Johnathan Williams III

[cbonham]

Any chance for a player/coach reunion?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25129715/sophomore-johnathan-williams-iii-considering-a-transfer-from-mizzou

 

[Gold*]

That would be cool, but what about Tenn or Wake?

 

[Bill Lowery]

He was recruited by Tim Fuller, so if Haith adds Fuller as an assistant then Williams likely would follow. Williams would be great but we still need to add a big this year.

 

[TUMU]

Would be a great addition to the 2016 team if he transfers to Tulsa. He's a solid shooter. Had very little talent around him last season.






Sophomore forward Johnathan Williams III is contemplating transferring from Missouri, according to multiple reports.

Gary Parrish of CBS Sports was the first to report that Williams, who was the Tigers' leading scorer and rebounder last season, was considering a transfer.





Within minutes of Parrish's report, NBC Sports reported that Williams, who also led Missouri in rebounding as a freshman, would transfer.






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It's unclear if Williams has made a decision, and a spokesman for the Tigers' basketball team declined comment.

Williams, a Memphis native who was ranked by Rivals as the No. 42 player overall in the class of 2013, averaged 11.9 points and 7.1 rebounds last season.

He also tied for the team lead with freshman Jakeenan Gant and junior Ryan Rosburg with an average of 0.6 blocks.

In SEC play, Williams' scoring production dipped to 10.9 points per game.

Williams originally signed with Missouri under Frank Haith, who left for Tulsa last April and was replaced by Kim Anderson, and was recruited by former associate head coach Tim Fuller, who was let go last week.







Williams, who was thrust into a leadership role - uncomfortably at times - as the most experienced player on MU's roster, expanded his game in the first season under Anderson.

He averaged 6.5 rebounds as a freshman, a mark that climbed substantially, and only attempted 11 three-pointers, but went 22 of 64 from long distance last season as he became more of a stretch four than a true post player.

Missouri went 9-23 last season, setting a record for the most losses in program history and enduring a school-record 13-game losing streak.



To reach Tod Palmer, call @todpalmer.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article16977053.html#storylink=cpy

 

[astonmartin708]

I'm not sure if the team can afford to bring in a transfer for 2016 that's not going to be able to contribute next season. We really need all the help we can get next season with the drastic improvement in the AAC and a challenging non-conference.

 

[I.I.]

We will not turn down a four star big in any season.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[Weatherdemon]

Originally posted by I.I.:
We will not turn down a four star big in any season.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Godo lord, no kidding!
Especially with what our needs will be 16-17.

 

[TU_BLA]

We can absolutely afford to sit a kid out next year. Yes, we do need a big to come in and contribute immediately, but there is long term 2016 and beyond needs as well that can be addressed.

 

[astonmartin708]

I'm just saying I'd rather have a talented big out of JUCO and a highly rated 2015 recruit if we could get one.

 

[jesterondirt]

While I admit I haven't read any of the linked articles, I would assume Tulsa would be blacklisted as an option if granted a release?

 

[texcane1982]

Originally posted by astonmartin708:
I'm just saying I'd rather have a talented big out of JUCO and a highly rated 2015 recruit if we could get one.

You create another 2015 scholly, simple as that. I would imagine the most likely candidate to not get his scholly renewed is Big E.


TX

 

[TU_BLA]

That'd be tough to fly for Mizzou to do that. TU doesn't play Mizzou and we're not in the SEC. They don't have anything to gain by keeping him from coming here if he wants to.

 

[lawpoke87]

No tougher than the restrictions we place on Clarkson. We eventually caved to Mizzou but that wasn't our initial position.

 

[astonmartin708]

Originally posted by texcane1982:
You create another 2015 scholly, simple as that. I would imagine the most likely candidate to not get his scholly renewed is Big E.


TX

I'm thinking we have created all the scholarships we are going to. In his news interview the other day Haith said that they just got done having individual post-season interviews with the players last week. That was also when we found out Reps & LJ were not returning. If Big E was not to come back next season, we would have probably heard about it at the same time as the others.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Once the team needs another scholarship, ie we get Williams, but need another big to be eligible next year, that's when the player finds out he doesn't have a scholarship next year.

 

[texcane1982]

Originally posted by astonmartin708:

Originally posted by texcane1982:
You create another 2015 scholly, simple as that. I would imagine the most likely candidate to not get his scholly renewed is Big E.


