Rick Dickson
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I prefer almond joys personally. But I’m a team player, we can go the Mounds route.
Well that may not be far off... all the major sports and broadcasters are embracing sportsbooks and TU has a casino as a major sponsor... dont really think the hypocrisy can hold out much longer..
I don't think it's being held out of hypocrisy. It's being adhered to out of the fact/fear that it is a slippery slope. If you let those that are involved in sports as a player/coach/AD etcetera bet on games it is way too easy for them to get in a bind, and be influenced to throw games or give inside information that can aid someone who has a wager.
There is most definitely some hypocrisy, but I don't think that hypocrisy is what is responsible for holding him out. They don't want anybody involved in sports to think they will be released from punishment later in life, if they just wait it out. Then there's commercials like the one in the post before, that allow him to profit from his situation, and us to laugh. So in some ways it is just spitting in the wind. But I still think it is necessary.
It is still necessary as a deterrent, not because Pete may have repented and now 'deserves' it.
If you commit a crime in 2020 and are sentenced to 10 years in jail, but in 2023 that activity is made not illegal anymore, should your conviction be overturned, or should you get out? You broke the law at the time in 2020. An interesting philosophical question.
I agree with the prohibition on gambling.. but i still think its hypocrisy when the MLB, NFL, NCAA, NBA, NHL, etc all are sponsored by sports books and their broadcasts and commentators offer special in game parlays on the game(s) being broadcast in that time slot.. or have pregame shows disussing point spreads.. or in game casino promotions ..
The people on this board want to win. I want to win. But its hard to compete with monty's one and two star recruits.
Talk about hypocrisy. An NHL player was recently suspended for betting on games. His team currently has the name/logo of a sportsbook on their helmets. An EPL player, Ivan Toney, playes for Brentford and was suspended for half the EPL season this year for "gambling offences". Brentford's primary jersey sponsor is Hollywood Bets. So it's OK for the teams to profit and take $$$ from the sportsbooks but not OK for the players to be patrons of those sponsors?
Clearly you haven’t read enough of his posts.
The endowment has Zero to do with the athletic department unless funds were specifically earmarked as such, and I highly doubt that much if any was. Dickson's job was to bring money in to deal with immediate needs while at Tulane, and those funds would have been expended as they came in. If you approach it from that perspective, he did a helluva a job putting them on a footing that allows them to see the recent success and bright future they enjoy.
Being that both are new to the job and inherited programs that were in absolute shamble due to Gragg's poor hires and management the jury is still out on Konkol and Wilson. By the end of this season we should have a good read on the trajectory of Konkol.
Regarding Wilson, I look at the results in the classroom, both attendance and academic improvement, as major wins! The on-field improvement was always going to be a crap shoot this season. Monty put little to no effort into recruiting the past couple of seasons and what were seeing is the result of that. He certainly needs another year before any real assessment of the trajectory of the onfield product. Onfield discipline has improved, recruiting seems to be at a much higher level,in general play calling is much more palletable, and clock managment is not an issue; small but important victories. SMU was a unforseen in the manner it unfolded as both terrible and embarassing loss that only the dudes in the locker room know why it happened, and that stuff needs purged.
I think we end up with the same win total as last season and see strong improvement next. If not then I get to eat my crow...
Dickson has made at least one excellent proven hire in Nelp...
Indiana was 5-7 the year before KW was hired, then went 1-11 in KW's first year. Then improved steadily and went to bowls in 2015 (their first since 2007) and 2016 (back to back bowls the first time since 90/91).
The guy who followed him went 5-7, 5-7, 8-5 and 6-2 with KW's recruits, and since then is 2-10, 4-8 and 2-6 this year.
I don't know anything about IU football and don't care, but it seemed to take KW a couple years to get his thing set in Bloomington with recruits, culture, etc.
You don’t get credit for records 4 years after you were fired lol.If you did, then could we blame Monty’s 2 & 3 win seasons on Bill Blankenships last couple years?
Could we credit John Phillips with Wojcik‘s CBI & NIT runs? Does Manning get credit for 2 NCAA runs and Haith get credit for none?
Does Kieth Burns get credit for Kragthorpe’s C-USA championship?!?!? Lmao.
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At risk of being accused of "melting" again (shout out to the OG melter, Gmoney), I guess I'll respond to this. It's interesting and extremely telling that in this SI article about Tulane boosting it's athletic department budget Rick Dickson isn't mentioned a single time:
Inside Tulane’s Near-Miraculous Turnaround That Almost Never Happened
The Green Wave have survived a lot—including two administrative attempts to shut down football. Now they’re on their way to one of their best seasons in program history.
