Now that the season is "PROBABLY" over since we can't accept CBI/CIT bids
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I going to go to the 6A girls championship game tomorrow. I may stick around and watch Thompson play in the 2nd game.
Wojcik and assistants were better recruiters for sure.
They weren’t as good of coaches though.
Haith has had more big wins in 3 years than Wojcik had in 7.
That said, we need to finish 2-3 next year, make it to the semis, have an RPI better than 40, and be in the NCAA’s or I’ll jump on the jackass wagon and buy the beer.
They weren’t as good of coaches though.
Haith has had more big wins in 3 years than Wojcik had in 7.
That said, we need to finish 2-3 next year, make it to the semis, have an RPI better than 40, and be in the NCAA’s or I’ll jump on the jackass wagon and buy the beer.
Maybe if those 2 or 3 extra wins were against WSU and Cincy. Otherwise, 1 good win isn’t getting them anywhere near the tournament. This team wasn’t two or three wins away.
Woj over Haith. Come on now. Look at what Wojick did at Charleston. Did you not read the stories of verbal abuse? He and Cason recruited some good players, but couldn't reach the NCAA in how many years? I believe we're top 3 conference wins since we joined the American, arguably the best conference we've played in. We're trending up. 15-17, 19-12. We have a good core heading into next year. Senior PG. No NCAA next year, probably be looking for a new coach. No more Lamar, SEOSU losses.
Others Seriously Considered (Strong CBI/CIT candidates in order): Tulsa, Indiana, Northeastern, Memphis, Marshall, Wyoming, Colorado, Illinois St., Georgetown, UNLV, Bradley, Utah Valley, Toledo, Southern Illinois, Fresno St., ETSU, South Dakota, Furman THIS IS LATEST NYC BUCKETS
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Well Wojick was a different recruiter. He got a few better players but could never recruit a team. Haith has better teams overall but can’t get the one or two difference makers. I’d say they’re about equal.
this thread is totally stupid, serious cat stupid - No to firing Haith for Tubby, who is washed up, and any discussion of the virtues (none) of Wojick is stunningly clueless
Somewhere between the time “fixing to” became “fittin’ to”. I’d much prefer if everyone could be grammatically correct and say “about to” though.
The main difference between Doug and Haith is that every now and then Haith can beat someone we aren't supposed to. Doug would not.
However, we would always beat people we were supposed to while sometimes Haith will have horrendous losses. Other than that, they are pretty equal. And this IS NOT me wanting Doug back, just comparing. Also Haith is a good guy where Doug is an idiotic jerk
However, we would always beat people we were supposed to while sometimes Haith will have horrendous losses. Other than that, they are pretty equal. And this IS NOT me wanting Doug back, just comparing. Also Haith is a good guy where Doug is an idiotic jerk
Tubby is definitely not washed up but TU isn’t Memphis. So, no to firing Haith just to hire Tubby.
Attendance became a joke under Wojcik. No one wanted to see his tap dancing routine on the sidelines and his style of ball could put a tweaker to sleep.
Also, Clarkson and McClellan wanted to leave before Wojcik was fired. In fact, there were rumors, from reliable sources, the only way they'd consider staying was if Cason was named HC.
Anyone vouching that we fired wojcik too early is truly an idiot. A flat out idiot. Gtfo of here with that nonsense. I just can’t believe what I’m reading. Wojcik could coach the golden state warriors and make them boring to watch, he couldn’t coach himself out of a wet paper bag.
And Frank likes to play "Junk Defenses".... At least he adapts he adapts to his situation, Dougie would never. Franks way better, though likely not the answer, still way better.
With those recruits Haith would have been to the dance several times. Problem to this point is Douche could get the kids on campus but couldn't win enough big games to get into the dance. Haith can put together some solid wins (as well as drop some bodybag games), develops kids, get them to class/graduation, but has yet to get that core group of kids together that Dougie wasted. Next year I think (hope) he has a great opportunity to prove how his kids and development meet and take us dancing.
So, in your opinion there are two or three extra wins (other than WSU or Cincy) on TU's schedule that would have got them in the tournament? It seems unlikely to me that 2 or 3 wins moves them from not in the NIT to in the NCAA tournament.
Funny you say that, when I was a student, the year of the CBI run, there was a group of 3-4 tweakers that would stand in front of the student section. They reeked of cigarettes and pot but could barely function. THEY WOULD HECKLE THE SHIT OUT of the opposing team, even though it rarely made any sense. The big guy in their group would threaten to kick in ballers asses, and I never got the sense he was joking.
But yes Wojcik’s style is a major bore fest.
I don’t know about 2 or 3 but I think 4 very well could have. Lamar, OSU, Iowa State, and Temple. That would have taken away our Q4 loss and added another Q1 win (maybe more, I haven’t done the math). At 23-8 without the Q4 blemish I think we would have received an at-large and those were all winnable games, two of them lost by a total of 3 points.
Beat Lamar, Cincy or Wichita, and Temple or an ISU game and we would’ve been. RPI jump would have put us in the 40’s without the terrible loss, without a not so good loss, and with a good win.
Doubt those wins alone would have put Tulsa in the NCAA. The bad loses is really what kept Tulsa out of the post season. One win for NIT would not have been enough. Tulsa must pay more attention to OOC games. Bad loses in those and your season is almost done before it starts for post season play.
When Weatherdemon was talking about “extra wins” he wasn’t talking about at the end of the season he was talking about changing just a few of those Ls to Ws. We didn’t have that many bad losses, actually Lamar was our only Q4 loss as far as I know. If we beat Lamar, beat Iowa State (which would have traded a game against ISU for one with BSU) and OSU that might have been enough. I’m pretty sure that if we had combined those with hanging on against Temple in Philly (a Q1 win) our profile would have put us safely in as an at large. We were very close to a very good season.
I agree that they would have been in the discussion under that scenario but I still think they would have needed at least one win against WSU, Cincy or Houston. I do not think one win against an NCAA tournament team (K St.) was going to get them in.
LOL....... do you understand the RPI formula?
Two more wins and Tulsa's RPI goes from mid 80's to mid 30's.
Easily in the NIT and possible at large.
GO TU!!!
I don't think you understand how the selection committee works. Buffalo (#24 RPI - 13 seed) does not get in without automatic bid; Middle Tennessee (#33 RPI) did not get in; USC (#34) did not get in; S. Dakota St. (#35 - 12 seed) does not get in without automatic bid; N. Mexico St. (#36 - 12 seed) does not get in without automatic bid; St. Mary's (#38) did not get in; Louisville (#39) did not get in.
Two extra wins against mediocre teams was not going to do it. They needed to beat someone of consequence. TU finished 0-5 v. Quadrant 1 and 3-9 v. Q1/Q2. Like I said, 2 or 3 wins may have done it if they had beat WSU or Cincy (or maybe Houston). Otherwise, it wasn't going to matter.
Wojcik could not get close to an NCAA appearance despite having Jordan and Uzoh together for what seemed like 10 years...
That was enough for me. When he could not get to the dance despite having those 2 and Hurtt. Good grief.
That was enough for me. When he could not get to the dance despite having those 2 and Hurtt. Good grief.
The NCAA regards it as a road game. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi
Takes a lot of arrogance to think you know more about a team than the team’s actual fans
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