TX

I'm thinking we have created all the scholarships we are going to. In his news interview the other day Haith said that they just got done having individual post-season interviews with the players last week. That was also when we found out Reps & LJ were not returning. If Big E was not to come back next season, we would have probably heard about it at the same time as the others.

Those players informed Coach Haith they would not be returning, I was referring to Coach Haith informing a player he should pursue other opportunities (aka - scholly not renewed) *** This scenario is always dependent upon opportunities to upograde the roster ***

In Big E's case that would be another tough break, but his issue of eligibility is not Coach Haith's problem. I'm sure a number D2 or NAIA schools would gladly take him for 1 year. The NAIA is a bit renegade and not under NCAA by-laws, who knows how much eligibility Big E would have under their by-laws?


TX







This post was edited on 4/1 12:19 AM by texcane1982

 

[TU_BLA]

Originally posted by lawpoke87:
No tougher than the restrictions we place on Clarkson. We eventually caved to Mizzou but that wasn't our initial position.

I don't know about Williams' individual situation, but I think the Clarkson situation came down to the athletic dept. feeling he was being tampered with from the outside with an idea of a runner who may/may not be compensated by particular schools. The NBA is different in that they will find talent that is out there no matter where it is...NFL scouts can be lazy at times. A few teams do a really really good job of scouting smaller schools and finding gems (Patriots, Malcolm Butler for one). But the NBA does a really great job of scouring the planet for talent. Clarkson would be in the NBA whether or not he transferred to Mizzou or stayed at TU.

 

[TUBballJunkie]

If Tim Fuller lands here, absolutely Mizzou has a little ammunition to disallow TU.

 

[lawpoke87]

TU_BLA posted on 4/1/2015...

Originally posted by lawpoke87:
No tougher than the restrictions we place on Clarkson. We eventually caved to Mizzou but that wasn't our initial position.

I don't know about Williams' individual situation, but I think the Clarkson situation came down to the athletic dept. feeling he was being tampered with from the outside with an idea of a runner who may/may not be compensated by particular schools.
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We felt that 6 of the 9 schools on his list including every school near his home was involved in tampering (including Rick Barnes)? OK.

My guess would be that Mizzou would look very closely at a current player transferring to a school where it's former coach is now employed. Houston blocked Thomas from coming to OSU due to the employment of Dickey. On the positive side Mizzou and TU did finally get together and Clarkson's transfer was approved. So there is a history of the two schools working together regarding this type of situation.

 

[TU_BLA]

Originally posted by TUBballJunkie:
If Tim Fuller lands here, absolutely Mizzou has a little ammunition to disallow TU.

Is that a rumor right now? The question is why is Missouri so eager to get rid of him or is it just that Anderson wants to bring his own guy in now?

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I thought his leaving was his decision, not that he was being pushed out.

 

[TU Sepp]

If Big E goes the NAIA route I think he has 3 years left.

I think he will only loose his redshirt and this year.

 

[TU_BLA]

Originally posted by Gmoney4WW:
I thought his leaving was his decision, not that he was being pushed out.

What I read was that Mizzou was buying him out at $52k PLUS the equivalent of something like 272 hours for another $42k plus they will buy back any unused personal time (vacation + sick). Last official day is April 8th AFTER MIzzou pays for his trip to the NABC at the Final Four this weekend. The report called it a buyout. It may be mutual but a buyout certainly sounds like "Here's the door"

This post was edited on 4/1 2:38 PM by TU_BLA

 

[Gold*]

Originally posted by TU_BLA:

Originally posted by TUBballJunkie:
If Tim Fuller lands here, absolutely Mizzou has a little ammunition to disallow TU.

Is that a rumor right now? The question is why is Missouri so eager to get rid of him or is it just that Anderson wants to bring his own guy in now?

Dude, case in point. Can you review your posts before you hit submit for the rest of us? There is absuty no suggestion that this was anything but voluntary.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I was referring to Wiiliams not Fuller. So I should hope they aren't paying him to leave.


This post was edited on 4/1 2:52 PM by Gmoney4WW

 

[TUBballJunkie]

It just sounds like a mutual parting of ways. I don't think an assistant up and walks away from a $325k salary without a new job lined up. And there's no reason for him to negotiate less than 30% of what he was owed contractually if Mizzou was pushing him out.

