New Rules

[TU_BLA]

Andy Katz is tweeting out the proposals:

35 to 30 second shot clock, moving the restricted area from 3ft to 4ft, applying the same principles of verticality to the offensive players as applies to a defensive player (IMO, this is overdue), reducing the # of timeouts per game from 5 to 4 with only 3 being carried to the 2nd half, TO's taken within 30 seconds of a planned media timeout will also count as a media timeout with the exception of the 1st team timeout taken in the 2nd half; AND a strict resumption of play after a timeout or fouled out player meaning when the buzzer goes off, the ball is coming in play whether your team is out there or not. He also mentioned a "Strict enforcement of defensive rules"...I have no idea what that encompasses or what it is supposed to mean. Also there is a proposal to allow video review to determine if a shot was attempted before the shot clock ran out (I thought this was a rule, but I guess not). These are only proposals, but if I had to guess I think the shot clock, restricted area, video review of shot clock violations will all pass. I like the TO ones but coaches and TV producers may not.

 

[ctt8410]

Also no live ball timeouts from the bench.

 

[Larry Lewis]

I like the changes. Could do more, but starting to limit the timeouts will help, as will a 30-second clock. Will get slightly more flow to the game.

 

[ctt8410]

I'll admit I was skeptical. There have been rule changes every year for the past decade and scoring continued to nosedive (mainly due to pace of play).

But after a week with the new rules? Teams are playing faster, shooting better, and scoring more. Scoring is up 12 points per game! (6 per team), pace is up 8 possessions per game (4 per team) and efficiency is up +3 points/100 possessions.

And the games have been fun to watch. Flowing more freely. Fewer charges. Fewer timeouts. I'm a convert. Good job, NCAA.

 

[JesseTU]

I fear it will just turn into the NBA. Run and gun where defense is mostly illegal.

- Lower the shot clock to limit set plays and strategy.
- Widen the "no defense" zone under the basket.
- Call more fouls on defenders.
- Limit timeouts (I like the media timeout and the buzzer ball is in play rules).

Of course scoring is up. Defense is down by rule and the offense is required by rule to shoot faster. From what I have seen, the rules are OK. But I fear this is the start of a trend towards NBA rules, and the NBA is barely considered basketball anymore in my book.

 

[astonmartin708]

I fear it will just turn into the NBA. Run and gun where defense is mostly illegal.

- Lower the shot clock to limit set plays and strategy.
- Widen the "no defense" zone under the basket.
- Call more fouls on defenders.
- Limit timeouts (I like the media timeout and the buzzer ball is in play rules).

Of course scoring is up. Defense is down by rule and the offense is required by rule to shoot faster. From what I have seen, the rules are OK. But I fear this is the start of a trend towards NBA rules, and the NBA is barely considered basketball anymore in my book.

The foul situation hasn't seemed that bad. I was pleading for first half fouls when we played WSU.

Speaking of rules, did anyone notice the inbounds play we got away with? It was the second time I've seen us do it (once last season) where Ray grabs the ball for inbounds, runs the baseline, then tosses the ball back to Curtis like he was the guy who was supposed to pass the ball in. Curtis then immediately passed the ball to Ray who was unguarded since he was the original inbounder late in the game.

I think we'll get called for that someday.

 

[cmullinsTU]

The foul situation hasn't seemed that bad. I was pleading for first half fouls when we played WSU.

Speaking of rules, did anyone notice the inbounds play we got away with? It was the second time I've seen us do it (once last season) where Ray grabs the ball for inbounds, runs the baseline, then tosses the ball back to Curtis like he was the guy who was supposed to pass the ball in. Curtis then immediately passed the ball to Ray who was unguarded since he was the original inbounder late in the game.

I think we'll get called for that someday.

If we get called for that it'll be because refs don't know the rules. If the inbound play takes place after a made shot, so the inbounder can run the baseline, it is perfectly legal for him to pass to another inbounder and then pass to the original inbounder. Not many teams do it, but it is legal, and is a good way to get past a press.

 

[TU_BLA]

The foul situation hasn't seemed that bad. I was pleading for first half fouls when we played WSU.

