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All good.
Who cares?
This is the way of the world. With our new increased in basketball NIL we can bring in new better players hopefully.
Would like to have had Archie and Barnes next season.
We've lost more than 60% of the scoring from a 20 loss team. Konkol needs to recruit 6 of the top 7 players for next year. Gonna be a long one.
Lose lose situation.
Current level of players got us 13 wins against a (very) weak schedule. It’s a gamble, at best, to think they’d improve enough to get us where we want next season.
Recruiting high level (experienced) players, especially legit bigs and pgs, is harder than ever because of how much they cost. So we’re going to have to strike gold or someone is going to have to recruit differently for us to bring in the type of players we need.
Next year seems like a lame duck year regardless of what we do/don’t do this off-season.
Current level of players got us 13 wins against a (very) weak schedule. It’s a gamble, at best, to think they’d improve enough to get us where we want next season.
Recruiting high level (experienced) players, especially legit bigs and pgs, is harder than ever because of how much they cost. So we’re going to have to strike gold or someone is going to have to recruit differently for us to bring in the type of players we need.
Next year seems like a lame duck year regardless of what we do/don’t do this off-season.
Can't disagree much.
The only thing that seems like a potential positive is while it usually is hard to recruit for a staff who seems to be "lame duck", it may not matter anymore with NIL as more money can pull in kids who usually are 1-year players anyway.
Sure, these guys wouldn't get minutes on a decent 20 win AAC team so if that's the goal you think is realistic and that Konkol can replace basically the top 8 to get us to 20 wins, then this isn't a loss. But I think 15 wins is about our ceiling and these guys could contribute to that goal. I could see weakness in the 5-8 guys moving us to more of a 12 win team without these guys.
and that’s why none of this really matters at the end of the day. With a ceiling like that, there isn’t anything meaningful that will come from the program without major changes (coaching strategy, recruiting strategy, available payroll increase, etc).
I get that it’s a tough nut to crack, but others are doing it with roughly the same resources as us with much better outcomes (look no further than the mountain west).
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I do think our NIL now...meaning starting in July from what I hear...will be near the top of the conference for our major sports. I think THAT is going to be pay big dividends on that front. From what I've been told...a certain GM of a professional team nearby has been playing the role of a consultant to our AD and athletic department.
I doubt these kids care much about the ole lame duck status. College basketball players go year to year now and are guided by the highest bidder.
You’re right, they do.
But would they come play on a team that has very little chance of a meaningful season for $$$? Even if TU is increasing what they’re paying, is collecting six figures and winning 10-15 games going to get them where they want to be the following year?
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Link that post, because II hasn't posted that as far as I know. He posted the 6/5 players who aren't in the portal in response to me saying we have 5 NOT in the portal. I think you need to reread where you saw that, and read my post that it was responding to. I believe you have it confused.
He should have stayed and earned a degree. Worth more than the little money he might get.
I imagine he was encouraged by the staff. I have a feeling there was a meeting that included ultimatums between Moore and Konkol. They may have been subtle, but not so subtle that Konkol didn't get them.
Well, when I see someone worth being positive about, I will cheerlead for them all day long!
Not to this point. Need to replace just about everybody....Arkansas replaced all 13 and is still playing in the Sweet Sixteen. (They did have 5M in NIL from Tyson and Wal-Mart.
And Calipari.Not to this point. Need to replace just about everybody....Arkansas replaced all 13 and is still playing in the Sweet Sixteen. (They did have 5M in NIL from Tyson and Wal-Mart.
He gets 5M a year for 5 years too. We just need a Tyson and a Wal-Mart here. Just don't see it happening.
I will miss Archie an average player but who had spectacular moments
This is why it’s so hard to continue to be a fan in the NIL era . However, if TU intends to stay in the American conference, it’s imperative that Konkol or the next coach have the funds to recruit.
I’ve heard from many people who say that they no longer care about collegiate sports due to the NIL and transfer rules. I would be happy to walk away myself, but I have too many years invested in the program.
This is why it’s so hard to continue to be a fan in the NIL era . However, if TU intends to stay in the American conference, it’s imperative that Konkol or the next coach have the funds to recruit.
I’ve heard from many people who say that they no longer care about collegiate sports due to the NIL and transfer rules. I would be happy to walk away myself, but I have too many years invested in the program.
I agree with the money but Konkel has serious deficiencies in his ability to coach. The tournament shows what a coach can do even if the NIL is less than the other program. We just have another coach that is unable to get out of his own way and change.
Big picture, I agree 1000%, but little picture, it's a lot less painful to watch a team win 15/16 games than 11/12. Next year is a throwaway year that we just have to endure until we get a new coach, so might as well make it as painless as we can.
Do you think they really care about nothing but $$? I've seen so many examples in life of people taking less money than they could otherwise to be in a situation they value. And kids today care a lot less about $$ than prior generations. I'm not saying you can be competitive with $0 but I bet there are a fair number of guys out there who value other things in addition to $$ if the $$ is close.
Haggerty said the biggest difference bn this year and last year was the winning. The $$ is the reason he left but maybe not the only reason.
Haggerty is absolutely full of it. He left BECAUSE of money, fact.
I’m not sure how much perspective a 19 year old kid who probably grew up poor has when it comes to the obscene amounts of money being thrown at them. I believe many view the amount of the check as a sign of respect. I also assume the amount you’re getting paid is a thing among your piers. To be fair, a lot of these guys will never earn $800k a year again in their lifetime. There’s is an argument for taking the payday. Especially if it comes with a chance to win conference titles and play in the NCAA
I guess this doesn't align with many of the kids I know through my kids but they aren't d1 BB or FB players, many of the kids I know are less jaded or focused on $$ than we older people are, to the extent they lack perspective, it's more that they undervalue $$ in my opinion, they're kind of fatalistic about it. What is certainly true is that different people will view these questions differently and we should hopefully know which might be able to focus on things other than $$.
I think the key is for sure you have to be in the ballpark. Virtually nobody will take $0 over $800k (not looking at you, Ivy League players) but I'm certain that some would take $700k over $800k if other factors aligned for them.
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