Renewable energy doing better than predicted

[WATU2]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/12/9510879/iea-underestimate-renewables

 

[lawpoke87]

Good news. We obviously need to do more.

 

[TUMe]

Notice a few things from the chart. GLOBAL ECECTRIC MARKET SHARE

1. Alternate energy sources gains have came mostly from reductions in nuclear power. Fossil fuels are only a few percent lower and still around 65 percent, by eyeball could be anywhere in the low to mid 60's.

2. Electric energy is not the same as total energy. The share of total energy is much lower. That would include transportation, industrial processes, and heating that is not produced with electric but directly from fossil fuels.

Alternate energy is growing, no doubt about it but by showing percentage of electric energy, it appears to be a much larger part of total energy than it is. It will still have a long way to go before we can walk away from fossil fuels.

On transportation, Solar Impulse 2 was attempting to fly around the world this year from March to August, but broke down in June. They expect to resume the trip by April 2016. There is still a market for Jet A and Avgas. Inconvenient truth.

 

[jesterondirt]

We have a Wind farm in Texas that at one point was producing so much they had to sell it at a negative price. in other words they were paying for people to take their electricity.

 

[TUMe]

The biggest renewable is hydro, but that has probably peaked as percent of energy because damming more streams might endanger some little snail darter. Liberal causes sometimes run cross purpose.

We had a great Spring and Summer in Oklahoma, however, on hydro because every lake was flooding. They probably, like Jester's example, had more hydro power than they could sell or at least more than the capacity of the equipment in place.

 

[aTUfan]

Wind farms are great. just don't build one in Martha's Vinyard where you can see it from the Kennedy compound.

 

[rabidTU]

Oklahoma is a leading "energy" producer that is ranked in the top 10 states of the 4 leading forms of energy used in the US. No, nuclear and hydro is not included in that statement if you consider it as "leading" . So there is no incentive for us Okie's to care one way or the other except for what we believe is best for the nation's energy use. But you either have an all of the above energy "inclusion" or you don't. Washington state for instance, is at the bottom of most of those 4 charts.

BTW does renewable energy also include domesticated animals (?)- horses, cattle, oxen, buffalo, sled dogs, mighty mouse, etc.

I suggest that lieberal states like California, Mass, NY, Ill, etc do away with all fossil fuels - outlaw it just like guns. Then they can be the test case for the rest of us. They need to outlaw fossil fuels immediately, but just in those states - then see where that leads - prosperity or decline.

 

[TU Sepp]

The biggest renewable is hydro, but that has probably peaked as percent of energy because damming more streams might endanger some little snail darter. Liberal causes sometimes run cross purpose.

We had a great Spring and Summer in Oklahoma, however, on hydro because every lake was flooding. They probably, like Jester's example, had more hydro power than they could sell or at least more than the capacity of the equipment in place.

I think Oklahoma sends all it's excess electricity to Ohio at off peak prices.

 

[TU Sepp]

The biggest renewable is hydro, but that has probably peaked as percent of energy because damming more streams might endanger some little snail darter. Liberal causes sometimes run cross purpose.

We had a great Spring and Summer in Oklahoma, however, on hydro because every lake was flooding. They probably, like Jester's example, had more hydro power than they could sell or at least more than the capacity of the equipment in place.

I think Oklahoma sends all it's excess electricity to Ohio at off peak prices.

 

[TU Sepp]

The biggest renewable is hydro, but that has probably peaked as percent of energy because damming more streams might endanger some little snail darter. Liberal causes sometimes run cross purpose.

We had a great Spring and Summer in Oklahoma, however, on hydro because every lake was flooding. They probably, like Jester's example, had more hydro power than they could sell or at least more than the capacity of the equipment in place.

I think Oklahoma sends all it's excess electricity to Ohio at off peak prices.

 

[TUMe]

I'm glad to hear that, Sepp. We were able to sell all we produced, that is all that we could generate. But still but the amount generated was less because of limited capacity. That's not a fault since you can't build enough capacity for something that rarely happens. I will give the Corps of Engineers credit for managing all of the water as well as humanly possible.

 

[noble cane]

Well, hot dang!!!.

That means we can quit subsidizing all those windmills, solar projects, and ethanol projects and let them stand on their own against all other forms of energy.

That taxpayer subsidized $0.40 price break for adding the carbon heavy ethanol inefficiency to motor fuels is a joke.

 

[TUMe]

Ethanol has nothing to do with the Environment and everything to do with keeping corn states happy.