Speaking of rules, did anyone notice the inbounds play we got away with? It was the second time I've seen us do it (once last season) where Ray grabs the ball for inbounds, runs the baseline, then tosses the ball back to Curtis like he was the guy who was supposed to pass the ball in. Curtis then immediately passed the ball to Ray who was unguarded since he was the original inbounder late in the game.

I think we'll get called for that someday.

That is perfectly legal after a made basket. It's the other inbounds situations where you cannot do that.

 

[TU_BLA]

If we get called for that it'll be because refs don't know the rules. If the inbound play takes place after a made shot, so the inbounder can run the baseline, it is perfectly legal for him to pass to another inbounder and then pass to the original inbounder. Not many teams do it, but it is legal, and is a good way to get past a press.

Better yet, if a defender reaches over the baseline trying to defend that pass and hits the ball while it is OB, it is a technical foul.

 

[ctt8410]

I fear it will just turn into the NBA. Run and gun where defense is mostly illegal.

- Lower the shot clock to limit set plays and strategy.
- Widen the "no defense" zone under the basket.
- Call more fouls on defenders.
- Limit timeouts (I like the media timeout and the buzzer ball is in play rules).

Of course scoring is up. Defense is down by rule and the offense is required by rule to shoot faster. From what I have seen, the rules are OK. But I fear this is the start of a trend towards NBA rules, and the NBA is barely considered basketball anymore in my book.

Fair enough. I don't watch much NBA these days outside of the odd Blazers game here and there, but IMO college basketball the past 10 years was moving in the direction of football. Too many stoppages. Too many set plays. Too much overcoaching. Games this year have felt more like a good soccer game. Free flowing. Driven by good point guards. And less herky jerky.

But to each his own.

 

[Tulsa_]

Fair enough. I don't watch much NBA these days outside of the odd Blazers game here and there, but IMO college basketball the past 10 years was moving in the direction of football. Too many stoppages. Too many set plays. Too much overcoaching. Games this year have felt more like a good soccer game. Free flowing. Driven by good point guards. And less herky jerky.

But to each his own.

And it's fun to watch when you are winning....

 

[astonmartin708]

If we get called for that it'll be because refs don't know the rules. If the inbound play takes place after a made shot, so the inbounder can run the baseline, it is perfectly legal for him to pass to another inbounder and then pass to the original inbounder. Not many teams do it, but it is legal, and is a good way to get past a press.

Honestly, never knew this. It seems cheap to me.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more teams utilizing a slow down press.

 

[drboobay]

Fouls were epidemic in the Ohio game. But we still saw plenty of points and it was fun to watch.

 

[TU_BLA]

Speaking of rule changes, I went to the ORU/TU women's game last night. Women's basketball has 4 10-minute quarters now with and NBA like foul limit before you are shooting. Not sure I like it. Game did seem to move along just a bit quicker. I am getting the feeling that the women's game is a test run for the men's game (WBB has had the 30 second shot clock long before MBB adopted it this season).

 

[cmullinsTU]

Speaking of rule changes, I went to the ORU/TU women's game last night. Women's basketball has 4 10-minute quarters now with and NBA like foul limit before you are shooting. Not sure I like it. Game did seem to move along just a bit quicker. I am getting the feeling that the women's game is a test run for the men's game (WBB has had the 30 second shot clock long before MBB adopted it this season).

I've heard on a few different sports talk shows that the WBB rule change is a test run for making the change to MBB. There's a push to make the game quarters across all levels of the sport.

 

[I.I.]

The elimination of the closely guarded 5 second rule is good too. Too much subjective work on the officials. And now a good dribbler can run out the shot clock if not doubled toward the end of the game.

 

[cmullinsTU]

The elimination of the closely guarded 5 second rule is good too. Too much subjective work on the officials. And now a good dribbler can run out the shot clock if not doubled toward the end of the game.

Agreed I'm liking that rule change. I was worried it would lead to a lot of ISO situations like you see all the time in the NBA. So far, at least in the Tulsa games, there's been very little of that.