If I'm Fuller, I regret staying behind at Mizzou.

 

[TU_BLA]

Originally posted by Gold*:

Originally posted by TU_BLA:

Originally posted by TUBballJunkie:
If Tim Fuller lands here, absolutely Mizzou has a little ammunition to disallow TU.

Is that a rumor right now? The question is why is Missouri so eager to get rid of him or is it just that Anderson wants to bring his own guy in now?

Dude, case in point. Can you review your posts before you hit submit for the rest of us? There is absuty no suggestion that this was anything but voluntary.

Referring to Fuller. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article17041187.html

The question was the reason for Fuller leaving and maybe it was agreed upon when Anderson was hired that Fuller would just be a 1 year transitional piece on the staff.

 

[Gold*]

 

[lawpoke87]

Mizzou has agreed to pay Fuller $100k for his buyout related to him leaving that school. He's one of the best recruiters in the country and would be a great addition to our staff imo.

 

[texcane1982]

Originally posted by TU Sepp:

If Big E goes the NAIA route I think he has 3 years left.

I think he will only loose his redshirt and this year.

That's interesting, with the NAIA being an entirely different governing body, what measuring stick do they use to determine true eligibility? Age, date of HS graduation?

I assume If Big E has already used his D-I red-shirt, he would not have enough eligibility to transfer to another D1 school, unless he has already graduated from TU?

As for D2 eligibility, he should d have 1 season of eligibility remaining.


TX

 

[TU Sepp]

Big E has redshirted 1 year and played 1 year...

Thus giving him 3 years of playing time.

I think this how NAIA operates.

 

[texcane1982]

Originally posted by TU Sepp:

Big E has redshirted 1 year and played 1 year...

Thus giving him 3 years of playing time.

I think this how NAIA operates.

It sounds as though whatever caused Big E to lose 2 years of eligibility overnight, is not a concern with NAIA.


TX

 

[Mizzou#1]

FWIW I don't see Mizzou restricting where J3 transfers to. He won't go to an SEC school since he would have to sit out for two years but outside of that I assume everywhere else is fair game. If he decided to transfer to Tulsa you'd be getting a great kid. From a Missouri perspective it's a shame he is leaving. He improved a lot this year compared to his freshman year and I'm sure he will only continue to get better. Could still stand to hit the weight room a bit though.

In regards to Fuller he was well liked in Columbia but I think his leaving has to do with Jakeenan Gant. Gant was suspended for 9 games by the NCAA due to impermissible benefits and Fuller was his lead recruiter. Shortly after Gant's suspension ended Fuller was rarely seen recruiting off campus unless he was with someone else and now he is getting a buyout to leave. I don't think it is to hard to connect the dots. Still he seems like a good guy with a lot of connections and will land on his feet somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is a head coach at some point.

 

[Bill Lowery]

Or, it could be something like this:

News Tribune Sports Commentary
Story by Tom Rackers
Sunday, March 29, 2015
While we've been watching the best of the best play in college basketball, some of the rest are trying to catch up.

The Missouri Tigers are one of the rest.

The process of catching up began last week when in one of the worst kept secrets ever, Tim Fuller and the Missouri basketball program parted ways Thursday.

Fuller came to Missouri to work under Frank Haith in 2011 and remained as one of the few holdovers on the staff when Kim Anderson took over after Haith bolted for Tulsa after the 2013-14 season.

Fuller was key in recruiting incoming freshmen Jakeeenan Gant and D'Angelo Allen, so retaining him on the staff was prudent if for no other reason to have a full roster. And Fuller, who interviewed for the head coaching job at Florida A&M, decided to stick around. A $55,000 bump in salary didn't hurt.

But behind the scenes, whispers began very early in the season that Anderson and Fuller weren't always on the same page. And when the head coach and the associate head coach don't see eye-to-eye, the vision of the team suffers.

As in a final record of 9-23 suffered. As in one of the worst offenses in the history of the Missouri program.

"Our program at Mizzou is grateful for Tim's contributions during his time here," Anderson said in a prepared statement released by the university. "We wish Tim all the best in his future endeavors."

The statement also said Anderson would have no further comment. There's really not much else to say.

It wasn't a shock Fuller and Anderson didn't mesh. Haith and Anderson have different philosophies when it comes to coaching basketball and Anderson's emphasis on defense was a little different than Haith's. And so Fuller really didn't fit in.