In fact, this article seems to directly contradict the fact that Dickson was the catalyst for the budget growing:
"When Dannen arrived at Tulane in December of 2015, the football program was in a state of disrepair. In the previous 13 years, the Green Wave had one winning season and three coaches. The buzz around the university was oh-so familiar: do they really care about sports? 'It was broken. When I got here, people questioned the commitment of the institution,' says Dannen..."
Unless rusty-c and co. have the inside scoop that Dickson's fundraising was truly the catalyst for the Tulane turnaround (which is certainly possible), it definitely seems like that was not the case. Regardless, I'm also confused as to why Dickson allegedly fundraising at Tulane despite his abysmal hiring record is a valid defense of his. Is fundraising what he was primarily brought here to do?
The fact is Dickson has only hired 4 football coaches in his career - Bob Toledo, Mark Hutson (interim), Curtis Johnson and now KW. He inherited Dave Rader during his first stint at Tulsa and Mike Price during his stint at Wazzu. 3 of his 4 hires have been atrocious and the jury is obviously still out on KW. It seems like we're doing quite a bit of mental gymnastics to defend Dickson in order to justify the KW hire, especially if his one "proven" hire in his career is a women's basketball coach. No matter how much leeway we extend to Dickson about his alleged fundraising prowess, the facts are the facts when it comes to his hiring history. Yet again - I certainly hope KW pans out, but I have big time concerns about Dickson's ability to hire a good coach based on his track record.
LOL, people are always talking about a guy winning with someone else's recruits or losing bc the guy before left nobody. It's obvious to everyone that there is carry over. Unless it supports a point you don't like of course. You expect a coach to make the most of what is left for him and build better, and the farther out you get, the more it's the new coach's responsibility either good or bad. I can't believe I have to explain this.
Yes, I think Monty's fourth season is entirely BB's fault. you caught me, bc I'm stupid, how did you know?? Wait, what, it's a matter of degree and not just black and white? Too complicated for my tiny brain!!
You'd have to look at each season to see when critical players came in. Quick look at 2019 for IU, their starting QB and top 4 WRs were Jrs or Srs, so either KW's last class or transfers. Monty was different. Monty's 2nd year had a lot of key seniors that had carried over, and his 3rd year was more his own guys. So Monty's 2nd season is analogous to the IU guy's 3rd year.
This is one piece of evidence for the idea that KW can recruit well, tho not as strong of evidence as what looks to be a really good class next year. It's a big, complex problem, sorry to ask you to process that.
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The jury is definitely still out of KW....it's only been half a season. Dickson has made marked improvement in resources for all athletes, improving the campus and gameday atmosphere, and improving the old Golden Hurricane Club. My guess is he will be retiring soon enough, and the replacement will hopefully elevate us to even greater successes. And Brad Carson will still be our prez, which is a huge plus.
But overall I would give Dickson a very good score for improving the crumbling infrastructure that was beyond needing addressing. And one other thing needs to be said: it's easy to "armchair AD". Everyone needs to be donating to the Champions Fund and the Hurricane Impact NIL group....having sufficient funds to recruit and retain better players makes any coach better.
But overall I would give Dickson a very good score for improving the crumbling infrastructure that was beyond needing addressing. And one other thing needs to be said: it's easy to "armchair AD". Everyone needs to be donating to the Champions Fund and the Hurricane Impact NIL group....having sufficient funds to recruit and retain better players makes any coach better.
The last sentence is becoming the real answer to winning athletic programs.
Speaking of the Hurricane Impact NIL group, I received an email that they will have a tent at the Commons tailgate area this Saturday. It's pretty much in the middle of the Commons. I would strongly encourage everyone stop by and meet the folks who run it. Find out what you can do to help the program we all love.
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I agree... To me the most important thing for him to accomplish since his hiring is a change of culture. Go to class, make grades, cut out the boneheaded extracurricular stuff on the field, install part of his playbook, and teach the players how to practice. I believe all of those Monty hangovers that don't want to buy in will create a large turnover at the end of the season and with the help of the portal he might get it together in a year or maybe two. If that doesn't happen, those that thought he was a bad hire will be justified. I just believe that playing armchair QB at this time is fruitless.
