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[mcane]

Up to 35
A 10 teams lose
MoSt wins
Still think 2-1 required to get off bubble
so Memphis is close to a must W
Totally conflicted about SMU-MEM tomorrow
An SMU loss gives TU a shot at an
outright title but might give MEM momentum

 

[Weatherdemon]

I think it is a must win with all of the reasoning being put forth for TU to not get in.

Agree on the SMU/MU game...

 

[youngblood223]

Originally posted by Weatherdemon:
I think it is a must win with all of the reasoning being put forth for TU to not get in.

Agree on the SMU/MU game...

I never like labeling a game a "must win". Too much pressure... I think Haith mentioned something similar to that line of thinking in his pregame presser. What we need is a 2-1 close. But I think a 1-2 close and trip to finals may yet be good enough. Fingers are crossed. We played like a Sweet 16 team tonight.

 

[TUBballJunkie]

Totally agree on the SMU Memphis outcome.

Is Saturday last home game? Probably be jacked either way...
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[ba11game]

Saturday's game is in Memphis. Last home game is Cincinnati Wednesday.

I am definitely rooting for Memphis tommorrow. They win and a 2-1 finish gets us at least a tie with SMU in the standings.

If we go 2-1, which loss gives us the best chance to get an at-large bid? I think it is Memphis, because I think wins over Cinci and SMU help more than a loss to Memphis hurts. Even more so if Memphis beats SMU because that would make us outright regular season champs.

 

[texcane1982]

Memphis is a very undisciplned team with an arrogrant head coach. IMO if Memphis beats SMU, they will likely strut into saturday's game with a false sense of confidence/arrogance.

The big advantage TU had over Memphis last time was composure.


TX

 

[Gold*]

It will be a lot easier to win at Memphis than SMU.

 

[bigzit]

The guys are playing well. They appear healthy (no flu) and focused.

The defensive half court and disruption is so much better now and the half court offense against the zone is a 180 from where we started.

Just play the games.... see what happens. It will be fun!

 

[Weatherdemon]

Originally posted by Gold*:
It will be a lot easier to win at Memphis than SMU.

Yep.
Memphis is 79 in the RPI, SMU is 20.

Losing at SMU won't hurt us too bad.
Losing at Memphis will. Remember, the pundits are looking for any reason to keep TU out.

A win at Memphis pushes us into the top 30.

 

[Gold*]

But in the bspi, Tulsa is 956 and Memphis is lol and SMU is Larry Brown gits ratingz. Cinci and Temple used to be good so they get lots of love in bspi.

 

[TU_BLA]

Originally posted by texcane1982:
Memphis is a very undisciplned team with an arrogrant head coach. IMO if Memphis beats SMU, they will likely strut into saturday's game with a false sense of confidence/arrogance.

The big advantage TU had over Memphis last time was composure.


TX

BINGO!

 

[TU_BLA]

We need Temple to win out. We need OU and OSU to win a lot. We need Wichita St to beat UNI. We need ORU to win. We need Auburn to knock off a good team in the SEC.

WE NEED TO WIN

 

[Weatherdemon]

Originally posted by Gold*:
But in the bspi, Tulsa is 956 and Memphis is lol and SMU is Larry Brown gits ratingz. Cinci and Temple used to be good so they get lots of love in bspi.

LOL, NS!

 

[TUBballJunkie]

Originally posted by texcane1982:
The big advantage TU had over Memphis last time was composure.

Very true.

Go Tigers!

 

[TUBballJunkie]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant is Saturday Memphis' last home game, ie senior night?

 

[Gold*]

Does Memphis have any seniors other than Godfrey? But yes, it's their final home game until NIT or CBI.

 

[mcane]

up one to 34, likely due to ORU's upset of ND State. ORU is up to 162. Would be welcome gift from our rivals to move into the top 150 to make that loss less harmful.

 

[drboobay]

I don't think our final RPI matters too much if we stay in the top 40. It is more about getting a couple more good wins. It also helps if oru crawls into the too 150, but in a way that makes our d2 loss more visible as our main blemish.
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[TU_BLA]

ORU should have beaten SDSU in the Mabee Center too. I went to that game and ORU looked pretty good in the first half and then stopped rebounding and playing perimeter defense in the 2nd half...and they also had a ton of turnovers. ORU loses a lot of games like that.

BTW, Emegano is just a straight up player. How so many teams missed out on him is beyond me. Think...Emegano, Juice, and Jordan Woodard all played at Edmond Memorial together AND THEY STILL LOST THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP Juice's SR year.

ORU continuing to win helps us. But TU just winning is the biggest help. Beat Memphis and beat Cincinnati and you are looking at a 1 game winner take all March 8th. Time to make SMU our b*tches again.

 

[Tu Geo]

Tulsa ranked #30.

GO TU!!!!

 

[mcane]

30
Now lunardi last in
Message not a P5 subtract 4 seeds

 

[Tu Geo]

nm
This post was edited on 2/28 11:39 PM by Tu Geo

 

[bigzit]

Why do rpi systems vary? If it is a formula, then why are there varying results?

