15 years recent past, under other Athletic Directors, we have had these teams on the schedule: Texas St..(2003), SW Missouri St, Stephen F Austin, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston St., Nichols St., & Florida Atlantic. We have had a crappy team on the schedule a little bit more than every other year. So if Gragg has a team pull out on him at the last minute, and is forced to schedule a lousy team, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. This has little to do with listening to our fans or not. You make a specious argument and somewhat ad hominem argument.
All those teams that were mentioned above except for FAU are in states that either border Oklahoma or are in our immediate footprint - drivable games for our fans and theirs. What has been alarming is that we are suddenly adopting a philosophy of scheduling teams we have nothing in common with. Will we ever recruit a player from North Carolina, Ohio, even Florida? I don't think those states are a high priority right now with PM in charge. And not many fans will be going to a game in beautiful downtown Toledo any time soon. And Florida is nice, but don't we have some conference games there in the near future with better programs? It just makes no sense.
If I were someone in the administration, i'd write a letter of explanation on scheuling and do it quickly.
IMO
People honestly think Gragg has some realistic potential list of brilliant opponents to fill ONE open home game for 2016 with this kind of notice? Come on.
As irritated as I am about scheduling overall, this was just a desperate and unfortunate spot to be in and we had to find a warm body.
As irritated as I am about scheduling overall, this was just a desperate and unfortunate spot to be in and we had to find a warm body.
Note to GMoney. Recommend that you review WWW.FBS Schedules.com. In the past year such teams as Arizona, VANDERBILT and others had openings for 2016. Why don't we pursue decent home games? SCRIMMAGE with A &T
does nothing period. We are trending downward. Where are the Fresnos etc. on our home schedules. Perhaps we should play NESU.
does nothing period. We are trending downward. Where are the Fresnos etc. on our home schedules. Perhaps we should play NESU.
Must disagree on Ohio and Florida. Those 2 states are very fertile recruiting grounds and being part of the AAC automatically provides TU exposure in those states. (CIN, UCF, USF) I don't see any negatives playing non-conferences games in states where a conference resides member resides, it means additional exposure.
TX
There is much more to scheduling than picking out programs that "might" give TU and 1 for 1, because they have an opening. That opening might exist because they want an open date that particular week. Now days 12-14 member conferences are scheduling conference games in Sept, which easily becomes a conflict for all parties involved. When another program backs out on short notice, sometimes you have limited options filling a home date.
I do agree NC A&T is a pretty pathetic substitute, in general MEAC football is on the bottom of the the FCS totem pole. In the past TU has looked to the Southland or MVFC for FCS opponents. How about North Dakota State? Playing the top FCS program trumps most anyone from the MAC, C-USA, or Sun Belt. I would not be surprised if NDSU only plays at TU if they are given a return game... ..
....... or at least a 2nd game at a neutral site like Arrowhead. Then again those bigger paydays NDSU is used to may become extinct as they continue to beat up on the big boys in big boy stadiums. TX
Maybe Arizona & Vanderbilt didn't want to play us.
Once again, though u evade the real issue. The issue is that the 2 or 3 ADs we had before Gragg didn't do much better than Gragg, including N. Carolina's AD, who had Graham and Malzahn's teams for advertising. U are slamming him for not pulling in somebody, with most everybody already scheduled up. No AD can perform very well with the urgency of next year's schedule staring him in the face. Hardly anybody tries to schedule a game for the NEXT YEAR's roster of nonconference games, unless forced, which was likely what happened with Toledo. U can go down with this sinking ship of an argument if u want, but I think most people on this board would just say u were a little harsh on the AD for something that was out of his/her, or any other AD's control.
Once again, though u evade the real issue. The issue is that the 2 or 3 ADs we had before Gragg didn't do much better than Gragg, including N. Carolina's AD, who had Graham and Malzahn's teams for advertising. U are slamming him for not pulling in somebody, with most everybody already scheduled up. No AD can perform very well with the urgency of next year's schedule staring him in the face. Hardly anybody tries to schedule a game for the NEXT YEAR's roster of nonconference games, unless forced, which was likely what happened with Toledo. U can go down with this sinking ship of an argument if u want, but I think most people on this board would just say u were a little harsh on the AD for something that was out of his/her, or any other AD's control.
Note to GMoney. Whole present Scheduling Philosophy stinks. Playing a prostitute game like OU. Ohio State. then a WAC
Conference USA and two dogs such as A & T and Arky St doesn't give the team or the fans reason to be proud. Think that we all want to see TU do well but Gragg and other TU administrators are afraid to give more than lip service to the athletic
program. Gragg is a Vanderbilt graduate and I know for a fact Vandy and Arizona had openings in the right time frame.Houston has a series coming up with AZ.We need to press the administration to ELEVATE as we are being asked by the Hurricane Club to do. Playing A & T and other such teams is heading the program in the wrong direction.
Conference USA and two dogs such as A & T and Arky St doesn't give the team or the fans reason to be proud. Think that we all want to see TU do well but Gragg and other TU administrators are afraid to give more than lip service to the athletic
program. Gragg is a Vanderbilt graduate and I know for a fact Vandy and Arizona had openings in the right time frame.Houston has a series coming up with AZ.We need to press the administration to ELEVATE as we are being asked by the Hurricane Club to do. Playing A & T and other such teams is heading the program in the wrong direction.
OSU took quite a bit of heat when they scheduled a MEAC team in 2012.....a 84-0 drubbing of Savannah State. The top half of D2 is better than the MEAC. Would have rather seen a decent D2 like Northern Iowa or one of the Texas teams rather than a squad from the MEAC. This game should be little more than a glorified scrimmage.
Northern Iowa is a D-1 school from the FCS side.. the side that crowns the true champion of NCAA D-1 not the side that selects some teams to play in a makeshift made for TV extravaganza...
At one point in the Graham era we had four starters from Florida, including a scholarship kicker.
On September 17. 2016, which was our home game with Toledo Toledo is now playing Fresno State at home and BYU later in the month and we got NC A & T. Lots of luck Tulsa> Gragg owes us all an explanation for this latest scheduling fiasco and in fact he has done nothing in the scheduling area. It would not bother me to see him gone.
My guess, just that, is that TU got a decent sized check from Toledo to move the game, and that after finding the only available opponent, TU came out $100K or more to the good. Outside of the P5, programs struggle to make the bucks necessary to compete at the DI level.
I'm not thrilled about the game, but I don't mind scheduling a home win to start the season either.
I'm not thrilled about the game, but I don't mind scheduling a home win to start the season either.
You're actually helping prove my point. And the reason is that we already can recruit Florida because of our two league brothers in Tampa and Orlando - we don't need FAU, FIU or any other Florida team anymore imo. And as for Ohio, I'm pretty sure there is no recruiting connection in that state anymore unless we can cherry pick a player I'm not familiar with. But we played Bowling Green, will play Toledo and Ohio St shortly and on top of that, Cincinnati is our league brother. So if we are going to schedule all these Ohio teams maybe we should start convincing our new coach from Texas to start recruting there instead of Dallas, Ft Worth or Houston.
Houston also plays Vandy at home this year and plays both OU and Louisville at home in 2016.
Houston is fertile recruiting ground. Tulsa not so much.