I have no inside scoop, but the money doesn't start flowing without a foundation being set in advance. One fact that is hard to argue is that Dickson has greatly increased the financial support since arriving.At risk of being accused of "melting" again (shout out to the OG melter, Gmoney), I guess I'll respond to this. It's interesting and extremely telling that in this SI article about Tulane boosting it's athletic department budget Rick Dickson isn't mentioned a single time:
Inside Tulane’s Near-Miraculous Turnaround That Almost Never Happened
The Green Wave have survived a lot—including two administrative attempts to shut down football. Now they’re on their way to one of their best seasons in program history.www.si.com
In fact, this article seems to directly contradict the fact that Dickson was the catalyst for the budget growing:
"When Dannen arrived at Tulane in December of 2015, the football program was in a state of disrepair. In the previous 13 years, the Green Wave had one winning season and three coaches. The buzz around the university was oh-so familiar: do they really care about sports? 'It was broken. When I got here, people questioned the commitment of the institution,' says Dannen..."
Unless rusty-c and co. have the inside scoop that Dickson's fundraising was truly the catalyst for the Tulane turnaround (which is certainly possible), it definitely seems like that was not the case. Regardless, I'm also confused as to why Dickson allegedly fundraising at Tulane despite his abysmal hiring record is a valid defense of his. Is fundraising what he was primarily brought here to do?
The fact is Dickson has only hired 4 football coaches in his career - Bob Toledo, Mark Hutson (interim), Curtis Johnson and now KW. He inherited Dave Rader during his first stint at Tulsa and Mike Price during his stint at Wazzu. 3 of his 4 hires have been atrocious and the jury is obviously still out on KW. It seems like we're doing quite a bit of mental gymnastics to defend Dickson in order to justify the KW hire, especially if his one "proven" hire in his career is a women's basketball coach. No matter how much leeway we extend to Dickson about his alleged fundraising prowess, the facts are the facts when it comes to his hiring history. Yet again - I certainly hope KW pans out, but I have big time concerns about Dickson's ability to hire a good coach based on his track record.
Several quotes from the story are eerily familiar to what was going on at TU on several occasions..
"The buzz around the university was oh-so familiar: Do they really care about sports?"
“It was broken. When I got here, people questioned the commitment of the institution,” says Dannen, an Iowan who had been AD at Northern Iowa. “That’s not the case any longer.”
Good news for TU is that we have a president in place that is academically focused, fiscally responsible and supportive of athletics.
Others surely have a better idea of what our atheltic department than I do, but I believe I heard mention that ours is in the 35-40 million dollar range versus the 50 million that is being reported as the current budget at Tulane. An extra 10-15 million certainly allows doors to open and conversations to happen when filling staffing positions and providing for the needs of the athletes.
Dickson also hired a pretty solid men's hoops coach named Tubby Smith. I know, it was a long time ago.....
The latest number I saw quoted was $49m for our athletic budget.
Tulane has the lowest budget in the conference at around $35m.
They’re definitely getting the most bang for their buck.
Henry, respectfully, I find it a bit rich that you commented earlier telling me that I was "melting" and then follow that up by insinuating that I'm being an "armchair AD." Dickson has a very well established history of making poor football coaching hires, regardless of his budget or the surrounding circumstances, and it is extremely fair for me to be skeptical of KW as a result. Improving fan experience, fundraising, gameday atmosphere, the Golden Hurricane Club, etc. is a great thing and should be celebrated, but none of those matter if the product on the field still stinks. I have reiterated numerous times that it is still very early and KW could very well end up being great, but my worries about Dickson's (football coach) hiring ability are not unfounded. Again, the entire point of the post was simply to highlight Dickson's poor track record when it comes to hiring football coaches. This is a topic I have not seen anyone else mention in this forum, which is what prompted me to write my original post. If that makes me an "armchair AD" then so be it.
I’ve tried to be level headed and read your point of view. And you’ve made your point. Repeatedly. Do you have any other thoughts or are you going to just keep repeating the same opinion ad nauseam?
It's almost like I've had to repeat my point ad nauseum because I get constant replies about "fundraising" or being a "Monty lover" etc. etc. which have literally nothing to do with my original post. God forbid I respond reiterating the only thing I was trying to say in the first place. But hey man, appreciate you stepping in here.
way back when, Wetumka was ranked #11 in class A (11 man) we went to Mounds and they ruined it........
Hopefully after this evening, TU fans will have something positive to latch onto… we need a win (in either major sport) because a string of losses, like we’ve seen in football, will bring down even the best of fanbases.
Kevin Wilson walked into this job with the players that Monty had recruited, which were quite limited in depth. Wilson needs time, he's proved that he can recruit better than Monty ever recruited, he needs a couple years to stock talent, Monty left this program in terrible shape.
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I used to, but after getting fired as head coach I don’t anymore.
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