 

[TU_BLA]

Zit, it's because they use different measurable a as part of the formula. Some put an emphasis on margin of victory, some don't. Some give more credit for road wins and even more credit for out of conference road wins. Some weigh the OOC SOS slightly more because that's what teams control versus the conference schedule. ESPNs BPI weighs conference and OOC equally which is why it favors P5s and it also gives extra credit for blowing someone out which is how teams like TCU build things up by crushing OOC cupcakes. Now most of the RPI systems try to mirror what the NCAA is going to do so they have stat guys crunching numbers and developing formulas they think that RPI system uses but in reality they are just guessing. It's like the golf handicap system...bunch of knockoff sites using what they think is the formula but you can't use that HDCP to enter a tournament that calls for a USGA HDCP (certified).
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[bigzit]

Latest RPI Forecast
March 1, 2015

Tulsa

Conference: Amer
Expected RPI: 33.2
Current RPI: 30
Expected SOS: 89
Current SOS: 100
Current Record: 21-6
Expected Record: 22-7
Current Conf Record: 14-2
Expected Conf Record: 15-3

 

[ctt8410]

Originally posted by TU_BLA:
Now most of the RPI systems try to mirror what the NCAA is going to do so they have stat guys crunching numbers and developing formulas they think that RPI system uses but in reality they are just guessing.

I think you're confused. We know the exact RPI formula and the NCAA releases rankings periodically on their website.

 

[Tu Geo]

Originally posted by bigzit:
Latest RPI Forecast
March 1, 2015

Tulsa

Conference: Amer
Expected RPI: 33.2
Current RPI: 30
Expected SOS: 89
Current SOS: 100
Current Record: 21-6
Expected Record: 22-7
Current Conf Record: 14-2
Expected Conf Record: 15-3

It assumes we beat Cincy and lose to SMU. That is fair. I guess one could assume that if we beat both we will probably project a top 30 RPI.

And of course a Conf. Championship.

GO TU!!!!

 

[Gold*]

Lol

This post was edited on 3/1 10:46 AM by Gold*

Link

 

[cmullinsTU]

If you see an RPI online it SHOULD be using the formula that's freely available on the Wiki page below. A few reasons unofficial RPIs will differ from NCAA:

1. They have included most recent games and the NCAA hasn't been updated to include them
2. NCAA OR the unofficial RPI you're viewing have games listed as neutral or home/away incorrectly. It doesn't take many games in this scenario to impact multiple teams rankings.

Ctt can likely think of other reasons these are just the first two that came to mind.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index
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[cmullinsTU]

Also, RPI forecast is using computer simulations to predict remaining games for all teams. One thing to note though the predicted RPI doesn't mean they're predicting us to be 33.2. They take the predicted number and rank all teams by it. According to RPI forecast they have is going 1-1 in remaining games and the 33.2 would give us an RPI of 29.
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[TUBballJunkie]

Ya I'd assume differences are coming mostly all from timing issues.

 

[I.I.]

As much as we have had complaints with Palm, his RPI is exactly the one that will be in front of the selection committee. He has even given input to the NCAA and helped them make minor corrections to the official RPI when a location has been inputed as a "home" game when it was actually a neutral site . His independent site and contract was bought out by CBS and located there now.

 

[Tu Geo]

Originally posted by ctt8410:

Originally posted by TU_BLA:
Now most of the RPI systems try to mirror what the NCAA is going to do so they have stat guys crunching numbers and developing formulas they think that RPI system uses but in reality they are just guessing.

I think you're confused. We know the exact RPI formula and the NCAA releases rankings periodically on their website.

Ctt: What do you think is the issue with the ESPN RPI ranking? Tulsa has been approx. 4 to 5 places low lately. Also do you know what SMU's final RPI rating last year when they got left out?

Thanks in advance.

GO TU!!!



This post was edited on 3/1 1:15 PM by Tu Geo

 

[ctt8410]

SMU finished 54th in the RPI last year. They were 23-9 and 4-6 against RPI top 50. Here's the money quote from the committee chair:

"SMU had an outstanding résumé but their non-conference strength of schedule was in the 300s, which is not very good obviously," Wellman said. "Their overall strength of schedule was 129. The next lowest strength of schedule in the field is 91, so there was quite a bit of difference between their strength of schedule and the other teams in the field."

 

[TUBballJunkie]

Our overall SOS is around 100 now? And will only get better through end of reg season.

 

[Tu Geo]

Originally posted by ctt8410:
SMU finished 54th in the RPI last year. They were 23-9 and 4-6 against RPI top 50. Here's the money quote from the committee chair:

"SMU had an outstanding résumé but their non-conference strength of schedule was in the 300s, which is not very good obviously," Wellman said. "Their overall strength of schedule was 129. The next lowest strength of schedule in the field is 91, so there was quite a bit of difference between their strength of schedule and the other teams in the field."

Thanks Ctt, wow I didn't realize their RPI was that low.

GO TU!!!

 

[ctt8410]

Yeah, we're at 100 now. Should finish in the high-80s/low-90s.

 

[TU_BLA]

But our RPI is much better currently than they finished at. They can blame a loss to bottom dwelling Houston in the AAC tournament for that.
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