Tulsa wins out regular season with wins over cincy memphis usf ucf and temple. 21 and 9 regular season.
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LEAGUE RECORD 13-5.
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LEAGUE RECORD 13-5.LATEST PREDICTION (I HAVE NOT MISSED ALL YEAR)
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Tulsa wins out regular season with wins over cincy memphis usf ucf and temple. 21 and 9 regular season.
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If that happens and we win 2 in the AAC Tourney, we're in. IMO
I hope for Cincinnati's sake your wrongTulsa wins out regular season with wins over cincy memphis usf ucf and temple. 21 and 9 regular season.
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I'm inclined to agree with most of ya'll. I think any team who thinks they can come to our gym and have an easy win is delusional. Beat Temple, Cincy and hold serve against the Florida schools and we will look good to the committee. If we get a favorable seed in the tourney in Florida and play decent, we'll be on the at large bubble. But the kids have to play hard and smart and hit those FTs.
JOHN KLEIN SAID THERE ARE NO BIG WINS AVAILABLE LEFT ON THE SCHEDULE AFTER LOSING TO UCCON AND beating Temple. Memphis and Cincy would mean nothing even if we won out at this time, NIT ONLY IS THE BEST WE COULD DO
John Klein is about as wishy washy as they come. His favorite follow up words to statements are; but, however, maybe, could and we'll see.
AS I SAID TULSA BEATS TEMPLE USF AND MEMPHIS TO GO 13-5 conference co champion as HOUSTON BEATS TEMPLE TONIGHT OVERALL 21-9 before tourney. I DONT MISS IN MY PREDICTIONS.
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Houston is still in the top 100 at 95. Temple still is way out of at large consideration due to bad losses and zero good OOC wins.
Wheatshockers still in top 50. Ohio in top 80.
Temple faces the fate TU had last year. A good finish in the league won't offset terrible OOC and in conference losses.
Win on Tuesday and all of this angst about Temple is MOOT.
Wheatshockers still in top 50. Ohio in top 80.
Temple faces the fate TU had last year. A good finish in the league won't offset terrible OOC and in conference losses.
Win on Tuesday and all of this angst about Temple is MOOT.
Its Klein. I still think AAC gets 3 for sure and if automatic championships fall inline they will take 4 AAC teams. Many of the bubble teams floated still have several loses left.
How can Lunardi have Temple, Cincy, UConn, Gonzaga, St Marys, Michigan, Alabama, Butler, etc in and us out? Our RPI is better than all. Our SOS is better than most. Some of these teams have worse top 1-25, 26-50 and 51-100 records than us. Many have more bad losses.
Lunardi can't be looking at the RPI and each teams resume and SOS. Or he is and he still ignores us. If that's the case, then what he and the NCAA committee uses to award bids is not what they tell us.
Lunardi can't be looking at the RPI and each teams resume and SOS. Or he is and he still ignores us. If that's the case, then what he and the NCAA committee uses to award bids is not what they tell us.
I'll give it a shot related to AAC teams. He likely has Temple in as the auto bid because they lead the conference. UConn and Cincy are top 30 In the Sagarin.
We go through this every year on this board as posters only consider RPI when it constitutes one of four or so indexes considered by the committee. Some years the selections closely reflect the RPI while other years the Sagarin is the more accurate predictor. Point being...don't over rely on any one index when assessing our chances.
We go through this every year on this board as posters only consider RPI when it constitutes one of four or so indexes considered by the committee. Some years the selections closely reflect the RPI while other years the Sagarin is the more accurate predictor. Point being...don't over rely on any one index when assessing our chances.
The RPI is the major determinant in getting a team into the NCAA Tournament. The NCAA committee places an incredible emphasis on this measure, making it probably the single most important parameter to every NCAA team. Beyond that, the RPI is a valid measure of team strength, and therefore it is appropriate to seed teams according to their RPI rank.
The Facts
I posted the current criteria used by the committee last season on the board. It clearly states the indexes which are included in each committee's member packet and further details that all indexes are considered in the selection process. This is a relatively new development in the process. Can't post on my phone but I would be happy to repost the criteria used if posters would like.
I assure you that those who have UConn and Cincy ahead of Tulsa are using indexes and criteria other than the RPI.
I assure you that those who have UConn and Cincy ahead of Tulsa are using indexes and criteria other than the RPI.
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The reasoning shifts each year to reflect the best on teams they prefer. One year it might be SOS, the next it is bad losses, the next it may be the record against 1-50, and the next year it might be how they performed in the last 10 games, and the next year the "eye" test, and the next the RPI. They can toss you out or include you in various ways.
i found it interesting that the committee almost immediately included the BPI in its packet and consideration process while excluding other systems based on the lack of experience or age of those indexes. ESPN showing its power.
Pretty obvious why the committee shifted to multiple indexes. They got tired of being called out on excluding mid-majors with high RPIs and wanted more flexibility in the decision criteria and process.
Pretty obvious why the committee shifted to multiple indexes. They got tired of being called out on excluding mid-majors with high RPIs and wanted more flexibility in the decision criteria and process.
Remember that one time a poster claimed someone had personally sent him an electronic copy of the spring game hours after it had occurred and that David Johnson was going to start over Paul Smith?
Sagarin is the worst because it measures margin of victory. TU suffers there - around 54- because TU has not routed teams and let the pedal off in 20 plus leads.
A win tonight should push TU to the right side of the bubble and Temple off. This year unlike the last, TU has a top 25 road win (SMU) and a nonconference top 50 win (WSU). But, no margin for error.
A win tonight should push TU to the right side of the bubble and Temple off. This year unlike the last, TU has a top 25 road win (SMU) and a nonconference top 50 win (WSU). But, no margin for error.
From the mock selection process, we know the committee is allowed to look at all of these indices, but there's still significantly more emphasis on RPI over others. There's a couple reasons for this:
1) It's a simple formula that's easy to understand and easy to calculate. I love Ken Pomeroy's rankings, but those things pop out of a black box with no way for anyone else to audit them. This caused an issue with Sagarin's rankings a few years ago when they were included in the BCS. He made a huge error in his numbers and it wasn't caught for several weeks. As for BPI, we can't even trust ESPN to get RPI correct, so why would anyone trust their intern in charge of inputting data for a proprietary metric?
2) It doesn't include margin of victory. In all their false morality, the NCAA hates rewarding teams for running up the score.
Temple got a break by not having to play at SMU. Although they did handle UConn and Cincy but lost to E Car and lost every game to top teams in OOC.
Sagarin currently has 11 non P5 schools in its top 40 while the RPI has 10 fwiw.
TU by 9 and it won't be that close.
Oh wise and learned Libertychamp, your Temple vs. Houston prediction was incorrect. Why have you forsaken us!?!?
We seek reassurance in your prophesy for tonight's bountiful victory against the foes of a most unsacred temple! We assure you that we have cast out any temptations by the dark one; the Woj of evil. Bless us with your presence and your renewed benevolence.
In Nolan's name we pray.
Ahmen.
We seek reassurance in your prophesy for tonight's bountiful victory against the foes of a most unsacred temple! We assure you that we have cast out any temptations by the dark one; the Woj of evil. Bless us with your presence and your renewed benevolence.
In Nolan's name we pray.
Ahmen.
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